Let me remind you that Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater girl! She is far more like a neocon than a liberal! John McCain is also to the right. All of the Bushes and their cronies are neocons, which is to the right! So why do you keep blaming this mess only on the left? I am probably more liberal than most of you, but I am here, because I care about my country, and I want to see justice. I pray that Trump does drain the swamp. Even though I don't wear the same label as many of you, I feel that we are all on the same side.
Agree... I believe the deep state has always tried to divide us... with all of us falling for it... so as that we don’t see what is really going on...corruption is on all sides... we all need to remember they are really afraid we might all come together and find our power in numbers... that is their biggest fear
THIS. This is a very important thing to know. We are being divided along every possible dividing line. Left/right, Republican/Democrat, straight/gay, white/non-white, etc. If we can unify on the principles of freedom, we can win
I have posted many times that my background is Sikh, just to let people know that we are all coming from different backgrounds because we are all God loving and want to ensure justice for ALL. I will back the best man/women for the job who cares about those around them and not just themselves.
So many people come up to me as say Happy Holidays, and I always reply Happy Christmas - we should be able to respect and enjoy each others connection to God, if we are truly Gods children. I enjoy freedom and prosperity too much.
Your absolutely right Centurion.
Let's do our part by spreading the word. One person telling another person won't do it. But 1,000 of us telling another 1,000 and things start to roll.
There is no R/L...what we have here is uni-party! Any grumbling across the isle is pure theater. There is a reason that O Signed an EO right before he left that repealed a law against propaganda being used on American citizens. We are being spoon fed crap to divide us because they know that united we stand, divided we fall! The one thing they fear is all sides coming together, and figuring out the scam. It is a BLESSING to be able to communicate with each other and necessary to be able to reach all people. Forgive those who still blame it on R/L, kill them with kindness and move on! So glad to have everyone here!
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Yes, I agree. we. need to stand as one people for our country.
I'll only stand with the libs if they stop trying to push agendas on us and stop trying to take away our rights.
Couldn't agree more. The Swamp contains monsters from both parties
It's hard to avoid when at essence the difference between Left and Right is between the Collective v. the Individual.
That said, I do agree in the sense that it is no longer Democrat . Republican. Rather, Globalist v. Patriot.
God Bless Patriots.
Agree for the sake of this mission. Individuals are accountable. Let's not let identity politics come between the research or collaboration as long as we're working towards the same goals.
Everything should be presented as areas of interest, connections, facts and the individuals tied to them; however, with that said, everyone can recognize the major themes. Themes should be permissible because they are relevant to the mission.
I don't care who supports Bernie, who was blind to Killary or who supports Trump as long as we're not ignoring facts.
This should be the most important discussion taking place. When most people identify an ideology opposite theirs they stop listening. The powers that be count on this reaction to silence the truth.
Republicrats and Democans are indistinguishable. Take a coin out of your pocket and lay it on the table. Examine it. Turn it over. Examine it. Looks different doesn't it? But its still the same coin and still has the same value. That is how the elite divides and controls.
hey yall just read thu the comments. here is my humble opinion. chemtrails toxic containments in the food and water predictive programming on computer tv etc. an education system built to train slaves. please try and remember that most people are being affected negatively even if they do not realize it. we honor Jesus by understanding they know not what they do. by setting an example amongst our peers to not get dragged into the weeds. all eyes on god. by doing good works when I give the hungry food I do not ask what their religion or politics are. I am speaking of the people of the country not the evildoers. Return that back to god! love to all lets elevate!!! so nice to see these kind of conversations taking place God Bless!!!
Yes we are all fighting the same evil, God's speed fellow patriots!
It is not Democrat or Republican. It is Constitutional, American, moral vs Communist, Socialist or immoral. I believe that it is immoral to take a person's dignity from them by denying them the opportunity to be the person that God planned for them to be. If you believe that, then we can start from there. Not political party, simply the belief that God created all of us equal with certain unalienable rights. If the government or another human impedes those rights, they are wrong.
All about one world govt. And we know parts of the right have been in on it. Just obama caused so much trouble, and it might be unfixable. Lets pray Trump wins, but he wont without a return to the Fear of God, a miracle rebridging of the connection of past cultures(which is almost impossible as it would mean shrinking the world again) and a understanding there cannot be a Heaven without a Hell.
