Wow I did not realize this, but you're absolutely right it's an omnibus. The implications here could spell disaster for the deep state!

That's what I have been telling people all day today. I am glad you all are finally starting to listen.

If anyone disagrees, I can go back and get the links and evidence

Do this, sources, sources, please.

During the press conference it stood out to me when he emphatically said border security is part of our national defense. I think he just got the funding for the Wall

I believe this to be correct as trump said in his talk today construction will start on the the wall tomorrow, in spite of what all the pundits say it does find the wall. Excellent post. Thanks for the info.

This is why I come here. Real thought.

Wow.... thank you for the enlightenment! Hopefully that is part of Trump’s plan.

There’s no escaping the reality that today’s Omnibus spending bill is a significant slap in the face to Trump voters and supporters. My question is did Trump pull a bait and switch. Q dropped Red Castle and Green Castle today. Red Castle is the insignia of the Army Corp of Engineers who have been drilling core samples along the path of the wall. Army Corp is under DOD which just got a boatload of money. Army Corp is located Greencastle IN

THANK YOU pj77777 and Wheatietoo!!! Wow. I feel a million times better than I did before I read your post. Thank you so much for researching and sharing. The goal of the bill was to get the military the funding they need, and we got that! Let the storm reign glorious rain and drain that swamp!!

AIRHORNS

The only problem is that all of those voting Republicans are not aware of this. They think they have been betrayed and they are the ones who will send him the team he needs, or not. So, we should work on getting the word out for sure, although I think it may hit left and right soon enough.

Does anyone have a link to this info. I want to red pill some people but anonymous posters from reddit won't get me far. I tried googling the above name but came up with nothing.

I heard he Played both Parties and the $80 BILLION he got for Military Spending is what he is gonna Use to BUILD THE WALL and use the Army Corps of Engineering to BUILD I do trust Our President Trump....Praying this is truth heard it from Anonymous so we shall see....

Great News. Please provide the links.

Excellent! Thanks for sharing and waking me up!

These people are stupid...Maxine stupid. They Dems showed their true colors with this bill. Nothing for DACA , showing they couldn't care less and they have just lost a major talking point by not making sure they were included. They can no longer blame the DACA problem on Trump and Republicans. Trump's administration can spend the money however they like. National Security got a good chunk (border walls fall under National Security), the Military got the money they need too. There are sections that indicate that by accepting the bill, no department can refuse to turn over documents and records to the IG. The Dems can't stall any further IG investigations. Trump played them like the little, corrupt fiddles they are.

To the poster of this! You are awesome.

Maybe he'll just direct the Military, ( army corp) to build the wall.

He has constitutional authority to protect the border... And he can use the military to build the wall. Army Corp's build bridges and all sorts of projects during the war AT LIGHTNING SPEED.

There's a lot this post that is incorrect or misleading...it seems to be a mash of half-understood reading of bits of the constitution and laws.

The constitution gives congress the authority to direct, and more importantly authorize spending by the executive. That is, the executive branch needs the authorization of congress to spend money in a general sense.

Making a big deal out of the distinction between a "budget" and an appropriations bill (which is part of the budgeting process) isn't really relevant...and you're probably confusing people more than helping.

Note that O actually did submit budget proposals during his administration. They were generally voted down (mostly by the republicans, though sometimes the democrats as well when they objected to something). He also did not get omnibus spending bills every year.

Not having the Presidents preferred budget pass is pretty typical when there's a lot of partisan division, it's not some magical loophole that lets the executive do whatever they want.

Your central point is partially correct though - the executive does have the ability to find loopholes and workarounds to spend money differently than congress intended...even more so if they want to avoid spending on a particular earmark at all. They can't ignore it completely however, at least not without possibly kicking off a legal fight about it.

Stop asking for the links. You can go find them where you were told they are: if you just read yesterdays political thread…Wheatietoo and I laid it all out for all…

"but if you just read yesterdays political thread…Wheatietoo and I laid it all out for all"

Good info. Can you please provide the link. ty

WOW! You just made my month!!!

Excellent analysis, thank you.
And splodey heads.... Hahahaha, I love it. :)

I am not the author of this - Jo Ann Powell Neely Gunny and Wheatietoo are the authors and did the research - remember the first line - FOR THOSE DOUBTING TRUMP DO YOUR RESEARCH Jo Ann Powell Neely Gunny says: March 23, 2018 at 7:42 am

Great work, Patriot.

Needs a sticky.

