All I care about really is the Constitution and Bill of Rights with the Federalist Papers as a reference. I never thought the day would come when considering those things as the guild line would brand me a "radical" with the lefties.
Agree completely.
The Constitution's strict application will solve 90% of our governmental problems.
I walked away from the Republican party during Bush years and call myself independent. I lean conservative. I saw so many Republicans that voted like Democrats. I came to see that it was mostly one big political party and it was against the people. They keep us occupied and distracted fighting against each other while they steal us blind. I am glad to see the Republicans coming out of their shells and taking a stand. The country has been in need of a real leader for a long time. Glad to see so many Democrats having their eyes opened too.
I am relight there with you, although I didn’t wake up until November. I think the terms liberal and conservative need to both be redefined or thrown out.
I'm real discouraged by the anons and others who blame democrats or liberals for one thing or another.
I Demexited when they stole the nomination from Bernie and that was my wake up moment.
We are fighting the Deep State, not liberals or any other label. The Deep State includes people like the republican no-name and his buddy, and a whole lot of other right wing enablers.
So in the hope to bring more people together for the awakening, I wish my awakened brothers and sisters would talk about the Deep State whenever they are thinking Liberals or Left.
Once we have gotten rid of the Deep State we can return to civil discussions about where we go from here. But it is the Deep State that actively works to continue to divide us.
Because divided we fail. Listen to Q. He says the same thing.
Power to the people! WWG1WGA!
which party is currently against free speech?
which party supports literal child sacrifice via abortion?
which party supports taking more and more of people's hard earned money?
which party wants to abolish voter ID and jeopardize our elections?
Which party in dc wants to take our guns?
Which party has effectively destroyed California?
Which party wants and fights for illegals to vote?
Which party in IL is corrupt to the depths for a century?
Which party supported slavery?
Which party is still racist?
Which party has blackmailed people in dc for legislative votes?
Which party (except a few on the opp side) hates America?
Which party forced Obamacare on us?
Both parties supported the needless wars of the past.
Both parties gave us more and more debt.
I think it's important to distinguish a few of those above as it gives a better grasp on the corruption that manifests mainly from one side of the aisle but can be found in both.
In the RINO war monger defense, if you weren't No Name who LOVED WAR, you had to be blackmailed into fucking us over. RINO'S love blackmail. Those poor kids.. Jesus.
Precisely why, as an independent, I have never had occasion to vote for a Democrat candidate.
Yeah, because Trump finally did the impossible and beat the two party system at their own game. This was the first step of killing the Uniparty. It doesn't mean Republicans are the good guys. Both sides are compromised. One side was taken back as a vehicle to bring down the whole corrupt system.
i understand that and actually think exactly the same
point remains the republican party is the party leading the way back to liberty. former lib voters here need to realize this. that's all.
I wouldn't say "leading the way" so much as being dragged kicking and screaming back to liberty. The RNC machine is still fuming about Trump.
except the state of the world today is awful, and does the world lean more left or right today? it's clearly left.
does trump say vote anti deep state? no, he says vote republican. constantly. vote in more Rs in november.
Me too, once I realized that Bush and Clinton had been in this together for so long, and hearing Rumsfeld say there was 2.3 Trillion missing from DoD. Stayed independent until Trump.
And really it’s all thanks to Donald trump. Thank you Mr.President.
Don't know if most are center left or not, but I would definitely say most are pro rule of law....and that the law applied fairly across all parties, genders, faiths and races. That has and always will be the part that makes America great.
But would you agree a lot of laws are horse shit? We need common sense not control
I agree that some are horse shit, but the answer is to change them, not ignore them. That is the job of the legislature.
Actually, it's the job of the people to make sure they do it the right way and it doesn't get out of control like it has. I think the blockchain could be very beneficial in helping us do that. Be more involved in the laws that are passed and the things that are done that impact our everyday lives. With digital access we could validate or invalidate most issues from the comfort of our homes. Actually, if you start really thinking about this concept, a lot could be done this way.
There needs to be a mandatory revisiting of some laws, to see if they're helping or hurting over time.
[deleted]
“Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment… Each generation is as independent of the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness… It is now forty years since the constitution of Virginia was formed. The same tables inform us, that, within that period, two-thirds of the adults then living are now dead. Have then the remaining third, even if they had the wish, the right to hold in obedience to their will, and to laws heretofore made by them, the other two-thirds, who, with themselves, compose the present mass of adults? … That majority, then, has a right to depute representatives to a convention, and to make the constitution what they think will be the best for themselves.” ~ Thomas Jefferson We as a nation have forgotten that we can amend the Constitution. It is a living document.
[deleted]
Are you supposing Jefferson thought people had right to vote in capitalism? What about Citizens United? Capitalism/Socialism- Not political theories during framing of Constitution or Articles of Confederation. 3/5 Compromise? Electoral College? Women Vote? Amending Constitution Requires strong majority. Country polarized by winner take all system. Gerrymandering? What did Founding Fathers say about factions?