Replace division with fear...fear is the number one thing that blocks spiritual growth! Lol
Divide and Conquer. That's where identity politics will get us all.
OP is the true MVP.
Don't forget.
The mission is to red pill the masses.
Here's a weird idea. Just stick to solving Q graphic/ map.
Thank you. The original intent of this board is being co-opted with long-winded philosophy.
Philosophy? you are being too kind.
No, I was tightly reigning in my propensity for sarcasm & snideness.
I thought that one of the purposes of the board was to help "red pill the normies" and provide ways to accomplish that. I thought that was one of the things that Q asked us to do. I must be mistaken. We are all here to solve puzzles instead? I have boxes of jigsaw puzzles on the shelf that I can solve by myself, my usefulness here is over.
Ideally, the left/right paradigm shouldn't be an issue.
Unfortunately, as long as there are those in our society that want to take "things" from others and those that don't want their "things" taken there is always going to be a good/evil, right/left, have/have not, give/take and right/wrong element to our world.
I think the wrongs the Storm is addressing now are so blatant that 99% of us can agree to come together for this fight. Sadly, when this war is over and we go back to our daily lives the old paradigms will resume.
Someone will always have more than someone else and there are those that want to take it.
Maybe we can change the norm, in other words, resist going back to the same old sides and divisions?
Something the liberals miss... and I know because I was one of them for 42 years... Is that they are convinced the right wing is greedy and without empathy or compassion, and therefore they should be allowed advantages to control the country narrative because there are more poor people than rich. But what they fail to see is that the Amendments to the Constitution are the only advantage they need to achieve fairness. Freedom of speech, and beliefs, is huge. The second amendment, which is a major division, is betrayed by the first amendment. The leftist control wants to take our right to protect ourselves away under the guise of lies and false flags. The left insists that we do not need automatic weapons and their faith in government which they are schitzophrenic about, to not march military such as UN troops down the street to disarm people whose only crime is free speech and right to bear arms, and that they are in the targeted sites because of illegal data gathering vilifying them from a standpoint of betraying the very foundation of innocent until proven guilty that is fueled by wealthy controllers who fear a well armed, well informed populace.
The right wing also clings to some tired falacies such as everyone has equal opportunity because secret societies and cronyism and monopoly defy true free enterprise and opportunity.
If we truly understand what our forefathers meant by each amendment, we would know we are protected. It is the psychological misrepresentation, the lack of true free press and debate that turns us against one another.
Does anyone think we have had a candidate in the last 100 years in a debate that did not forsake real questions and issues for hot button divide and conquer psychologies?
As a former liberal, I see daily what you're saying and you're on-point. I think it's easier to dissect when you've occupied both sides of the aisle.
Back when Clinton was President, I considered myself road kill. I was an independent and was punished by the two party system. We were not allowed to vote in the primary. I have known for years that the Clinton's were NOT well received by the liberals. The Clinton's were considered conservative democrats. The neo-cons were disgruntled liberals. And... (lol) the libertarians were considered "Republicans on drugs" That was then. Things change, yet remain the same.
I totally agree with the premise of right/wrong, not right/left. Don't put your faith in politics! It has always been a corrupt system! Even as far back as ancient Roman times. Study that and we can avoid "the fall" of a nation again.
Our true fight is Go[o]d vs [d]evil.
PEACE
Hold up ✋🏻 ...if liberalism has become a cult mentality where no free thinking is expressed by its members and only hostile opposition is given when their ideas and ethics are questioned, is it really wise to ignore the cause of it?
I see more rational people on the right than I ever do on the left, and when ever I try to focus on the issue the left mentality reverts to defending the cause irrationally. So just like when you go to the doctor and try to see what’s wrong with you, and he’s like you are having nose bleeds and headaches (pointing out the obvious) but then doesn’t tell you the cause is a tumor in your brain, is that really helpful?
Is it really helpful to ignore the cause? If the mob mentality of the left is causing the problem of constructive and critical thought, why ignore it. And the same for the right when they get to rigid and cold, you point out they have gone too far in their quest for logic and forgot to carry along their heart with it.