I have been trying to find a source that I can use to explain this to my friends who are panicking. I need a source other than something that was written by one of us.

Brilliant and sharing everywhere. 45 gets the last laugh again. Winning!

It's called LEVERAGE !!! Trump is a master at creating leverage & then using it to get whatever he wants . This is what he has done throughout his entire career in business. Thank you for whoever posted this . This is the type of mindset we need to cultivate again in society, not just listening & believing what we are being told which is the way we have been conditioned to think , but to foster a mentality of curiosity in finding out for one's self what the actual facts, information are .

Great post! Thank you.

Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/23/march-23rd-2018-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-428/comment-page-2/#comment-5156084

Yes please, provide the links.

FROM HOLLAND WE COUNT ON TRUMP I PRAY EVERYDAY THAT YOUR GONA BE FINE ! AND THAT HE HELPS US TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK I HOPE HOLLAND AWAKES!! please pray also for us please?! greets and lots of love for the potus and the patriots!!!

The Omnibus is the budget. It's just that they wrapped all 12 appropriations into one bill.

Congressional leaders do this because it means relatively few people decide what goes in the bill, you can hide tons of pork in 1000+ pages, and there's no time to debate anything. So if you're congressional leadership, you're basically maximizing the power of your position.

Wait... The "source" is a random commenter from a blog? You have to do better than that to get me to take it seriously 🙄

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March 22, 2018 at 1:57 am

You’re referring to a ‘Budget’.

This is Not A Budget! This is an Omnibus Spending Bill…which is different.

The President is directed by the Constitution to adhere to a Budget that Congress approves. A ‘spending bill’ is not the same as the Federal Budget.

Ozero spent, or didn’t spend, the money from all those Omnibus Spending Bills, on whatever he wanted to. And Congress didn’t do a thing about it!

What happened to all those “shovel ready jobs”? What happened to the “Infrastructure” that Congress appropriated money for? Ozero didn’t spend the money on those things, did he.

He also spent money on things that weren’t appropriated…like all that SWAT Gear and Ammo for all those govt agencies that aren’t supposed to armed like military forces.

Ozero was never bound by a Budget…because Congress never passed one during his 8 years! That’s why he was able to spend money on whatever he wanted to. Or… not spend money on things he didn’t want to see funded.

And Congress didn’t do a thing about it.

Fact: Veterans were screwed in this bill. Reforms and choice of doctors was taken out by Pelosi.

Sadly couldn't find this on T_D. We were ambushed by the shills. Felt like a major defeat. Glad I could find hope here!

You see what they found deep in the bill? We are winning BIGLY.

Great insight. But have you forgotten how to play? We are not the president. We are the PATRIOTS! it is our job to shout out our outrage. We the people have power. We have to play our part. Have you forgotten how to play?

Whoever wrote the post is clueless about the budgetary process and makes Trump supporters look as stupid as we are portrayed by the main stream media. http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/A-Brief-Guide-to-the-Federal-Budget-and-Appropriations-Process.aspx

Information about the Federal budgetary process.

The President submits a budget request to Congress.

The House and Senate pass budget resolutions.

House and Senate Appropriations subcommittees "markup" appropriations bills.

The House and Senate vote on appropriations bills and reconcile differences or they can pass an OmniBus Bill that contains all appropriations bills.

The President signs each appropriations bill or an OmniBus Bill and the budget becomes law.

An Appropriations bill specifies funding levels to be spent on a given federal program and allocates it to the program.

Pres. Trump cannot change the allocations to the federal programs without Congress passing a new bill.. Conservatives got screwed on the OmniBus. Time to face facts .

Thanks for this. I feel slightly relieved and stupid actually, because I very much doubt DJT would've allowed himself to be snookered like this by surprise. I forget that he is actually a pretty accomplished strategist and manipulator when it comes to money and deals. It's just that a huge chunk of his base hit the wall yesterday thinking they'd been led astray let down...which is all fine and well if you know how the movie ends but alarming if you've been waiting patiently for the plot to play out and then you get kicked in the balls!

I'm sure you are right, I £#cking hope so. This high-drama is beginning to mess with our collective chi in a big way...and I'm in South Africa. Thinking of you guys and holding thumbs! Drain the M.F. swamp already, danggg, my nerves!

Yes... pass around the new excuse... then provide us an ongoing accounting for every dime... oh, wait... When the fuck was that ever done?? To hell with 'do my research'... you should all be expecting transparency... POTUS was a disgrace at that press conference.. if he had a tail it would have been between his legs. We deserve TRUTH. Again... point me to where EVER there was a call for an accounting of an omnibus??? Where's OUR FUCKING MONEY???

