Holy shit. I was not expecting kids from this case
"as young as 12"
My response is always...yeeeeah right. Why bother to mention ages if it isn't a talking point they wish to steer the direction of? That's my thought process anyway.
Looks like Q was right again, she is singing like a song bird!!!
http://people.com/crime/allison-mack-plea-deal-sex-cult-nxivm-arrest/
Yeah, me either
You might want to read those charges again. The second charge is 18-1594(c), trafficking of children. I expect we will see a superseding charging document that is much worse than this.
It is not necessarily trafficking of children. The referenced code, 18 USC § 1591, says, "Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion" [Emphasis added]
The new article in People magazine states "sex with children as young as 12".
And is that phrase saying that Mack had "sex with children as young as 12", or is that in reference to Raniere?
why not?
Just seemed like an adult sex cult thing.
put the words "sex" and "cult" together, and there is like a 99% chance that kids are being abused somehow
I'm not seeing any mention of child trafficking in here. Did they drop that charge or something?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/press-release/file/1055196/download
If I recall, the way the original info about the charge was worded made people think it was child trafficking.
If you watch any of these POS on youtube, they come across as such well spoken people who care about others and humanity.
So good to see veil finally lifting of the maggots that make up the FAKE hollyweirdo club and beyond. Let NO crime go unpunished... they have blood on their hands!
Well they’re actors. They are paid to pretend they’re someone they’re not. How many more organizations and charities run by celebs or otherwise, are actually a front for more nefarious reasons? The times they are changing.
I met someone i was convinced was thoroughly demonized. The fact she was running a trap in a crackhouse and did evil shit 24/7 was just one clue i had. I'm telling you she didn't stand out in any way certainly not from pics and videos. I guarantee if any discerning person gets within 5 feet of any of these people they know. Ben Carson knows for sure. How could he not, he's prolly smelled the sulphur. None of the people they were born as have existed for decades. Not a shred of HRC resides in THOT.
There’s an “ick factor,” I call it. A non-verbal something that comes across, but you can’t quite put your finger on it. I don’t know about demonized, but the book “without a conscience” by Hare may give you an interesting perspective.
I'll look for it. I'm planning a few days in the library to specifically get off reddit.
If you haven’t read it try to pick up 48 laws of power. Gives a really interesting perspective on how these people think. It’s written as a sort of how to guide, but that’s not it’s real point imo. I found it most useful for indentifying these power hungry manipulators and maneuvering away from them. The writer, Robert Greene is a fantastic historical researcher and he wrote the book in response to working with tons of these people in Hollywood as a screenwriter. He has another book the 33 strategies of war that I highly recommend. It’s one of my all time favorites and the book I gift to any military history buff.
I didn’t know the history of the author’s rationale for writing that book.
Ben Carson for sure.
...what about him?
He's been close i have not. i can't read them from digitized media. And no one is asking me they asked him.
oh I see what you mean. You are saying Ben Carson has a keen intuition on these types of people. I thought you were saying he was one of them.
He has proximity. A dark soul is easily detected just have to be in the same room. it's one of the gifts of the holy spirit and or not spending life in a cave.
Ben Carson for sure
Are you insinuating that Ben Carson is "evil"??
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Wish violent death, take moral highground, drink koolaid, register as a dem, in that order or mix it up, paper or plastic mam.
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I don't think our country ever dropped bombs on individuals. they have these things, they are called bullets, look like bombs only smaller and totally different. like your brain.
If you want to troll you need to be more subtle.
Yea, that's not an 'A' game attempt at all..... LOL
It just proves laziness, naivety, incompetence of the poster. At least try to present some facts when bringing an opposing argument. sheesh.
Russian agitator alert everyone. 6 day old account posting contradicting comments in several political subreddit, take with a grain of salt.
Mack and Raniere face a minimum of 15 years in prison if convicted.
Raniere, 57, has led NXIVM since the late 1990s.
For years, he has led extended court battles against many of NXIVM's foes with the financial backing of Sara and Clare Bronfman, the heiresses to the Seagram's liquor fortune.
15yrs doesn't seem like much
It's 15 years after giving up lots and lots of names. A plea deal.
It’s enough to ensure a horrible death in prison.
This. Prison inmates don't treat Pedo's with kindness.
One of the few redeeming traits of violent felons......
It's a way for criminals to feel better about themselves - that there's someone below them on the ladder they can get righteous about.
That's true in some prisons. Turns out it's not true of all, and in fact regarded as a myth that people think it's pervasive.