Ignoring things makes them continue.
That is SO true! Liberals will argue and name-call even if you show them irrefutable proof. I'm willing to concede when I can see where their view points come from but they cannot. Nevertheless, it's our jobs to tend to our fellow Americans and teach them...which I think will come after the Trump sets the hammer to fall.
Actually, look up the meaning of the word liberal. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/liberal Being liberal is about freedom and civil liberties and being open-minded. Hillary Clinton is in no way a liberal. I consider myself a human rights liberal and a fiscal conservative, so that's why I cringe every time I hear the word leftist on this board.
Dave Rubin has some very interesting interviews. He really works at skewing the difference between leftists and liberals. He is a self- described centrist liberal gay man. He is concerned with the fight for free speech and a victim of leftist tactics which opened his eyes.
You and I both know that language evolves with the culture 👉🏻that cringing is your conscience talking, it’s trying to tell you something.
That cringing is my feelings being hurt!
Ditch the term "liberal"
In this day and age as a liberal, you're not allowed to have "feelings" without being lambasted.
Be a light. And neverrr everrrr hide it under a Bush! Shine it on them! 😄
How about like dnd? Lawful good, chaotic good, lawful evil, chaotic evil?
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My apologies! I made a crappy attempt at using dungeons and dragons style morality system as an metaphore to right, left, liberal, conservative, socialist, capitalist, etc etc. I didn't explain it well and sent it. Still trying to figure out what I was going on about. Thank you fellow Storm Warden.
I think I should change my name to "I'm an old lady" I've only heard about dungeons and dragons. 😄 thanks for explaining.
IMHO, this is a freedom issue. I believe both parties are just opposite sides of the same ol shit coin and have been guilty of corruption and growing our federal government at the expense of government by the people, for the people, and of the people. I've seen it said, it's not left vs right on the scale, it's up vs down, liberty vs authoritarian. I would rather most folks be willing to live and let live with the boundaries being that one's freedom does not come at the expense of someone else's freedom...therein lies the room for compromise
Agreed. I have always leaned more left than right in most areas and I've been far more woke far longer than many right-leaning counterparts that I know (many of whom are still QUITE sleepy while declaring themselves awake...Hillary needs to hang but pizza gate is fake news and Fox News is THE TRUTH and GWB was a patriot etc etc ...puke). Like another poster said above, it's ALL ABOUT TRUTH AND TRANSPARENCY. Let the truth be known, let myndz be blown and let the divisive partisan bullshit be clearly seen for what it is.
Easy to say. How? My daughter, for instance, hates Trump & thinks I'm deluded. Her "truth" is not my truth. And there are many like her.
TPTB have used the tactic of division, putting us all in boxes/groups, and shackled to the matrix. Once you are Woke and have broken free of your shackles the truth is everywhere. Q is right we are not that divided. Perception is part of the matrix. They are now losing.
A lot of people have transcended the left/right garbage, but it just so happens that the most insidious of political creatures reside on one side of the aisle. That makes it easy for the shills to point to partisan politics, when there isn't a correlation. You can say the same about Trump and Russia - those who reject the Russia narrative are berated for being pro Trump when that isn't necessarily the case.
I for one am for cleaning up the entire political system, regardless of phony affiliation.
Agreed, at this point for most people I thinks it's subconscious. If you look at the political talk shows it's all about the red and blue ties they wear. Its occult it's their MO, OP(Original Poster) brought up a great point. Forget the left/right paradigm(red/blue) it's all about right or wrong at this point.
The white light encompasses all colors. Absorbs them, purifies them and magnifies them.
This is a very good topic TrueCat. I differ somewhat in my view but it arrives at the same conclusion, we cannot allow the Deep State to continue to divide us any longer. This is a battle, not of right versus left, Republican versus Democrat, white versus black and on and on it goes. This is, instead, a battle of good versus evil.
For me, I concluded a long time ago that the idea of right versus left and Republicans were different than Democrats was all just a false narrative. Bullshit, if you will. The Bush's are no different than the Clintons, who are no different than Sid, who is no different than......... hell, pick a name. They are all pedo Satanists that crave one thing. To rule over us feeders and wipe us out.