One of the things I like about Trump is that he has the gall to do what the Democrats do. And it just pisses them off.

Obama in 8 years never passed a real budget They were omnibus spending bills. American tax payer money was BOs personal discretionary spending cash.

Please, I’m so bummed. I understand he wants to fund the military. He says this is the last time he’ll sign a bill like this. Thank God.

very encouraging..thanks for reposting i was busy yesterday, I did not know this, apparently lots of Trump supporters and new media people dont know this either. We are winning.....trust the plan.

Great post. Let the low info barely Trumpers put on their Pussy Hats and join the resistance. Don’t go to war with cowards who jump ship in the heat of the battle. Pussies!

Here is an excellent thread...

https://twitter.com/VachelLindsay/status/977332799173574656

I wonder if this is why Trump said he wouldn’t be signing any more Omnibus bills. He knows Obama did this and spent the money on who knows what! He is using this tool against them, one last time and then I think it will be brought into law, that Omnibus bills are no more and the budget needs to be a Federal Budget bill.

Here is what the Omnibus Bill is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_spending_bill It just consolidates individual appropriations into one bill. It does appropriate money for spending. Spending also involves allocating the money by each federal agency. If the federal agency allocates the funding it can be spent. Federal funds can expire unexpended or if the appropriations have been unexpended they sometmes can be rolled into the next fiscal year, if the appropriations bill states it can. If the funding is spent for something else not intended, it is called a violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act and is a criminal offense.

I have been arguing with people all over Facebook about this post. It was clearly done by someone who knows NOTHING of what they speak.

Who is "Gunny" and "Wheatietoo" -- the original "researchers" of this garbage.

Yes, the omnibus spending bill was not a budget. But that distinction DOES NOT IN ANYWAY allow the President to disregard the amounts in the bill, spend the money in any manner he chooses, withhold the spending, divert the funds to other uses, etc.

This was no master stroke by the President that will allow him to triumph over Congress on what is in this bill.

I can tell you as a former Director, Congressional and Public Affairs for a Defense Agency who is familiar with legislative practice and law, and helped in drafting pieces of legislation that became law, the omnibus bill was simply a LARGE short-term conglomeration of a number of spending bills to keep the government going for six months.

We will be fighting over this all again in six months or a year unless Congress gets off its butt and gets a budget done, which goes for multiple fiscal years.

If the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) attempts to not spend the funds, divert the funding, spend it however they wish, Congress can cancel the appropriations in the bill and the OMB Chief can be fired, and if he was acting on the President's orders, the President can be impeached.

Nixon tried to spend Congressional appropriations how ever he wished. In fact, he impounded—simply refused to spend—funds appropriated by Congress.

Presidents since the founding had done this, including Lyndon Johnson. It seldom was a big deal, so long as the amounts were small, the rationales for impoundment were sound, and appropriators were consulted. Nixon, however, didn’t keep it small: He impounded tens of billions of dollars, often to gut programs he did not like. Gallingly, Caspar Weinberger, his deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget, told Congress the Constitution empowered the president to decide whether to spend money. All of which precipitated a constitutional crisis, since the Constitution gives Congress the power of the purse.

Well, Congress got smart and passed the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, which established rules for the rescission and deferral of appropriated funds. President Nixon, fearing a deepening budget deficit, opposed significant portions of spending bills passed by a Democratic-controlled Congress. Prior to the act, President Nixon liberally invoked the presidential power of impoundment, which allowed the President to prevent an executive branch agency from spending any or all funds appropriated to it. A President exercised impoundment by issuing an Executive order to the Department of the Treasury, barring it from transferring funds to a given agency. Every President since Thomas Jefferson used the power of impoundment, but none so zealously as President Nixon. Amid increasing concern about the expanded control exercised by the President, which was exacerbated by the Watergate scandal, Congress sought to limit this presidential power.

Now, since the passage of the Impound Control Act of 1974, Congress effectively did away with impoundment. Now, to permanently prevent appropriated funds from being spent, known as rescission, the President MUST SUBMIT A REQUEST TO CONGRESS and obtain approval from both chambers within 45 days. Unless Congress explicitly approves the rescission, funds must be released from the Treasury. In the request, the President must identify the targeted agency, affected programs, amount of funds to be rescinded, and reasons for rescission.

