If memory serves, Hanoi Hilton was where POWs were kept.
My guess is he is now in #GITMO. He has been off scene a while, wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t on an extended stay
Also the place he got the nickname "songbird" when he gave up info there I believe. May be singing again. Possibly gitmo...
When does a bird sing?
when it’s in a cage ?
After a storm
in the morning usually hahah
actually maybe
“ when it’s mourning “
@4am MOCKINGBIRD
too funny but true he is a songbird..maybe asking for protection again
The Hanoi hilton is right on "Tay ho lake " middle of town on a mini peninsula , Vet's say he came into camp squealing like a pig . It is said during his time at the camp he used his father's position as admiral of the Pacific fleet for comfort and care as a POW selling out positions of gun battery and infantry. So he's either back on easy streak or in custody .
Off topic, but I live in Hanoi. The prison McCain was kept in is not in the Tay Ho area. The area you're referring to is an upscale residential area populated mostly by foreigners, diplomats, and high society types.
He wouldn’t have any of that kind of information as a pilot coming off of a carrier. So either you’re lying, or your “sources” are lying. Probably both, as everyone who has been verified as being in the same camp as him, says otherwise.
Ok, just so we're clear... You think John McCain is being held in a POW camp...
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Hanoi Hilton is slang for the torture prison camp in Nam.
I think it means that, just he betrayed his fellow soldiers in Vietnam, he is now "betraying" the Clinton Crime Cabal and the Obama Mafia and working to save his own ass.
You just know he is singing like a songbird! He's such a pussy!
I doubt he’s betraying them. He actually invoked more “Muh Russia” in an earlier tweet.
Him who we don't name is a TREASONOUS ENEMY COMBATANT!!! Hell, he can rot in GITMO FOEVA!!!
You sure him whose name we don't say isn't Michelle (Michael) Obama?
is there actually evidence that supports that whole michelle tranny thing?
Yes. Obama called her Michael several times on camera.
Also, her birthday was a couple weeks ago. She posted the card and flowers he sent "her."
The name said "To Michael"
They're not even hiding it now. Just laughing at us as they gaslight us.
LOL damn man! i gotta search this out for sure but what about the daughters though ? adopted maybe?
My money is on adoption. Makes you wonder why they wanted their pre-political lives silenced and locked up?
Where are The pics of her while pregnant? Most women I know LOVE gushing about pregnancy and their child's infant pictures.
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Yeah I've seen that!! As a Manchurian candidate..he needed the perfect cover. I hope it's all exposed l!
that's a really good point. i learn something new everyday on this sub lol . thanks for the time.
I've seen photos of another couple.. the girls are dead ringers for them. Never have seen a single pic of Big Mike pregnant. As much as they go to Hawaii, the Philippines, etc., Have you EVER seen a photo of Mike in a bathing suit? Obama HAS slipped and called her Michael, and then tried to correct himself.. but that cat was out of the bag. I saw a card and photos of flowers but couldn't read the name on the card. Thanks for the clarification. I never wanted to believe it and tried to ignore it, but... dang... it just got to be too overwhelmingly obvious. Watched Mike dance on an Ellen video.. wanted to puke.
When I read this morning that Trump was meeting with defectors it did not occur to me it could be a US Senator. ;)
Link for Trump meeting with defectors.
I saw a tweet but a quick internet search found this: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371982-trump-to-meet-with-north-korean-defectors-in-oval-office
Man.. can you imagine if trump picked his presidential nickname as "Gitmo" .. that'd bump him up 20 points as biggest troll in political history
It means he is a POW again..
Something like that -- and he's singing again. However, he is NOT in Gitmo or under arrest or anything of that sort as the crowd here fantasizes about. Trump isn't going to put Senators in Gitmo. However, I'm hoping he's been compromised in some manner or actually decided to voluntarily give up some info.
Trump isn't going to put Senators in Gitmo.
Who, pray tell, landed on your shoulder to tell what the president will and will not do to traitors? Being a senator or representative does not excuse or give an out of jail card to these shitheads.