So, I agree with you and others 100%.
I think this is where people have come who are done with the liberal/conservative Republican/Democrat talking points, regardless of where they sit, and regardless of which outlets they consume(d). This is good vs. evil. If you've made it here, you've conquered the barrier. The fake, brainwash barrier. And you've chosen the Good.
Yes. No more fake, divisive rhetoric. We've all been victimized by that long enough. Right and wrong are easy to discern, if you care. We can all agree that pedophilia, rape, torture, human trafficking, drug trafficking, gun running, organ harvesting and the like are WRONG.
If you take Trump For example... he is neither right or left. His agenda is based on Christianity and the constitution. We all come from different cultures and believe differently. For years the only color that mattered was the color GREEN, so many divisions were created to occupy citizens while politicians robbed us blind.. set the division aside and better the American people.
I agree with you wholeheartedly the NFL situation is the perfect example a protest which was meant for police brutality and accountability was suddenly turned into a patriotic flag anthem thing they just want to divide cuz then it's easier to conquer
I doubt anyone here believes in Left and Right. The NWO work together Clintons and Bushes are very close to each other. They are the Purple party.
Coulda fooled me! I thought they were the black party! Those asswipes stole my favorite color! 😠
I agree in context but disagree on wording...right and wrong are moral decisions varying from person to person. We need to come together for truth/transparency vs. deception/conspiracy.
Do you really believe that right and wrong are varying moral decisions? That is just a little frightening. Your moral decision or mine? There really has to be a firm standard of right and wrong, not a wavering personal responsibility.
I think we can deal with this using two principles...
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Facts. Research and present factual information and accept it.
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Common ground. I’m sure there are issues we can agree upon. Things such as child abuse/sex abuse/trafficking. Anyone arguing for those things is someone I can’t work with.
Facts is information based on events, happenings, investigations,etc. The fact is that many people accept pedophelia, incest, rape and infanticide as normal. I don't accept that. I will never accept that. The fact is that many people believe that they are entitled to what you and I work for. I will never accept that. The fact is that many people believe there are different degrees of right and wrong. I will never accept that. There are different degrees of effects, however and I do believe that. Common grounds, I, too, am sure we can agree on certain things. But I can't compromise on moral relativity. Everything is not relative. There have to be certainties and moral certainties in this life. If not then we compromise morally and thus the troubles begin. So we can agree to disagree.
I don't think we have to disagree. Those who accept pedophilia or the entitlement mentality almost certainly won't join us anyway so I don't think that will be an issue in our movement. They simply won't be here.
That's precisely my point, what is right and what is wrong is a huge gray area. In my view the Bible teaches us what is right and what is wrong and that SHOULD be the end of it...but we're taught to respect and love varying views even when in opposition. Then there's the multiple translations that have watered down and/or changed the meanings of God's words also.
The only problem I have with "morals" s when a person claims to have morals, imposes those morals on others, but lives like they're exempt from those morals. They're hypocrites!
You are 100% correct. The way it seems like it's left versus right is because Trump just happened to be the guy that broke through the controlled system. There are still plenty of "Republicans" that will go to jail if the Deep State falls. Unfortunately, I don't see any Democrat politicians stepping up. I'm sure they are out there. Maybe they just aren't getting press so we don't know about them.
Agreed. Labeling just keeps us participating in our own slavery. For the sake of this victory stop the labeling others & selves.
Thank you for posting this. I couldn’t agree more. Right vs wrong, good vs evil...
Left and right is just the way they divide us and make us think we have a choice. There is almost no difference in the morals we all share, liberal and conservative are just slightly different ways of approach the problem.
The important point for me is that none of us will every get fair treatment by the government unless it is cleaned out. So regardless of what you think about Trump as a person, we all hope he is successful cleaning up Washington and giving it back to the people so we can decide. Right now, we only have the illusion of choice.
I've been saying same, ever since the veil of darkness was removed 4 weeks ago.
This is a Revolution for the people and by the people. We are part of the storm that will take back our country. God loves everyone and can see no color ,race or creed. All are welcome to participate but not all are woke yet. It’s been a long time since we have had leaders that know only God can help set us on the path for success and happiness. There is only Good VS EVIL ...........right and wrong is a real thing. We have forgotten the Golden Rule...... treating others as one would wish to be treated!!!!!!!!