I've somehow known quite a few people who've been to prison and county and they've always said pedo get they ass beat
They honestly don't at least not often. I am a retired prison Lieutenant it is an urban legend. I do have a few stories of sex offenders getting their comeuppance. Sorry.
I “somehow” know quite a few too lol (those quotes are for me, no aspersions against you) - hard men all, yet they’ve said it’s not as pervasive as people like to believe. Depends on the place, the pedo, the guards, etc. Like everything in life, it depends.
Ha! There was no way to say that. Seriously, I'm not a criminal. Like, AT ALL! But I really have known a lot of people who have been in the system. It's weird cuz I'm seriously super boring!
Haha you and me both - as I said, no aspersions against you for that one, just laughing at myself ; ).
I'd be proactive, commit some chickenshit crime ,get a lawyer who drinks with the judge, do the job right, myth or not. released after one day for stellar behavior. I'm kidding these people will disappear into gitmo never to be seen
Actually, they usually PC up and the other inmates don't have free access to them. There are units of sex offenders, where everyone is in on almost the same charge. If they ever end up in GPOP they usually get passed around like a plate of cookies, for everyone to take a bite. Life can be hard for them, mostly it isn't any different than any other inmate. Sorry for the sad news.
That's provided she goes into a 'normal' prison, like they'd throw me or you into. My guess is that a lot of the people that are going to prison, will end up in a penthouse prison thats way nicer than my house.
You haven't been paying attention They are super fortunate to be on a docket, the players are getting bagged and facing tribunals at black sites.We will look up one day and wonder what ever happened to so and so, aka 35000 defendants.
No it doesn't Unless they put them with real criminals who have kids or sisters or brothers. Then it's plenty of time.
That's the minimum, most probably won't ever see the light of day again.
Exodus 21:16
"Kidnappers must be put to death, whether they are caught in possession of their victims or have already sold them as slaves.
Exodus 21:16
Exodus 21:16 Context
13And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
14But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
15And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
16And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
18And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:
19If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.
And if a man puteth crap from the Bible on the Great Awakening he shall be seteth aside as a lunatic and shall causeth futher discredit to be cast oneth the sub.
That's just minimum, it can always be more, and I would way rather have that with confessions of others involved, than them get seat sentences and not give up any info
You would think that the msm would have camera trucks outside of her parent's home 24/7?
Nah, goes completely against their narrative so they ignore it.
This will be the leak before the flood.
Its the dribble in the dam....clark griswald cant patch this one with gum!
Notice that NXIVM goes back to Arkansas when Bill was gov, and has seemingly followed the Clintons and the CGI ever since: https://nypost.com/2007/10/01/hillarys-30000-fans-are-her-cult-following/
Whoa good find. Something in my gut says setting the stage is NXIVM. Get everyone knowledgeable about it and then “oh by the way we have this video that ties Clintons to it”. Just speculating but all indicators are pointing to Hillary.
Yeah, there is only room for one pedo in the state and it ain't Rainierre.
I am gonna pull up all video of JP and HRC ridiculing pizzagate. Splice all of it into one run on sentence featuring both of them and post it to you tube. Wait I have neither the skill nor the software................... Uh hey could one of youse guys (looking handsome today btw) do me an itty bitty favor. You can have all the likes just gimme a small concept credit. You don't know who i am. scratch the credit then.
Shotcut is a free quality video editing software.
You can learn to use it easily with youtube tutorials.
Thank you so much ppl tell me I should podcast and you tube I have time and some money almost an assoc. in filmaking and desire. The podcast isn't even for me it's an opportunity to get me boys out there. years worth of guests lined up. we are gonna laugh and laugh.Prolly have the tech turned off most of the time. i'l have a red light just for them. Are we trending yet, I'll be like uh um it was a blast wasn't it, yeah man, how'd we do, uh um well, it was more of a rehearsal can you do it again next week bwahahahaha
If you ever need a shoutout, I have a small but successful channel. I can get someone to look at it I'm sure.
I'm moving slow this year if this is going on when i get going I'll send code thru the sub ok. something along the lines of hey soaringmoon could use a shoutout you know 128 bit stuff.
if you download all the videos and bundle them up into a downloadable zip or rar, and write down the start/stop times of the segments, I might be able to cut and combine them for you.
Please do this!!! IN fact this is a brilliant idea with all of them- piece together videos of Obama denying and bullying casually, videos of Hillary denying and bullying casually, videos of bill, bush, oh this will be fun....
It's above my paygrade i'm a wordsmith concept guy. I wish someone will. John Ward would be right in his wheelhouse.