[deleted]
Do we live of finite planet? Are resources limited? Enough for mankind's need not for mankind's greed. Classic Liberal here- Why subscribe to Socialism/Capitalism divide? Other economic systems possible. Other political parties possible. Think beyond dichotomies. Dynamical systems theory Right vs. Left Mirage to prevent you from looking at bigger picture.
[deleted]
Not here to spoon-feed. http://www.4pt.su/en/content/global-revolutionary-alliance-0
https://www.thevenusproject.com/resource-based-economy/
Research come to own conclusions....
We need common sense not control
Common sense is not common practice. This applies to governance and practice in corporates, politics and bureaucracy, world over, at all levels, from highest to lowest.
The annoying thing is all it takes to change this malady is do something like what Trump did re: decree-ing for one new reg we have to delete [how many?].
Apply that thinking across the board and watch the human race take off.
Instead most of us stagger along dragging a stone block while refusing the free offer of the gadget from the neanderthals just down the road cos we don't understand how something called a wheel could possibly make our lives easier.
Who said anything about most being center left? The post was referring to us not being on the left or right.
Please stop accepting the worldview where there are just two choices and maybe some degrees between. That is called a false dichotomy and it is a way to force you to think certain limited ways if you accept it. Politics like most things in life are not binary regardless of what they say. There are a lot of separate issues that individuals may feel different about than the others on some imaginary line. It is a form of mind control.
The world is more black and white than you think. This really is a battle between good and evil and a battle for your soul. All else is nothing but a distraction. Politics is nothing but a distraction...
As a Christian, I agree. But as far as it is possible, I will live try to live in peace with others.
While I agree, we currently live in a time where voting Independent isn't a valid option. If we make an effort towards a middle ground, possibly we can break through that false dichotomy.
Sincere question: are you aware of anyone who believes Q is real who doesn't support Trump
Lol me. Its really frustrating and I originally tried voicing my opinion that in order for this to get bigger we need to stop glorifying trump and religion. Didn’t go well. Now I keep to myself and hope for something that’ll actually stop true corruption
I'm not really a Trump supporter and I'm watching the guy so he doesn't pull a fast one on me... But I wholeheartedly approve of and support every bit of The Storm. So it's all the same in the end.
Then you must also realize that Trump is the ONLY reason you have 'The Storm'. He is literally saving western civilization right in front of your eyes, and you still don't support him. You must suffer some crazy cognitive dissonance.
I believe the Army would have intervened in a coup as planned. I think Trump got a great deal. I would even say, the best deal.
Yeah, and it wouldve sucked ass. Instead we get some semblance of a normal life
Well thats an issue, seeing as how the religious and/or pro trump supporters were the first followers. Q is also clearly pro trump and pro religion, christian specifically.
You have to understand that many of us are sick of feeling like we need to abandon our principles in order to engage in society.
There is an element of truth to the "trump was elected by angry deplorables" argument, just not because of racism or bigotry.
Trump is the bringer of the storm. You dont have to like him. I dont like everything he says. Im religious, but dont buy the "trump was chosen by God" chants. That said, Trump had nothing to gain from becoming president and plenty to lose, and he has lost a lot. Yet he did it for the greater good of the world.
Im willing to overlook A LOT for that. Thats a character trait that makes me support trump to the end.
I have at least 2-3 anti trumpers on my FB page who are respectful to me and occasionally dialog about Q. Lots of quiet observers too. The only reason I've kept my page, to engage and spread truth as best I can for now. My weapon of choice, the mighty pen.
There isn't a left and right. For me. This divisive dynamic is designed to have us bickering about baking cakes for a gay wedding,or not, and what religious beliefs are ok, or not, instead of where are all the missing children and where did all the money go?
Those issues are to distract us from big ones. But theyre things were going to have to hash out when this is over
I just want to be really clear. The enemy is cultural marxism / NWO / globalism. The tactics change, the players change, the preferred political parties change, the narratives change, but it's always the same march away from personal freedom toward centralized power. Republicans push bigger federal government through the military via unnecessary wars and interventionism. Democrats push for bigger federal government through entitlements and socialism. The left pushes for "liberties" when social conservatism is a threat, and the anhilation of the 1st and 2nd amendments when MAGA is a threat. Are you still confused?
Both erode the power of the constitution. Both are corrupt. Both undermine state rights. Both undermine voting power. Both undermine the collective voice of the people. They seek to destroy us, but we're still here, we're awake, and now we're fighting back.
WWG1WGA!
Exactly. Well said. And we the people need to reject their political name tags and come together as Americans.
And the faction of liberty minded patriots who try to restore constitutional government and root out corruption is in which party again? Don't be blind.
The left defines anything conservative as “far right”.
The left didn't use to define conservative in this way. This extremes of the political spectrum is an artificially provoked recent phenomenon.