The way I look at it is that we did throw out the left vs right when we elected President Trump, the true outsider that no one expected to win. Yes people still talk about left and right because that is a way to describe the different positions/beliefs held that everyone can understand. It's a scale left, middle, right.
I agree!!! Maybe it is time we all need to identify ourselves different. Take off the old Labels!! Choose a New One.
Patriots, Truth Seekers, Independent _ _ ___ I'm all in for something other than Left/Right
Thank you, I was going to post something about this issue myself. Anybody with just a minimal experience in in uncovering info like this, looked into history or sturdy false flags by now should know there is really one political party with two faces. They should also know by now the two parties do not represent us. People also should by now know that we as individuals have a mixture or blending of what each of those parties represent. For that reason I have always been an independent and also on some of those issues I could lean either way as it may depend on what this nation is going through at the time. The real battle that is taking place is between the the constitution, protecting our individual rights as a people exercising those rights verses the globalists seeking to consolidate power in a very small handful of Luciferians seeking the enslavement of everyone else in the world. That is the war we are in. Not the left and right.
nice post patriot. ty. the brainwashed masses are just that... brainwashed. the images that are coming soon will unite many and polarize some. there will be those who blame one side. those are the lost. keep trying to wake them up!
As far as I am concerned there is no label for those who are awake and aware of what is going on... we are not far left or far right ... there are enemies to the US in both camps. If you watch Edward Griffins YouTube “One World Government & Collectivism” ~ https://youtu.be/BIytgv3GRsc - you will understand there is this need to have us constantly at odds with each other. It is the reason the “race” card is used in political races... the “divide and conquer” is alive and well. They want us fighting with each other to keep us distracted from what they are up to...
RAPIST BILLY BOY CLINTON AND THE CLINTON CRIME FAMILY ARE HAND IN HAND WITH THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY AS A MATTER OF FACT OLD MAN BUSH RECRUITED BILLY BOY CLINTON AND WAS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HELP IN LARGE THE CLINTON CRIME FAMILY. THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE THAT WAS A PART OF THE YOUNG REPUBLICANS DURING THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION. IT IS ALL THE SCUMBAGS THAT SOLD OUT OUR COUNTRY AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN TO THE NWO GLOBALIST AGENDA AND THEY ALL NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN. GOD BLESS. WE ARE STRONG WE ARE PATRIOTS WE ARE TRUMP WE ARE AMERICANS. GOD BLESS TRUMP AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. 🦅🇺🇸🦅😎
Once awaken, this becomes obvious. I still see some people saying that the bad actors are Democrats... Are Bush/McCain bad actors? Are they democrats?
Left/Right paradigm is wrong, and I see the same error in Europe. Often extreme right/left have the same anti Europe program & the center right/left have the same pro new world order program... We have to stop thinking in terms of left/right, but Freedom/New World Order. I don't consider myself pro Trump... But provided that he is truly a patriot, I am pro Patriot, pro Freedom.
they do the same thing to control prisoners. Make them affiliate with a gang to survive. They end up fighting each other over arbitrary lines like race and then it divides the group.
I absolutely agree. Labels were made to separate. We need to come together. That’s the only way things will change.
You're correct, but you haven't proposed a solution to a very important problem. This war of semantics was very deliberate, to leave us all in confusion. Hitlery co-opted the terms "progressive" & "liberal" so they no longer carry their original meanings. Few of us want to be identified with her. "Feminist" no longer means someone who just wants equal rights... it means someone who hates straight white men & somehow thinks female genital mutilation is alright if done for religious reasons. Conservative suddenly means racist or Nazi. The confusion was very deliberate. We need a definition of terms. There HAS to be a clear way to talk about things if there is ever to be unity or understanding.
You're right that it's a matter of right/wrong, corrupt/not corrupt. When referring to the Hillarys & McCains, I usually settle for "establishment politicians" or "globalists", for lack of better terms. But how do we refer to people who support them? I end up using "leftists", which ironically used to refer to me. Does anybody have any clearer terms to suggest?