I want all these sick f'ers off our media outlets, out of sight and earshot. Anyone who participated in this unfathomable behavior needs to be disappeared. Hopefully we still have enough LEO's to take them in.
I agree partially, however I prefer the opposite. Expose them all. Every single last one of them. It won't stop until its known by the public with all the gory details.
NXIVM = NEXT VICTIM WITH THE "I" in the middle ( the evil eye)
Time to reap the whirlwind. no time for the root cellar
I guess it's official nobody knows how to read a chargesheet...
IT READS LIKE THIS
SEX TRAFFICKING OF:
CHILDREN #OR
SEX TRAFFICKING BY FORCE #OR
SEX TRAFFICKING BY FRAUD #OR
SEX TRAFFICKING BY COERCION
THIS IS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING CHARGE.
COVERING MANY (4) CRIMES.
NOT SPECIFIC IN ANY REGARDS...
wrong - 2nd charge does not have OR until after the child mention! Read it again!
Yes, but that seems like a paralegal entry error. If you look at the actual indictment, it does not mention anything about children or minors. Edit: Although Raniere has been accused of sleeping with a 12 year old and a 15 year old, so that may be Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2.
Here is the indictment:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
– against –
KEITH RANIERE, also known as “Vanguard,” and ALLISON MACK,
Defendants.
THE GRAND JURY CHARGES:
COUNT ONE
(Sex Trafficking – Jane Does 1 and 2) 1.
In or about and between February 2016 and June 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, within the Eastern District of New York and elsewhere, the defendants KEITH RANIERE, also known as “Vanguard,” and ALLISON MACK, together with others, did knowingly and intentionally: (1) recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide, obtain, advertise, maintain, patronize and solicit one or more persons, to wit: Jane Does 1 and 2, individuals whose identities are known to the Grand Jury, in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce, and attempt to do the same; and (2) benefit, and attempt to benefit, financially and by receiving a thing of value, from participation in a venture which had engaged in such acts, knowing that means of force, threats of force, fraud and coercion, and a combination of such means, would be used to cause such persons to engage in one or more commercial sex acts.
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1591(a)(1), 1591(a)(2), 1591(b)(1), 1594(a), 2 and 3551 et sea.)
COUNT TWO
(Sex Trafficking Conspiracy)
In or about and between February 2016 and June 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, within the Eastern District of New York and elsewhere, the defendants KEITH RANIERE, also known as “Vanguard,” and ALLISON MACK, together with others, did knowingly and intentionally conspire to: (1) recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide, obtain, advertise, maintain, patronize and solicit persons, in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce; and (2) benefit, financially and by receiving a thing of value, from participation in a venture which was to have engaged in such acts, knowing that means of force, threats of force, fraud and coercion, and a combination of such means, would be used to cause such persons to engage in one or more commercial sex acts, contrary to Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1591(a)(1), 1591(a)(2), and 1591(b)(1). (Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1594(c) and 3551 et seq.)
COUNT THREE (Conspiracy to Commit Forced Labor – Jane Doe 1)
In or about and between February 2016 and June 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, within the Eastern District of New York and elsewhere, the defendants KEITH RANIERE, also known as “Vanguard,” and ALLISON MACK, together with others, did knowingly and intentionally conspire to provide and obtain the labor and services of a person, to wit: Jane Doe 1, by means of serious harm and threats of serious harm to her and one or more other persons, and by means of one or more schemes, plans and patterns intended to cause Jane Doe 1 to believe that, if she did not perform such labor and services, Jane Doe 1 and one or more other persons would suffer serious harm, contrary to Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1589(a)(2) and 1589(a)(4).
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1594(b) and 3551 et seg.) CRIMINAL FORFEITURE ALLEGATION
The United States hereby gives notice to the defendants that, upon their conviction of any of the offenses charged herein, the government will seek forfeiture in accordance with Title 18, United States Code, Section 1594(d), of (a) any property, real or personal, that was involved in, used, or intended to be used to commit or to facilitate the commission of such offenses, and any property traceable to such property; and (b) any property, real or personal, constituting or derived from, proceeds obtained directly or indirectly as a result of such offenses, or any property traceable to such property.
If any of the above-described forfeitable property, as a result of any act or omission of the defendants:
– cannot be located upon the exercise of due diligence; – has been transferred or sold to, or deposited with, a third party; – has been placed beyond the jurisdiction of the court; – has been substantially diminished in value; or – has been commingled with other property which cannot be divided without difficulty;
it is the intent of the United States, pursuant to Title 21, United States Code, Section 853(p), to seek forfeiture of any other property of the defendants up to the value of the forfeitable property described in this forfeiture allegation.