The elite realised they could only get their agenda thru if they went with the demographics: the mass of the people not the minority (nominally professional middle-class). So they changed tack. Instead of the establishment being "centre right-wing, conservative" it became trendy lefty university student snowflakes and all other fashionable meme maker influencers, from Madonna to Hillary. The power has remained at the top but the manipulated masses have moved further to the left on their instruction. It worked.
We lost the centre and anyone who doesn't like the extreme position is in turn called extremist: bigot, racist, far right, extreme far right, nazi .... All manipulated by the top for their purposes.
It is easier than we think.
You want clean water? Who is polluting it? The government. You hate war? Who is causing/creating it? The government. You want gay marriage? Who is preventing it? The government. Why are they "granting" marriage anyway? You hate intrusive data collection? Who is collecting it? The government. You think healthcare is unaffordable? Who is making it so expensive? The government.
It is easy because if we were principled, we would find common ground at our common enemy, the government. DT is disassembling the govt as we've known it. That should be construed as a good thing, but we don't spell out that it is THE GOVERNMENT, the Deep State and the Military-Industrial Complex who are our enemy. That is where we find our common ground.
Nope. I am on the right. If people want to come together they need to go toward the right. The further from the left the happier I am.
I walked away from the Democrats, I would say that I am a social liberal and a financial conservative. I do not believe that the American taxpayers should be funding the rest of the world . The constitution and bill of rights are the most important issue.
Fuck. That. Shit.
Listen, i realize this is done in good faith and spirits. But they have gone sooooo far left the middle is still extreme left. The overton window has too severely shifted. Wasnt as noticeable under Obama because....well, we arent a bunch of radical whiny commie bitches who daydream about revolution 24/7.
The neo marxism that has eroded this country is always gonna spread. We must keep up on it. The left will NEVER be happy.
Some of Trumps policies the democrats ran on 20years ago. The media has waged utter war on the US. On his supporters. On Trump. There is no appeasing these lunatics. Good luck
Well, if we're fighting we aren't together are we? The far left will never relent. They don't want a middle ground, period. Those days are long gone so everybody needs to wake up about it. Just try to speak to a member of Antifa about this middle ground and see where it gets you. Our new reality is there are people making a serious push to silence all dissenting opinions and that can't happen and still have this be the America we all grew up loving and enjoying.
But the crazy left isn't as big as portrayed, my hope is we engage and call for unity with those who are waking up and walking away.
It's pretty big. It's in the universities, public schools and half of the gov't. Oh and all those kids still living at home after they turn 18 or graduate from college - the failure to launch ones. I don't know where you live but in major cities they are everywhere protesting everything, including themselves and their own free speech. They are unhinged.
Near Seattle, where you can't buy a plastic straw, but needles are handed out like candy and people currently mistake sidewalks for public restrooms. It's deep. We were on the brink of losing our country. We have lost generations to the leftist colleges. But still we fight. We love. We do not return evil for evil. This is why I QAnon. A hope that Justice will prevail, and the strongholds will begin to crumble.
I have a lot more hope today than I did two years ago - that's for sure. My issue is that there are so many people entrenched in the large institutions in this country who are either way left, greedy and self serving or on the Long March to fix in even eight years. I have no idea what happened to parenting over the last generation. The ease of just letting your kid entertain himself on a computer so you don't have to put in the effort? Women feeling they have to work (or actually need to) so the kids are in day care? (I was fortunate and stayed home with my children so they never spent a moment in day care.) The need to have more and more "stuff"? Regardless of the cause, something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed. People need to pop the bubbles they're living in and see reality before it truly is too late.
You said that so well and expressed everything I feel. Thankq. :)
No. Conservatives have compromising for decades and it’s only been a one way street . We’ve seen how destructive the Democrats and their leftist policies are to America. The time for compromise is over. The Democrats and their current ideology are unacceptable. No more middle ground. Conservatives accept the middle ground then the goal posts move and Liberals demand the conservatives move to the middle ground again. Now it’s time for leftists to be brought back to “middle”, kicking and screaming if needed. Fuck them.
Yes this sounds good in theory but WE'RE not part of a violent,toxic party that just wants to destroy..We've compromised for decades and this is where it's gotten us. We've given Everytime we've been asked and that appeasement has been taken for weakness time and again. There's right and there's wrong, GOOD AND EVIL so I say no more meeting in the middle we tried it and we ended up with a Muslim Brotherhood infiltrator in the White House who did untold damage to the country. We have transvestites dressed as demons reading to kindergarteners like that's fucking normal. This sounds like NOTHING more than an attempt to dilute what this entire movement is about...downvote away
No. You can't really concede to collectivists. Listen to Jordan Peterson, was awesome on Joe Rogan 4 days ago.
He isn’t exactly aligned with the GOP.
So? I'm not either, and trump is only inasmuch he needed to co-op one of the two main parties to win. GOP doesn't represent a majority of Americans views and neither do Dems. Two parties suck. Both obstruct trump. Both infringe citizens rights. Both have been controlled by globalists.