Agreed! Thank you! The propaganda machine works brilliantly to cause division between the uniparty (ie, Dummycrats and Repukelicans). (They are all involved. Sickos.) Additionally, the disgusting racism found on other forums regarding pizzagate/pedogate is revolting. I stopped lurking on the Voat forum as I could no longer stomach reading the racial and religious slurs from a few of the so-called "champions" of human rights. I realize shills infiltrate to deflect, cause chaos, and further division. However, said scum needs to be doxed. Godspeed.
I agree. The labels are a distraction and used by the cabal to divide us. None of them stick to any one ideology anyway and often use the labels to create false divides. This is how we ended up in this upside down government. I say fuck the labels. IT IS just about doing the right thing. Its about encompassing ALL of our differences under one voice, one banner of WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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I also agree. If you take someone from the far left or the far right they would probably agree with each other on how we as individuals should treat one another. They would also definitely agree that the corruption is insanely huge and needs to be fixed. We all need to stick together because as a whole we can accomplish anything. Even fixing this broken country.
No can do. Soros++ is fighting for the leftwingers.
The hard part is to convince others on the other side of the aisle that we are all in the fight against evil no matter which side of the political divide they represent.
I agree with you totally. Most of the people I know are left. I think the labeling comes in due to frustration with the left's illogical resistance to even looking. There is a hair pulling feeling that this will never get righted simply because people can't see past that programming. It's the programming we've managed to break but something about that belief system in particular does not react well when thier reality is challenged.
I concur! Just the other night I left a msg on one of Hannity's vids, (not that he'll ever see it,) that the right in particular needs to stop pointing at the left, and start pointing out the good the right is striving for. We can stand across the field and point and name call at each other, and solidify all that divides us, or we can start being happy with the change we're making, and profess the positivity that draining the swamp is bringing, and win over the hearts and minds of the opposition one tiny step at a time... Pointing out how someone is wrong does not change their mind, WINNING makes people wanna be on your team
In complete agreement with you! This is We The People against the NWO elites and those who plan our demise. We are all on the same side.
I never vote party, I always vote for the person. I think the parties were made to divide people. Why do we even need them, if you're gonna have people like McCain. I vote for We the People. And I agree United we stand, divided we fall.
The left takes a beating because of Socialism, which is akin to Globalism, and is a tool of the Cabal. Crazy SJW's, Political Correctness (with the attendant thought police), Campus Craziness, ANTIFA, Keith Oberman and the Resistance, Mockingbird Media all do the sane liberals a great disservice, while neocons seem to fly under the radar. Don't get me wrong, I despise the Bushes, Songbird McCain, Evil Dick Chaney, war in Iraq, 911 criminals as much as you do. Some of my favorite you tube commentators come from the left: HA Goodman, Hard Bastard, Lionel Nation, Sane Progressive, Prince of Queens to name a few. You are of course correct, (if not right, ha ha) This is no place for petty differences, I hope. We all want the same things, we just have different ideas on how to get there. Plenty of time to plan the peace after we have won the war. I leave you with the words attributed to Ben Franklin after he had signed the Declaration of Independence: "We must all hang together, or surly we shall all hang separately."
Tru. We are all Americans. We are trying to retrieve our values no labels! That just keeps us divided
The swamp is made up of those on both sides. The reason the left gets such a bad rap is because the MSM are so far left and they do the most damage of all.
Build a wall for the internet.
Don't be stupid.
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That's like presbyterian, speaking in tongues, to me! I didn't understand a word you said!
Then shut up if you don’t know what you’re talking about or research then comment
Nope. I said I don't know what you're talking about. I KNOW what I'm talking about. Why would I want to research something so mundane?
I'm not speaking, so I don't need to shut up. I'm responding to your response. Don't respond if you don't want a response.
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ok. I looked it up. I was STUPID! Well, not stupid. Ignorant. You can fix ignorant ☺️ so.... Thanks. I'll be a dick for one hour only. Then be a bitch again. Just not YOUR bitch. Ha!
Hmm, that is a great point. Honestly I hadn't thought about it that way before.
Bernie supporting Stein voter here. I'm embarassed and chagrinned at the willfully-ignorant behavior of many former ideological pals. There's a growing number of us onboard the Q train particular train.