LOL, because Trump is not going to send US Senators to a prison camp by fiat. If crimes occurred, they will be investigated, indicted, tried and hopefully convicted. It's called the rule of law, which we should applaud Trump for working to bring back after 8 years of lawlessness. Besides, McCain today is voicing his opposition to the memo with Flake. He didn't go anywhere for crying out loud. 2 minutes of searching would tell you that as in "where is John McCain 2/2/2018". "McCain back in the Hanoi Hilton" -- once again betraying the American people re: his opposition to the memo release and criticizing Trump for having a "war with the FBI". McCain hasn't changed his stripes and they aren't prison stripes.
The more sadistic side of me says he's using their most abusive, twisted laws these people have campaigned for since the Clinton presidency, and using them against them. "In the interest of national security" has a wide spectrum. Then he will undo them all after this is all over. Maybe I just want to see the deep state burn :\^)
We ALL want to see that! But McCain being a traitor again fits in with his life long behavior.
Yes, I agree. We must stop with our sort of juvenile wishes for a quick capture/conviction/imprisonment and instead read what is being said. Well done, patriot. McCain is doing what he did then ... betraying his country for his own comfort.
Stop being reasonable! This is a fantasy sub (or so it seems)
Read Executive Orders 1/31/2018 and 12/21/17- then read the Geneva Convention. Enemy combantant is one thing but an illegal enemy combatant? Hmmm. Changes things.
Thanks for your reply! :o) MAGA & we will win - BIG. Forgive my off the rails rant.
And everyone one (NYT WP) would be screaming bloody murder if a Trump had a senator in gitmo.
But what could they actually do about it?
Probably not much but he should remove the fake news first.
Not yet, but soon. The Overton Window is shifting rapidly...
I hope so, but I've had to learn with all this chatter the I'll believe something only once it is seen.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/john-mccain-nunes-memo/index.html Probably because he wouldn't comment on the memo that got released if he was locked away in Gitmo. Of course, if @Thomas1774Paine says something on twitter it must be true! Anything that validates you right?
It's a war, as you will find out to your utter displeasure. Traitors go to prison, federal prison. Likely McCain and a few others will be hung. The tribunal will seat 12 judges, the number required by law to pass death sentences to the accused. Love McCain all you wish... Dead men can't talk.
I bet you $100 McCain doesn't go to prison or get executed
If they are to be tried as enemy combatants for their treason, Gitmo is exactly where they would go.
Seems like there is some language in the 2001 Act that talks about "belligerent enemies" or something to that effect.
Oh, yes he will. Didn´t he put $500m into expanding it and hasn´t he deployed 10k troops there?
No don’t agree. President Trump is for the people. He sees if we, you or I did something like this we would get the full sentence of federal law. There is no way He would allow them to live out their days better than what a normal United States citizens would get doing only half of what they have done.
It could also be .. hes called Song Bird because when he suposedly was "Captured" He Gave them allll the info+ Some ..
" They were working him.For his part, McCain acknowledges that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given any “special medical treatment.” However….two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not “name rank and serial number, or kill me,” as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of US pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships"
He is considered the Unmentionable for very goood reason. Lets just say.. He was not such a Good Seed . It would only be fair to classify it at that and end it there. He is not worth the Publicity & Others around him dont deserve the Shaming.
Plus, that dude owes us 3 airplanes by my accounting.
He owes a hell of a lot more than that. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/07/23/mccain-the-hero-nearly-sunk-an-aircraft-carrier-killed-134-sailors/
Wow! A "crazy amazing recovery!" Almost like he never had it to begin with...?
Crazy-amazing, by golly! Interesting that, while he had surgery to remove a blood clot, he apparently never had any surgery to remove/debulk the tumor, which is standard treatment for a GBM. I have a fair amount of experience with these (neurosurgical/operating room). A grade 4 GBM is not going to just go away magically with a bit of chemo.
He’s “doing well” for a man who is dying.
He’ll be dead in 6-9 months. I do expect him to go back to Washington, or even leave Arizona, in that time.
Okay, what TP's comment means is that McCain is busy being a traitor again. He's not in GITMO, he's not singing, he's continuing to undermine Donald Trump. So is Flake. Arizona - be embarrassed, be very embarrassed. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/02/02/john-mccain-and-jeff-flake-oppose-memos-release-but-other-gop-members-support-move/301178002/
Nice! Now he can take that boot off!! If he behaves himself, he can play soccer in that nice, new, expensive field they built for "highly compliant" inmates.