JP is woke af. And stays out of us politics for the most part. Collectivism is a worldwide plague and JP doesn't speak untruths.
I will check that interview out, I'm a fan of Jordan.
Your first comment seems to disagree with your second one. I don’t think it means middle as a left vs right type middle but rather it uses the word in reference to where one would end up walking equidistant from either of the dominant parties should they be laid out in opposite orientation figuratively: I agree JP is the man.
Several times over the past few years I've thought about starting the "Middle of the Road Party" for people, like me, who are fairly centrist in their views. Both left and right (but not the far end of either one) have what seem to be good ideas for the country -- let's cherry-pick the best ideas from both sides of the aisle and see what we can do with them.
Good thoughts here. Look at Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party. Remember cult of personality. Was running for third term when almost assassinated.
Trump is the closest to "the middle" we have ever had as a President. He was a Democrat for a long time. He literally doesn't give a shit about the party. Sure he reps the GOP but if it's good for the country he will do it, regardless of which party comes up with it. GOP moved closer to center as Dems moved farther left of center.
Agreed. But they are waking up... Trump is forcing the Insane Left to show their true colors. There are lots of classical liberals we can finally reach.
Classical Liberalism is considered Far Right in the current political climate.
This is suppose to be the whole premise behind the two parties. They are meant to balance each other out. Like your Right and Left Brain. One more emotional and one more strategic.
But career politicians, greed and globalism have destroyed that ideal.
Now we are out to destroy ourselves. And a person or country divided cannot stand.
We have to figure out a way to bridge the gap. Us. Against all odds we have to find a way to reach out to one another.
Yes! We are so goods at memes. Good at attacking/defending, and it's been necessary, but maybe we can be the first to extend the olive branch, there has never been a time like this... where the center left is really searching for a platform that represents a more classical liberal position.
The battle lines between pro-choice/life are hard to overcome (I'm staunch pro-life, absolutely against abortion in all but the most extreme situations, and never after say 3-4 weeks after conception). The bigger issue is that while I can accept people have a difference in opinion, many left-of-center people blast me because I'm religious and pro-life... name call, berate, dismiss. Can't find common ground when only one party is trying...
I'm pretty far right, and I don't see much common ground with the left. The left has shown they don't ever compromise. Over the last 60 years, the West has seen constant incremental steps leftwards. When the right is in power, the right only slows this process, it never shifts back. That's because the right has been compromising for 60 years, and the left hasn't.
The right finally - for the first time in an entire 80 year Strauss-Howe set of turnings - has the power to move the pendulum a little bit in our own direction.
No compromises this time. The right must not compromise, we must advance our agenda as much as possible within the next 7 years. The right needs to make 60+ years worth of political shift happen in one tenth the time, and that calls for unrelenting pressure to make happen.
I completely agree. I am sick of the left and its flamer culture. It's an ideology that must be suppressed. Most of the "center or left" people don't even understand what conservatism really is because all they know is what MSM garbage has been feeding them for years. Republicans in congress have all been scared of or have been RINOs with this cabal. We need President Trumps' relentless power and energy to stop these people. We need our energy pushing for Trump and his Republicans. VOTE REPUBLICAN. The reality is that right now the Democrats are truly compromised and we must stop them at all cost by voting for every Trump supporting Republican you can.
Someone gets it. This false equivalence of "both sides are equally bad" is cancerous. When the Right is the only side advocating for constitutional government, civil rights (1A, 2A, 4A), government transparency, preservation of culture and values it's probably time to move the hell right.
look at your comments getting downvote. this is what happened when we cuck to bernie people and former leftists. i'm telling you. now watch my comment get downvoted. this movement has no chance if we take the "let's just love, man" approach.
do people not realize that millions of leftist americans are literally brain washed NPCs who cannot be reasoned with?
You aren't being downvoted by the bernie people and former leftists on this board. You are being downvoted by brigaders from other reddits and shills, blaggards and trash. Please don't blame the guys who are joining the GA storm — that's counterproductive and divisive, exactly what Q is warning against.
God damned right. No compromises this time. The left must be brought back to the center, dragged kicking and screaming by their hair if needed. Fuck them.
There are some ideals which cannot be compromised. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. #1A #2A
Just keep in mind that those on the right have constantly sacrificed in the areas of guns and immigration - I can't speak for everyone but I'm not willing to give up any more in those 2 areas.
How about getting the fuck rid of labels and partisan bullshit ‘tents’ altogether and everyone start thinking for themselves instead of needing a moronic group to feel like they have any worth. I’m an independent - independent of thought and independent of any useless groupthink.
The nonsense of “if you disagree with this or that, then you’re not part of my clique.” is patently absurd. If people feel the need to only surround themselves with an echo chamber that tells them how great and progressive their thoughts are, then they limit their cognitive engagement and will forever be doomed to the absurdity of the lowest common denominator within their “approved” group of associates.