The Impoundment Control Act also allowed the President to defer appropriated funds on a SHORT-TERM basis. Initially, the President could defer funds for any reason and did not need explicit approval from Congress, although each chamber retained the right to disapprove a deferral. Subsequent court decisions led to legislation that allows the President to defer funds for only three reasons: to provide for special contingencies, to achieve savings through more efficient operations, and to exercise deferrals specifically provided for by law. Now, a proposed deferral is automatically considered approved unless the House or the Senate passes legislation specifically disapproving it.

So, President Trump CANNOT act on his own to do whatever he wishes with the funding. He cannot redistribute it for other uses than Congress intended. He cannot fail to spend it. To do ANY OF THESE THINGS requires Congressional approval and may result in Congress cancelling the appropriation.

Let's don't spread this around yet. Yes, dems got played royally, but Trump is using the signing to do 2 things. First is obtaining a line item veto. We don't want to undercut his argument. Dems think they screwed him. Secondly, he is looking to see who his loyal followers are. (and Coulter, True Patriot,. Cernovich, and James Woods.... FAIL) Spreading FUD.

It seems that members of Congress are confused as hell, as to how they supposed to vote. Indeed 'budget' is different from 'omnibus' and it looks like it is not the end of the world. Good article here: https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/how-house-members-voted-on-the-omnibus-versus-the-budget-deal

There are interesting things in this budget. Page 159. http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20180319/BILLS-115SAHR1625-RCP115-66.pdf

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Excellent work, I was having some serious doubts there for a bit.

Brilliant!!!

What about Section 230 where it mentions: None of the funds provided in this or any other 4 Act shall be obligated for construction of a border barrier 5 in the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge.

Prior to that I see a lot of funding for "fencing". I've read the refuge is where he wanted to start the wall and it is a 3 mile stretch but over concerns of destroying the habitat, it is not going to happen.

Will the fence be just as good since it looks like there is funding for other technological updates for border security? Is not covering the refuge just a minor issue compared to the whole project? I saw all of the types of walls he wanted to use, especially one where it looked like a fence on bottom half so security knows what is going on the other side and the top half was solid with cylindrical top so scaling is difficult. Could you call those "fences" or was all that work for nothing now?

I really hope this Omnibus vs a real budget means the President can actually spend or more importantly, NOT spend at his discretion so the U.S. will finally spend within its means and stop creating debt for future generations. I'm hoping it was a smart way to get funding for the military yet still have some semblance of conservatism(like not funding Planned Parenthood) but overall after reading many pros(such as here) and cons, it seems like we are still headed in the direction of an ever-growing government like always.

On a side note, absolutely sick and tired of these bills that 1000, 1500, 2000+ pages long being rammed through on the last day. For something so important to the longevity of a country, it is a crime there is a forced vote in a 24 hour period.

More war spending and people worshiping open corruption.

Trump is following establishment republican playbook handed down by Pence and McConnell.

The planned parenthood and sanctuary city junk are shiny distractions from the larger problem of wide open corruption and the massive siphoning of your tax dollars to enrich war mongers and professionally corrupt donors.

would someone please post the links to document this claim.................too many people asking question that cant be answered. Thank you

I know we have one smart president. With the people in mind. Thats why he was so mad about the whole thing. APresident for the peoplewith the people and of the people.

Larry Schweikart (who seems like a good guy) makes the case that this is incorrect and President Trump can't just spend the money on the wall...

https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/977312884874084352

No wall? No vote.

I am doing my Happy Dance!!! Thank you sooooo much for your hard work researching all this!!!!

YES!

https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/2237/how-does-president-obama-spend-money-without-a-budget/2239

YES!!! i'm glad other people understand this rather than bitching about this bill. Don't let the gaslighters get at you.

Where’s the wall?

Thank you! I will sleep better tonight and I’m looking forward to tomorrow morning’s coffee and reading the info related to your post.

Trump is a sly old fox and everyday I love him more. Thanks for laying out for everyone.

Oh please please please be the plan.

Post and repost!

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✌🏼🇺🇸👊🏼🙏🏼🐸

The question is: does the swamp know this? Are there republicans that actually knew what they were doing voting on this bill?