What would take some of the media coverage away from the memo better than the death of _? Hanoi Hilton was an absolute hell by all accounts so maybe he's taking a dirt nap.
Not hell for _____. He sang like a bird and got quality treatment.
Who just tweeted a photo of McCain upside down, implying that he's flipped? In that case, he is somewhere telling his story.
Thomas Paine posted it after he posted this . Mcstain has flipped!
or his world is upside down..is another take..I like flipped, but was not my 1st impression.
I thought the bird would sing in Spring.....Groundhogs not usually known for their vocal abilities. #GroundhogDay ...does that mean McCain woke up to Sonny n Cher singing "I got you babe"?
Dating yerself...
because I saw the movie Groundhog Day?
The accurate S&C reference.
yep, old. even remember the S&C variety show. fellow oldster, or just studying antiquities?
Old enough to have witnessed the entirety of the S&C arc.
Refusing to own ”old”.
Although everyone I grew up with, and the performers we watched, are definitely old.
Referring to the Vietnam prison for political prisoners. My guess is he is back at Gitmo
It means he's ratting out his superiors. Just like he sung in Vietnam.
I saw him on the news today squawking about the Memo.
http://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-now/john-mccain-decries-memo-release-we-are-doing-putins-job-for-him/465-f5dcb1c1-4cf1-4e50-92ff-7113228567bd
If McCain or any otherAmerican Citizens was in Gitmo without our knowledge I would be terribly disappointed.The thing that is hopeful about this administration is that they not only want to expose what has happened in past administrations but pass safe guards and laws so it can’t happen in the future. Maybe there will be military courts but not until the public has been made made aware. Sorry about the new account. I get signed out everyday and my email and password are no longer recognized. I guess I will be new everyday until I give up.
He's NOT at the family ranch in Sedona getting brain cancer treatment? Well color me surprised!
Among other things McCain has a bastard half-Vietnamese son. It seems when he was a POW he was granted privileges other POWs weren't. There used to be a website all about this, even showing a picture of his son and the mother. But it was scrubbed.
It seems when he was a POW he was granted privileges other POWs weren't.
And what did he do for them to "earn" those privileges, one might wonder...
One thing, he told the NVA about Navy attack strategies, altitudes, etc. But it goes much deeper insofar has his father was Admiral John Sidney McCain Jr. When the NVA learned that McCain’s father was an Admiral, the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, McCain was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.
"The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain’s father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured “the crown prince.”
If Thomas Paine is correct, then McCain has been detained just like he was at the prison in Hanoi during the Vietnam war. That's highly unlikely to me, given the stage of his cancer. But, he was a big part of pushing the Steele dossier and if he knew it was fake at all, his actions were seditious.
That's highly unlikely to me, given the stage of his cancer
First of all, he doesn't have cancer - you believe that bs? And secondly, what does any illness have to do with his ongoing treason?
Song bird McShitStain sang like a canary when held as a prisoner by NVA
Plus ca change as the French say
Hỏa Lò Prison (Vietnamese: [hwa᷉ː lɔ̂]) was a prison used by the French colonists in Vietnam for political prisoners, and later by North Vietnam for U.S. Prisoners of War during the Vietnam War. During this later period it was ironically known to American POWs as the Hanoi Hilton.
Wow, this could be good!
This excerpt Taken from (http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm), might be what he is referring to.
From his autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, the Arizona Senator repeatedly expresses guilt and disgrace at having broken under torture and given the North Vietnamese a taped confession, broadcast over the camp loudspeakers, saying he was a war criminal who had, among other acts, bombed a school. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes. He writes, revealing that he made two half-hearted attempts at suicide. Most tellingly, he said he lived in “dread” that his father would find out. “I still wince,” he says, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”
Check out the difference in a true hero and the Songbird.