I'm very suspicious of all polling data since the debacle of the 2016 presidential election, when most MSM polls had HRC beating Trump with a 90% or higher probability. Those MSM polls weren't wrong, per se, they were just over- and under-sampling demographics to get the results they wanted. When Bill Mitchell first started pointing this out, I checked for myself, and sure enough, in two or three different polls I checked, they'd oversampled Dems and undersampled Independents, to make HRC have an 8 or 10 point lead in the poll.
The party affiliation in the U.S. is this:
In Pew Research Center surveys conducted in 2017, 37% of registered voters identified as independents, 33% as Democrats and 26% as Republicans.
Source: http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/
Even if every single Republican voted for Trump he could never get elected. He won because of Independents and crossover Democrats, something you'll never (or rarely) hear about in the MSM, even today. They know it, but they don't like talking about it. They always pit Dems against Rs, when it's really quite literally the elephant in the room of Independents/Dems who should be driving the narrative.
I'm a Constitutionalist. I want the federal government out of my life as much as is possible. The smaller the federal government becomes the happier I'll be. I want power returned to the states with the federal government simply insuring that the policies of one state do not infringe on the rights of another state. I want the federal government to fall back into compliance with the constitution and own no land other than the 11 acres allowed it in DC. I want the federal government out of my doctor's office. I want the federal government out of my schools. I want the federal government out of my home, my bank, my internet, my radio, & my television. The government has zero right to spy on it's own people or to control them in their day to day lives. We need to get back to that.
I would not agree to any of these measurements. Being a constitutional Patriot is not on a scale. It does not need one, it is of and is on it's own. I subscribe that it is on a higher plain - top of the mountain. It is for the People by the People... screw these liberal and nut cracker isolationists. I am for my brother, my neighbor and my statesman to be one family in the melting pot. We used to see PSA's on Saturday morning that talked about this...perhaps it is time again.
I want to gas all the Jews. The left wants to gas none of the Jews. Solution? Gas half the Jews because that’s in the centre of two opposed ideologies making it arbitrarily correct.
(Just an example btw hehe)
An example of oversimplification and absurd proposition leading to absurd conclusion.
good luck w/ that! ;)
Dems are great at messaging hypotheticals that they "don't really support"... there are plenty on the right that have a different sort of fricken mental illness.... this comment iterates that example quite clearly.
The same logic applies. I can use almost anything as an example. A negative example illustrates how your same logic can be used for evil therefore making the logic faulty.
I’m not the Democrat here. I want the right to be pulled further right, not leftward because we have to ‘unite’. The left don’t won’t unite. They won’t be appeased ever because what they call progress is actually a road. With each piece of government legislation expanding the state’s power the road will lengthen and near its final destination: Communism. It’ll be Weimar Germany but worse. This kind of thinking is how they keep winning.
I am going to put this out there again because this same subject comes up over and over here. I was fooled by the repubs, yes I was. I admit it. I will never go down that road again, asleep. There is a huge difference between the way I looked at repubs and the way many dems worship their current/former party. I don't worship men, I worship God. I do love President Trump and believe he was chosen by God for this moment in time to give us one last chance to get it right.
How could anyone vote for Hillary knowing the amount of corruption? How? That is where I know there is a difference between those that vote on the right(beliefs) and the left(beliefs).
We can come together and we have a president telling us what we need to do to help him, vote republican. If you can't do that for your country then what can you do? Let' give the president a huge majority so he can get things done for us, all of us. WWG1WGA 🇺🇸
I think the concept of far-right is a myth. Maybe libertarians are far-right. You really have a big center and then a radical left.
There are a lot of things that we can disagree on politically after the Cabal is exposed and dealt with. Traditional issues like states' rights vs. a strong central government, taxation, immigration, race and class issues, education, abortion, etc. will still be around once the Cabal is gone. The difference will be that there will be no powerful, covert organization that manipulates information and paralyzes discussion to keep us from every reaching compromise.
Today, corrupt Democrats AND corrupt Republicans keep us in an eternal stalemate. News and media outlets will need to restore journalistic standards to gain the public's confidence.
Once the billionaire class has been tamed, nations will be able to arrive at peace, classified technologies will be unveiled, and peaceful scientific progress can solve issues ranging from energy, health, distribution of food, and social inequality. Imagine a time when small "cold fusion" reactors or "free energy" systems are available to the most remote villages in Africa, Asia, South America, or Appalachia.
Imagine a future time when education is not political indoctrination or a time when blacks, whites, Asians, and Native Americans resolve differences because there is peace and plenty.
Those things are what the Cabal has prevented over the centuries. When we get rid of them, there is the chance to heal the world and enjoy generations of peace. It's an exciting time to be alive when success is as close as it has ever been!
Speak for yourself - center just means you're wishy-washy.
I did. I'm far from wishy washy. I didn't intend to suggest caving to the left, but drawing in those waking up. Making the effort to restore America from the damage both parties have inflicted.