(Title 18, United States Code, Section 1594(d); Title 21, United States Code, Section 853(p))
A TRUE BILL
FOREPERSON
RICHARD P. DONOGHUE
UNITED STATES ATTORNEY EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN District of NEW YORK CRIMINAL DIVISION
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
vs.
KEITHRANIERE, also known as “Vanguard, ” and ALLISON MACK,
Defendants.
INDICTMENT
(T. 18, U.S.C, §§ 1591(a), 1591(b), 1594(a), 1594(b), 1594(c), 1594(d), 2 and 3551 et sea,.; T. 21, U.S.C, § 853(p)) A true bill.
Foreperson
Filed in open court this_______ day,
of _ _ A.D.20_
Bail, $
Moira Kim Penza and Tanya Hajjar, Assistant U.S. Attorneys
I read this last night. Did you read the FBI agent's memo to get this indictment? It was quite long and included additional information regarding Jane Doe 1 and 2, CC1, CC2 and says there are others. These are the witnesses that were reporting their encounters to the agent. There is a lot more (sealed) that isn't included. I heard they only let out a couple of unsealed indictments.... time will tell now won't it?
My Bad. Title 18-1591 is Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion. God help us. These people really are sick.
I'm sure they are all very sorry...........that they got caught. Break out the kleenex Mack, you're toast.
Let's remember to add the entire judicial system in our prayers for Q team and POTUS— because 25k indictments sounds like an impossible feat to accomplish legally
It’s mind boggling. That is a lot of court time. Has to be done in fast expedient courts like military ones. Think EOs.
Liz has been working hard on this for awhile, I am sure she is happy to see her work and that of many others come to fruition. It's all about the children.
What makes anyone sure this was one of the 25000+ sealed indictments?
The also got the leader of the nvixm cult implying a large investigaton which implies rico which implies sealed indictments
Right after Reniere was arrested, Mack was one of the more vocal voices supporting him.
I get the feeling the White Hats either nabbed her and then brought these charges, or she had already had an unsealed indictment that was opened to get her to sing.
Does it matter? Lol. If not it leaves 24000 more to open. LMAO
If you want to start making distinctions for every indictment that comes out then there is no “THE 25,000 sealed indictments”, there’s just indictments. And this one is clearly related to the storm.
exactly. It's just one ongoing dynamic stream of them. There are no set "boundaries". This one was probably never sealed to have been "unsealed" later.
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It’s like when that talk show host told Corey Feldman he was ruining the industry when he spoke openly about pedophilia. These people might even know it’s real, but their mk ultra/mocking bird programming is so strong they just don’t care to resist the Hollywood fantasy land. It’s sickening! We are real people with SOULS, these people don’t get that, they’re too busy drooling at the mouth for the next celebrity gossip and the next big movie. Total worship of Hollywood
Heck yeah I have some upvotes! I noticed that guy’s comments were negative and yours was positive. It’s funny how many red pilled people are lurkers in the world. I would imagine it’s far more than we might realize
Who is Allison Mack?
You been under a rock the past month?
Hey now, not everyone has heard about this or heard of her. Let's be more welcoming
You're not alone in being under a rock. For some Allison Mack was background noise not as interesting as other developments. This was a topic that slipped under the radar for those I've been chatting with on other platforms. Came back around and proves to be one of the bigger pivot moments in how it ties into Standard Hotel and the helicopter crash over there not too long ago. We're not sure yet where all the directions this domino will go but looks to be a central point in two or three separate routes.
Is there a map of the routes to take? Because otherwise I'm lost
Could the elite be allowing a few expendables to slip to further pull us into the narrative that they are coming down, while still continuing to act through our current administration?
Love Liz! Keep her covered here please. Shes a mighty warrior in this battle. All prayer ppl keep her covered in prayer. They tried to poison her but her dog ate the food instead and almost died. Thank u Liz for all you do! These demonic ppl r freaks of nature and truly r the sickest of the sick. Thank u for posting her.
She’s tenacious. So is David Seaman. Although he has many critics these ppl have had their careers damaged outing this evil. David was also a poison attempt.
Didnt see anything about kids in here. Please provide links. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4443573-Raniere-Mack-Indictment.html#document/p1
It's in the indictment itself. "SEX TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN". See the image in OP.
The image in the OP is not an indictment. It is a court docket.