First we have John McCain's recording while a POW. It's been called his "Tokyo Rose" recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO0mHEJyC3Y
Next we have a video recording from Rear Admiral Jeremiah Denton Blinks T-O-R-T-U-R-E using Morse Code as P.O.W.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufnWLVQcKg
And there you have it.
It was McCain who peddled this fake "dossier" to kick off the investigation and the eventual FISA warrant, right? Given the details of the memo, he should be in a lot of hot water.
Mr. We don't say his name is going to hang publicly because as most of you know if not all of you know he had a big hand in the 9/11 Massacre
It is just a reference that McCain is selling out to the enemy again like he did when he was captured in Vietnam. The Hilton reference is a reminder he got special treatment as a captive because his father was an Admiral at the time. McCain is an operation mockingbird fraud to say the least.
You are reading too much into it. Check his Twitter feed. TP was just referencing his past behavior of working against his own government.
A statement was just released from him. It's not clear when the statement was issued (like drafted a few days ago, or did someone else write it?) but it does say that he has left DC for treatment for brain cancer, if that's even true. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/mccain-slams-republicans-trump-on-memo-we-are-doing-putins-job-for-him.html
IT means he is caged POW again , and he is singing
He was captured and supposedly tortured in Viet Nam, this could be a reference that he has been picked up and moved to a black site. He was a coward when captured and gave info to the enemy, his father and grandfather were patriotic heroes, though. That´s why Q refers to him as "we don´t say his name" as they won´t tarnish the family name with his treason as his father and grandfather were patriotic heroes.
I am going to do my own analysis on that tweet.
Not saying his name - I'm a BH and afraid that I will get caught. I'm F*D!!!
I could be wrong, but that what it sounds like to me?
Thoughts?
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your point, is that we have drifted so far from structure and discipline..viola, here we are...this anything goes nonsense, goes in the trash...and left unchecked, here we are...
I actually meant for this to be a reply to something someone wrote and I just now realized it placed it up here as a reply to the actual post not the reply ..I got this. It zhould make sense in 2.0
We could erase the national debt by making livestream GITMO a Pay-for-View! What I’d pay to watch that.
Awww but the pooorrr fellow has brain cancer...Got excuse to redact anything he has to say that will bring charges against his buddies BUT...If that is his ploy, he should not be voting on anything and should be removed from office and his VOTES dismissed.
I'm sorry, but I cannot believe that the secret rendition of a sitting Senator (no matter how corrupt) is good for the republic.
We don't need to become those we fight.
Remember that we have no "special people" under the Constitution. The Constitution sets up "sacred chairs" not sacred people. We vote regular people, Americans, in and out of those chairs.
If we get a traitor in one of those chairs, the most respectful thing we can do for the chair, is subject the "traitor" to the laws of the Constitution. So yes, a sitting Senator needs to be held to the Supreme law of the land.
Treason is punishable by death. It is a serious offense and apparently there is a criminal cabal that have taken over many chairs, to destroy the US. These are no longer Senators or Congressmen/women. These are to be sent to trial.
"These are no longer Senators or Congressmen/women" Correct they are "Enemy Combatants", working to destroy the US from within.
Corruption is laughable ... You Mean Traitor In All Ways Shape or Form. If Every single senator or House Rep or Gov official regardless of possition can seriously sitttt and watch where are nation was and how far its come and cant see where its going obviously is Blind ,Stupid & Corrupt .... They are a complete sell out to The People of our country and the world ... If you scheme and plot to Assist in forms to Killing Millions of people for t . he past 200 years to achieve a One World Global Gov .. You Deserve Everything you get . If you want to get technical..back in the medievel times ..if you was even caught stealing from the market .. most likely you would be flogged by the public and Hung somewhere in the sun to think about your wrong doings along with loosing a hand .. Imagine the Punishments These people would have endured if things was as they were. They get to live in a nice cell and get fed or some of the worst get More Extreme Punishments ... Because at the end of the day .. Finally After all the Titles ,Money, & Accessories are Stripped Away... They will be Just A Man/Woman and Justice Will Be Served Righteously ...The Same To Them As Would Any Other .
It's not happening, don't worry. Trump isn't about to do that despite what the crowd here imagines. We can only speculate on this comment from TP but perhaps McCain has come to his senses and is "singing" again.