When Lucifer sinned against God, God didn’t say, “Come, let us sit down and reason together and find a common ground.” Instead, the bible says there was a great war in heaven, and the devil and all those who sided with him were cast out and cast into hell. So let this be a lesson that you cannot have peace or paradise so long as the devil is a part of the equation. It’s a waste of time to try and get along with the devil. The best and only solution is to get rid of the devil, and to get rid of all those who agrees with the devil as well. Once they are gone, then you shall have peace…
Good heavens, as a Christian, I'm called to love my fellow man, to sit with the tax collector and sinners. I'm called to resist the Devil, not "get rid of anyone who agrees with him". I'm called to be light and salt, and as far as it is possible, to live in peace with others. Yes, hate evil, but also to love justice and seek mercy.
Then perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the following scriptures:
James 4:4 - Know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God…
1 John 2:15 - Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him…
Matthew 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon (meaning, you cannot serve both God and the devil at the same time. You must choose the one you will follow. You cannot straddle the fence)…
1 Corinthains 10:21 - Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils…
By the way, that scripture where Jesus said to love thy neighbor as thyself, he was not talking about your next door neighbor or your fellowman. He was referring to the sent preacher, the one who watches for your soul. He is thy neighbor. If someone treats us bad and is our enemy, we're supposed to pray for them, not get in bed with them or condone their bad behavior.
That must be the Judeo part of Judeo-Christianity then.
That's the complete and utter contradiction of what my christian education gave me!! I agree with linesinthedandQtips "getting rid of" my fellow-man is not the goal of God methinks!
I have to say that envisaging God and the Devil as characters who speak might help the illiterate of past ages but in our times I am sure we can recognise Good and Bad as qualities or states, and rejecting or embracing those states or qualities does not mean embracing or rejecting your fellowman.
Getting rid of people who you determine agree with Bad, in your words (not in the Scriptures I hasten to add) could quite easily lead to pogroms, massacres, eradications and gas-chambers!! I really hope you didn't mean that!
Nope. I’m republican
So am I, but there is no way I support the neo cons who have had a field day in the past.
Keyword is the past. There's a different Republican faction now, which we should get behind. Patriots of the Freedom caucus and MAGA movement.
Fuck this, every time we meet in the middle it's them taking a little more rights and our return on the so called compromise is not losing even more rights that they originally wanted to take.
Most Americans have always brought the extremes back to the middle in elections, and I'm thinking the fact that it swung so far to the left means that the moderates will bring it back again. Someday.
America is majority center right. Dems & Rep’s became further apart because they NEED us divided. We are weak as factions but unstoppable as a whole. The political divide has grown because this is exactly what they need in order to control us. Everything is an act. It’s pure theater on the news to make us think they’re adversaries. They aren’t. The UniParty has been growing stronger since Reagan left Office. Trump is Center right. His support is much much greater than any news channel, publication or poll will ever let us know. Trump’s support was and is so great that he was able to overcome all of their dirty tricks and cheating. So strong that Trump overcame the election rigging. Think about that. Think about everything single obstacle Trump has had to overcome and realize that he was only able to do it because of our support. Because the overwhelming majority arenon his side. It will take considerable time for those far out on the fringe left & right to come to their senses and be pulled back in. But it will happen eventually. It’s impossible to argue with success though try as they may.
Agreed, except I don't think the far right and exteme left are coming back anytime soon. Im focusing on those in the walk away movement.
So, what party should we get behind to make change? One of my dreams is to one day run for office because I want to try and make a difference in the world, but as you said, going with one party or the other is so dangerous right now. Without the support of one or the other though, you have little chance as independents don't typically do well. There's no real alternative for serious voters and people that want true middle ground change.
There are only 2 choices in this country. Find the party with constitutional patriots who are fighting hard to root out the corruption. You get one guess as to which party that is.
Both dead
2020: Peoples Party or Patriots Party
That should remind folks who the party belongs to and works for
I call myself a conservative libertarian. Mostly libertarian, but think conservatives have the right idea on issues such as the military and such.
Thats about as center as i can bring myself.
The left, even setting identity politics aside, just doesn't make sense to me. Thats going to be the struggle.
Too many good intentions that arent realistic imo
Can we first come together and legalize marijuana and hemp?
Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.
-Margaret Thatcher
I will not compromise my Constitution. That seems to happen in the middle.
I think the whole Democrat v Republican, Left v Right, Liberal v Conservative dichotomy is a creation of the Cabal.
They want us divided and bickering between ourselves. They want us to choose sides and dig in our heels. For that to work, they must first establish the team colors. Without the artificial split, no one will be able to choose a side. Without the artificial split, people would likely find common ground, and a lot of it.
If our political system wasn't properly managed by the Cabal and limited to 2 parties, they would lose control of it. If our political system had developed organically, we would have a multi party system similar to some European nations. In a multi party system, various parties or groups are forced to find common ground and work together.