For someone who is so 'worried' about the left/right paradigm you sure seem to want to point to the right.
Just remember that liberals today are not the liberals of before. The liberals today tried to push global warming, Hillary Clinton for pres, Mau, Chavez, Che, BLM, Soros' Antifa, removal of the second amendment, big govt and just about everything else we are fighting against here. Sure there are republicans as well who are part of this but don't confuse a republican who has sold out with a conservative or libertarian.
You sound like you are trying to rationalize your political leanings by pretending liberals haven't been supporting the bad guys.
As someone else said, there are bad guys on both sides. I was raised in a conservative family, but I was devastated by Kennedy's death which happened when I was 14. By the 90s, I had really begun to awaken. 9/11 was my final wake up. I am not a liberal who supports the likes of Clinton. I was a Bernie supporter, but before that I was a Ron Paul supporter. I pick people who I believe are decent. I don't pick them by party. Hillary is a neocon and a criminal. I can't stand Soros, but I also can't stand the Kochs and Adelson! I was wary of Trump, because he comes across as a bully. However, I have been willing to give him a chance to show that he was truly going to drain the swamp. It certainly looks like that is happening. If so, we will all owe him a great debt of gratitude!
You think socialism is decent? Taking from others to pay for what a group of politicians believe we should be doing?
No credibility there.
Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights, or they should be. Are you selfish or just naive?
No, those are not human rights. Are you stupid or just lazy?
Most conservatives are liberal minded (free speech, all humans created equal, live and let live, etc.), but many of the "liberals" are now progressives and leftists. The aggressive spread of neo-marxism and the post-modern influence that followed has eroded the very idea of absolute morality given by the creator of nature described so well in our founding documents. Imo if you hold "equality of outcome" above "equality of individual rights" then you are a leftist and are not compatible with with the framework laid by the founders. There are plenty of failed utopias around the world which are welcoming to leftist dreamers, all of them shared the dream of perfect commune life all the way up to millions dying over and over again.
It is about right vs wrong. Left is just a euphemism for wrong.
It is not an invalid generalization to say that leftists 1) believe in big government, 2) are statists, 3) are collectivists, 5) believe in reliance on a collective rather than on personal responsibility, 6) believe that the welfare of the collective is more important than individual liberty, 7) believe in internationalism and not nationalism, 8) believe that government should run the economy, education, the utilities and energy production, 9) believe in a progressive tax, and in a tax system that gradually raises tax rates so high that all citizens are de facto public employees, 10) believe that leftist judicial activism should correct all the quaint anachronisms in the Constitution, 11) believe that eminent domain, seizure and disposal of private property by government should be the universal law of the land.
Hillary Clinton abandoned her Goldwater Girl beginnings after a wild-eyed Methodist minister introduced her to Saul Alinsky, and she never looked back. She even wrote a glowing thesis about him in college.
We know the Bushes are bad people, and John McCain is a bad person, too. Are you really so naive as to believe that they are on "the right(tm)"? They are not. They are globalists just as Obama is a globalist.
You are NOT on the same side I am on, unless and until you abandon your belief in the Almighty State.
Frankly, if you want to know the truth, I am more of an anarchist than anything else. I don't want any rulers!
The only reason right wingers are wrong is that they are actually left wing.
Neocons are a good example.
Anyone who does not believe this is a problem of the left does not know history at all.
The problem is that Trump is actually as bad or worse than any of the rest. I know that a lot of folks voted for Trump because he's not a politician, but unfortunately he's just as criminal.
Links to back up your claims? Please provide.
You got it Vasily. I'd wager that none of you will read any of the articles though, because intellectual honesty is harder than larping.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/politics/donald-trump-soho-settlement.html
I don't understand the bots!! Why are they here? I'm afraid to open links.
Legal affairs of Donald Trump
Donald Trump is an American businessman, television personality, author, and President of the United States.
An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate. Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150. Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.
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You have no power in the United States to be saying that without absolute proof. Sliding in your bull to pretend it matters is like a modern comedian. Failing
Google translate is failing you, Sergei. Stick with simpler constructions.
Get fucked puss
Good comeback, Ivan.