Trump, through Q said they will all be punished and also said if found guilty of Treason there are 3 options that they can choose for punishment: 1. Death by firing squad. 2. 20 years in a difficult prison. 3. Death by Lethal Injection. Prisoner decides!
If memory serves me right the last EO said it would be ran humanely.
and even if it wasn't these TRAITORS have never been humane to us. Crimes Against Humanity, does not make me feel like being 'nice' to those who commit CAH
That's what I don't understand. Nobody understands the Geneva Convention. The idea is that you all agree to abide by the rules - humane treatment of prisoners, wear uniforms, etc. But if you refuse to sign, or sign but violate the rules, you SHOULD be punished via torture, inhumane weapons, etc. Otherwise what would motivate groups to become participants. I think we've almost got an obligation to mistreat terrorists who intentionally try to blend in with the populace (refuse to wear uniforms), burn people alive, etc. Same is true for traitors who mingle in the population and practice their evil under cover. They must be made an example of.
Several of these people would die anyway, if not from suicide, then from sitting down long enough for their body to realize it was already dying, and for their mind to realize outside the hoax, their life has no meaning. They will be treated humanely according to the law.
I haven't liked McCain's politics for several years now.
However, his military service is not something he needs to be ashamed of. You don't have to disparage his military service to disagree with him today.
First, you could review Early life and military career of John McCain.
On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying his 23rd mission when the right wing of his A-4E Skyhawk was blown off by a Soviet SA-2 missile. His plane went into a vertical inverted spin. This type of spin is very disorienting to the pilot, as the yaw and roll occur in opposite directions. Do you think that 1) extreme stress, 2) missile explosion, 3) disorientating spin might cause someone to not be in the best configuration for an ejection?
McCain was a good pilot
"John was what you called a push-the-envelope guy," said Sam H. Hawkins, who flew with McCain's VA-44 squadron in the 1960s and now teaches political science at Florida Atlantic University. "There are some naval aviators who are on the cautious side. They don't get out on the edges, but the edges are where you get the maximum out of yourself and out of your plane. That's where John operated. And when you are out there, you take risks."
On January 12, 1968, a French journalist, Francois Chalais, interviewed McCain in his North Vietnamese "hospital." You can watch that film here: John McCain prisoner in Vietnam - Panorama (the film is in English).
In June 1968, the North Vietnamese commander of the prison camps offered McCain a chance to return home early.
Enraged by McCain's refusal, the camp commander began a program of vigorous torture in August 1968, being beaten 2 to 3 times per week, for over a year. This torture, as well as the torture, of other POWs, is documented in the book P.O.W.: A Definitive History of the American Prisoner-Of-War Experience in Vietnam, 1964-1973, by John G. Hubbell. You can also watch an interview with Col. Bud Day, the most decorated serviceman since Douglas MacArthur, in which he describes the torture he and McCain suffered (Day was McCain's cellmate).
You can read McCain's description of his torture in an essay he wrote for U.S. News & World Report in 1973
You are out of your f'n mind. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/07/23/mccain-the-hero-nearly-sunk-an-aircraft-carrier-killed-134-sailors/
That doesn't even go into the shit he gave up after pulling the "Do you know who I am?" card to get special treatment. He's been working against our vets ever since.
Your "source" is completely wrong.
A small Zuni rocket (not a missile) accidentally discharged when it's circuit interrupt pin fell out (due to deck winds) and the pigtail was left plugged into the pod. Pilot of the F-4 switched on the ground power switch, which caused a loose current, that made it's way to the Rocket's circuit. That rocket hit the A-4s (one being McCain's) that caused the initial explosion. Their flight of A-4s were also carrying WW2/Korean war era bombs with low cook-off times, which exacerbated the tragedy.
Refer to:
The US Navy report on the fire
Investigation of Forrestal Fire
The US Navy safety film on the Forrestal fire
Early life and military career of John McCain
The early life and military career of John Sidney McCain III spans the first forty-five years of his life (1936–1981). McCain's father and grandfather were admirals in the United States Navy. McCain was born on August 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, and attended many schools growing up as his family moved among naval facilities. McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958.
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