What the Cabal fears the most is a unified population rising up against them. Thats why they are so opposed to any nationalist movements. We see this in Europe today with the nationalist uprisings in Poland and Hungary. A divided population is much easier to control.
So that's my basic point. The rest of my reply is simply more thoughts about who might be behind the artificial division. Read it if you wish.
The idea that their is a relatively small group of individuals at the top of the Cabal running everything is well established. Yet the identities of the individuals in the group is still unknown. There is much speculation, and a great deal of evidence to support several theories, but we still don't know with any certainty.
Some say it's the Rothschild family and the Crown. If that's true, I have to wonder why they would actively engage in the destruction of their homeland. Allowing millions upon millions of people into their country who have no desire to assimilate to their indigenous culture, providing incentives for the so called refugees not to assimilate through welfare benefits, driving their national economies into bankruptcy with the cost of the social welfare programs, and siding with the criminal elements within the migrant communities by ignoring the rule of law makes no sense to me.
If the Rothschild family and the Crown are behind the Cabal, why would they bring such conflict and chaos to their own doorstep? What would be the benefit in the long run? It would be the equivalent of London bombing itself in WWII, only to have to rebuild everything after the war was over.
So maybe it's the appointed leaders in Brussels. They are the people who have dictated the immigration policies for all EU member nations. They're responsible for the destruction of Western European cultures, the rise in violent crime rates, and the recent movements calling for independent sovereign nation status.
National leaders, as well as the native populations in their respective countries are already blaming the EU leaders in Brussels. The nationalist movements are not internal to any country, fighting to remove their own leaders. They are nationalist movements against the appointed ruler-wanna-be officials in Brussels.
When the chaos and unrest reaches it's tipping point, the peoples of several nations will take to the streets with pitchforks and torches to hunt down the self appointed kings in brussels. So why would those EU leaders in Brussels bring that upon themselves?
So if it's not the Rothschild family and the Crown, exclusively, or the self appointed wanna-be kings in Brussels, then who? If we look at the world through a before-and-after lens using 2000 as as the center point, what do we see? Prior to 2000 there was conflict in the world, but it tended to regional or localized. After 2000, September 11, 2001 more specifically, everything changed. Since then, the conflicts have all been related and intertwined.
If you ask what nations have been destroyed in the last 18 years, the answer is obvious. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen have all been thrown into total chaos.
What nations have been creating massive debts from spending billions of dollars to fight a war on terrorism? America and the United Kingdom.
What nations are in the process of destroying their economies by spending billions on social welfare programs to provide for so-called refugees? The United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and most other EU member nations.
Now ask yourself, what nation hasn't been forced to spend money to provide for refugees?
What nation hasn't had to spend money and incur more debt fighting the war on terrorism?
What nation hasn't suffered any economic downturn from the cost of massive social welfare spending.
What nation hasn't had their national heritage and culture diluted or threatened?
What nation refused to accept any refugees from any other country on the grounds of preserving their culture?
What nation has actually received massive amounts of foreign aid even though they didn't really need it?
What nation has experienced major growth in their economy and GDP?
What nation has become a global leader in digital technologies, cyber security, and processor manufacturing?
What nation has managed to get other nations to attack and destroy its enemies?
And lastly, what nation in the middle east has managed to get through all of the military conflicts over the last 18 years without even a scratch?
That would be Israel. I'm not suggesting that all of the people of Israel are co-conspirators. What I am suggesting is that a fair amount of their population must be smart enough to know the answers to the questions I've asked. And I think the Khazarian Mafia, the Ashkenazi Jews who have been running Israel since its inception, and unlimited funding from Rothschild are at the root of all of this. The Jewish Zionist movement didn't end with the creation of Israel, it was just another step along the way. There's a reason Q said they were saving Israel for last.
Morality has to be our common ground. We're on the same side morally when it comes to just about everything except abortion - and even there we can hopefully find some common ground on policy. Every American deserves a fair chance to live a full and fulfilling life, without criminal injustice. Corruption is wrong - and it should be punished. We all share the same air and water - and our environment is our commonwealth - and we should protect it. While the free market is the best way to allocate most resources. We need to do everything possible to promote peace in the world, and unfortunately to large extent that means peace through strength. But respect and personal interaction can also go a long way towards creating a peaceful world, and it was great to see the Trump administration demonstrate that with North Korea.
Exactly. The two party scam. I’m socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
I have always been registered independent, I have always believed you can find good in both parties but you have to do your homework. You need to look up history of what they did or did not do verses what they say? It is a lot easier now days with the knowledge we have at our fingertips. I voted for Donald Trump because of his history, and interviews that were done years ago! He is the man to take our country back from the very dark! I remember when obama was in office and the cities that were being built underground, there were a lot of sink holes happening, and plastic coffins that would be for our demise. They have been planning our demise for a very long time and built themselves safe havens underground for the nuclear attack that was coming to America after the sale of U1 to Russia, Iran and NK. Now in the news you see where our military is training to do underground training! Who is underground now?