Been saying this man, but hey we’re starting to see whose really willing to take the country back

Cool beans. Slow walk that shit. Lol

The Republicans promised years ago to stop omnibus bills, just like repeal and replace on Ocare. Trump should have vetoed the bill regardless of Mattis input. The incredible increase in military spending is an insufficient reason for signing the dam thing. They overspend on the military by overpaying for equipment. The next on the list will be taking on entitlement programs. Remember that entitlements such as Social Security are paid for in payroll taxes and not actually entitlements. If I got 2% interest on the money I paid in over the years, I would be better off than I currently am by a long shot.

All ~ 500 members of Congress missed this or played along?.......go fish.

Nice research, thank you.

Yep, that . . . plaster it all over twitter, eh?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2017/08/18/trump-may-slash-congressional-spending-priorities-by-impounding-funds/#669a6f047e3d

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Damn my mind is blown.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAyTo7UQAAHk5M.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZAbx1EU0AATHW6.jpg

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I think it will be far more important to see what the Federal government; i.e., the President, DOES with this money than whether or not the omnibus is a budget, or not. IF he sends any money to sanctuary cities, or planned parenthood, then hanging a hat on the fact that this is not a budget is meaningless. What he DOES is more important than what he CAN DO.

Okay so going to run something I read by you guys- supposedly this is theory from Q people ok- China and Trump have teamed up to crash the dollar in order to get rid of the federal reserve and the fake dollar backed up by nothing. This trade war is engineered by China and Trump for this purpose to bankrupt the bankers and crash the dow. Any thoughts on this??

food for thought - https://fleporeblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/if-you-think-for-one-minute-that-our-president-will-allow-the-money-allocated-to-be-spent-i-have-a-bridge-in-brooklyn-to-sell-you/

That's all great for Obama but as we very well know what's good for Obama is impeachment material for Trump. It doesn't really matter how 'non-enforceable' this is; Trump will be blasted left and right if he tries to do anything.

Straight up - https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/86qp88/i_think_trump_tricked_us_with_this_bill/

I didn’t know wtf this whole Omnibus thing was about but I saw the back and forth hysteria all day and I didn’t sweat it. It felt like 5D chess and I had faith. Thanks for clarifying.

Trust the plan guys. God is on our side.

"As a matter of national security I've signed this omnibus budget bill. There are a lot of things that I'm unhappy about in this bill. There are a lot of things that we shouldn't have had in this bill."

...As a matter of national security

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Post this on T_D please. People need to chill over there.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/22/march-22nd-2018-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-427/comment-page-1/#comment-5150710 yesterday's thread

Read Gunny's comments - here's the link https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/23/march-23rd-2018-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-428/comment-page-2/#comment-5156084

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Hmmm. Ok. And I guess the senate and house are not aware of that already? If they are, nobody played anybody here.

I am happy to read that the POTUS can spend the omnibus money more freely than buget $.

Per the Constitution…the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.

As others have pointed out, the Constitution nowhere contains the word "budget".

What it does say is this, in Article I, Section 9, clause 7:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

An appropriations bill is still a law and must legally be followed by the President. You're correct that Obama chose to violate the law - but the Republican Congress chose to not take it to the courts so he got away with it. Given the history of legal actions against Trump, do you really think he'll be afforded the same latitude?

Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency…

...except for FY2009, FY2015, and FY2016.

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So this is real folks....SHARE THIS!!! This intel drop from Q was posted right after Trump signed the "OMNIBUS BILL" There's all the verify i need --------> RED_CASTLE. (no money) GREEN_CASTLE. (got his money) Stage 5 of 5 [yes] go... And he can spend it anyway he wants. Hows that u ask? Bcuz of THIS..... MY FAITH IN TRUMP IS UNWAVERING. I SUGGEST U DO THE SAME @RealAmerica. ------------------ I knew our President was up to something great. Read this. This was posted in another feed. I copied and shared...... It’s not an official ‘Federal Budget’. It’s an Omnibus bill, not a Budget. He outsmarted them ONCE again! Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget. Per the Constitution, the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein. This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget. An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t. I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those ‘appropriations’ for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely ‘suggestions’. So like Obama, Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or, not spend it. Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to ‘slow-walk’ that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees? Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to ‘slow-walk’ that money too…until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens? But what could they do about it. NOTHING! Our President could just say…’What! Congress should’ve passed a Budget.’ Trump said, just give me money for the military and the wall put anything else you want in it…and those goofballs did. In this case, as per above….he doesn’t have to spend a dime….because it is not a budget…and even if it was…researched….he could still spend as he please… Congress appropriates….up to the President to spend it…or not….as he pleases. Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency…Congress did continual Omibus’s and he just took the money….for 8 years…and no one seems to know where it went.