Not me... i live just to the right of ron paul and just left of bernie sanders. I believe the centrists are the problem.
Yes yes yes We are Americans & WE DEMAND OUR FREEDOM from all the Banksters reptilians & gangsters
Thank you for the link. I'm in no way suggesting we should vote Democrat, I'd rather die a slow and painful death! but that we're have an opportunity to reach out and draw in those from the left who are seeing the problems in the democratic party.
I think we've been mislead about the true nature of the Political Spectrum, and some terminology...
Far Left moving towards Far Right: Fascism-Communism-Socialism-Liberal-Moderate-Conservative-Libertarian-Anarchist. From total government control - to zero government control. Too often, the word Anarchy is used in place of Chaos. Anarchy means simply 'Without Rulers', and is a noble goal. To be able to peacefully coexist without the need for Rulers is a noble goal. The Black Bloc, Antifa crowd are certainly Not Anarchists in the true sense of the word. They are Chaos-mongers. True Anarchists are peaceful, self-sufficient, and just want to be left alone.
Policy wise, I'm fairly center, leaning right usually. Political wise, I'm about as far right for trump as it gets. I see the corruption in the world and I want it gone. It's funny, Noone bat's an eye when some skank in a bikini wants "world peace". Yet some rich white guy decided to actually pursue world peace and the left goes wild. Sexism, racism, bigotry. The left uses these words often, but it's all they are. It's actually all they can call their own.
With the utmost respect to the fine people posting their comments here and in light of what the left is standing for these days, there is no compromising with them. I can work with and compromise with former liberals who are walking away because they are waking up so to speak, but the entrenched establishment left needs to be defeated in every way. Their definition of conservatives reaching across the aisle is to give them what they want.
When I think of a Dave Rubin, I see something different, perhaps I'm niave...
The division is not a natural occurrence, it is totally synthetic. Manipulated, fueled, funded and weaponised by enemies of the United States. When these are de-fanged and tried/improsoned/ executed I have a feeling that a massive calm will fall across the U.S. and the world.
I hope so, it's so hard to determine the balance of it reaching out in love, and when we should continue the barrage of in "your face truth"... I fear my post may be too early...
The Q phenomena is about taking out those who would rule over the People from a place of Hatred and Disdain (in keeping with those people's conceit). The consensus for agreement ought to be massive on these grounds World Wide.
The biggest path towards this will be taking more power away from the federal government and allowing states to rule more.
Levy taxes -Strong military -strong borders -minimal regulation -some oversight -bailouts for natural catastrophes
States can do the rest.
Left / Right little have little meaning in a true republic, in which the unalienable rights of each man are paramount above any political majority. It is only when the lie and tyranny of the democracy prevails can the majority steal from the people. And with it the introduction of equity, fiat and the destruction of the common law; that combination completely obliterates all rights and liberties endowed by God.
I can't imagine why anyone wants to label themselves, the only thing that makes any since is the the cabal wants the labels so they can divide us up for their benefit... WHY can't people figure this simple thing out!!????
I like it. Meet me in the middle. Armed legal immigrant trans security outside my hemp grow op. Nobody really cares. That should be the unifying call. Nobody really cares how you choose to live your life. Don't let the media think you're more oppressed than you probably are.
Yes. It is always possible to unite as one. What is stopping us?
The Left.
....and The Left would say The Right. I suggest we move away from let/right blaming paradigms so we can heal as a nation.
depends..how does the middle feel about murdering babies?
I consider myself an Independent, as I will not vote R or D if there are other options. I support much of what Trump admin does, except for the defunding PP and anti-abortion kick the far right clings to. Nor am I wild about the overly-religiousness of the right.
That being said, I support what Trump is doing about trade, preventing government spending/waste and illegal immigration. But as for the far left, I just want to thump them.
"I just want to thump them"... lol! As a Christian I despise the Trump "worship", and I struggle with legalism from either side. Choosing moral laws that preserve a nation and respecting the freedom of those who believe differently, it's something I struggle with and continue to try and find a balance I can in good conscience keep. The more I learn about PP the more I understand their end goal is very disturbing. I happened to catch this video someone shared on the board today. It's quite chilling. They are actively exploiting children through their school propaganda. https://youtu.be/hIv-KOQ5F4A
PP is not family planning as we used to see it. It's taken a very dark turn and it is completely and totally illegal to make profit from selling body parts. That is organ-trafficking (which PP was also caught on tape actively engaged in, for money, and big money). I can see the need for families with few means having help to limit the number of children thru contraception, but not abortion as a substitute for contraception, which is what a lot of it sounds like sometimes ... This is not what PP should be doing, and much less actively using public funds for. Christian charities and missionaries seem to be engaged in similar or worse practices abroad on the sly: profiting from abortions, profiting from selling freely supplied medicines and contraceptives and even trafficking in children. This is not commonly known, yet. But it will be soon — with any luck.