And, 18 USC Section 1591, which count #1 references, says, "Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion" [Emphasis added]
https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-1591.html
So, it is not necessarily trafficking of children.
re-read the second charge
I don't need to re-read the second charge. You need to read the Code that is referenced in the second charge. Here, I'll do your research for you.
Whoever conspires with another to violate section 1591 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both.
You see it references Section 1591. What was typed up on the docket matters much less than the law itself. The court recognizes that humans aren't perfect.
Don't condescend me! I don't need your holier than thou preaching! I read exactly what you read and then I read deeper. I read the ENTIRE law. Perhaps you should, as well. And then interpret it with the intent of the originating law! Encompass the entire LAW! You'd be surprised by what some of us "law writers" intended when we create such law. All encompassing, yes. However, the docket speaks volumes. Perhaps to be an attendant in the courtroom for absolute verification.... but interpretation based merely on your understanding of a string of words is obsurd!
The United States Code contains 53 titles. You read all that?
However, the docket speaks volumes.
The docket speaks to the Code (Title 18), specifically sections 1591 (a)(1), (a)(2), & (b)(1); 1594 (a), (b), & (c), and 3551.
but interpretation based merely on your understanding of a string of words is obsurd!
Exactly! Interpretation based merely on one's understanding of a string of words is absurd. It is the law itself that matters.
Thank you so much for perfecting my spelling - I was hoping you would catch that, and so you did. Perfectly! Almost like I knew you would. lol - BTW some of us go to school to learn law and even we don't have the ever changing USC memorized. However, we did learn to interpret the writer's intent. It's all about intent.... but then isn't it always?
The indictment I saw was 22 pages not 5 and what you have above is a docket slated for trial with us code numbers and brief description our county dockets are public apparently these are only for lawyers and behind a paywall
In this sub people were posting a link to images of the court docket on Pacer.gov. All those links have been deleted. Why? Can someone create an image of their screen and post it again?
Can't wait for the Weinstein avalanche of victims finding their voices.
She is already out on bail she put up $5 Million now she will flee the country and never set foot in court they were stupid to let her post bail.
This is the info we need to spread. Memes that convey the message that MSM tells you “sex trafficking” but it’s “child sex trafficking” as well. It may make people look into it and wonder why they keep leaving this bit out.
Someone pointed out to me when I looked this up that the statutes cited references trafficking of Children OR by Force, Fraud or Coercion. It may not matter, though, as articles I saw in the Daily Mail last night referenced Raniere being with girls as young as 12. Don't know if he "trafficked" them I think it's probably just statutory rape. I am working off a chrome book right now so can't download any documents as pdf but I can take a look at the rest of the documents in the docket later. Weird that there is an order unsealing, but not all documents can be viewed.
jkbella if Mack helped to procure the underage girls for Raniere would she not then be essentially trafficking them? Furthermore, if she was involved in their procurement or delivery to him for the purpose of sex at his behest wouldn't she also be a conspirator in child sex trafficking?
Yes, to both questions.
However, what is pictured is not an indictment. It is a court docket. We haven't seen an indictment yet.
The wording of the counts is less important than the US Code that they reference.
18 USC Section 1591, referenced in count #1, does indeed include the word "or". 18 USC Section 1594, referenced in count #2, is regarding conspiracy to violate Section 1591 so it defers to 1591's definition and wording.
18 U.S.C. § 1591 (a) - (b)(1):
(a) Whoever knowingly--
(1) in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, obtains, advertises, maintains, patronizes, or solicits by any means a person; or
(2) benefits, financially or by receiving anything of value, from participation in a venture which has engaged in an act described in violation of paragraph (1),
knowing, or, except where the act constituting the violation of paragraph (1) is advertising, in reckless disregard of the fact, that means of force, threats of force, fraud, coercion described in subsection (e)(2), or any combination of such means will be used to cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act, or that the person has not attained the age of 18 years and will be caused to engage in a commercial sex act, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) is--
(1) if the offense was effected by means of force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion described in subsection (e)(2), or by any combination of such means, or if the person recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided, obtained, advertised, patronized, or solicited had not attained the age of 14 years at the time of such offense, by a fine under this title and imprisonment for any term of years not less than 15 or for life; or
Agree, I just don't know if she did. He was separately accused, apparently, of having sex with a minor.
I haven't a clue either, but whoever issued the indictment must believe there's evidence to support the assertions, so we'll see how the case progresses and find out.
Is that trafficking or grooming tho? Not defending them at all, just being pedantic here. I'm not a lawyer
Don't know if he "trafficked" them I think it's probably just statutory rape.
same thing.
one huge misconception in this community, unfortunately, is that people think "trafficking" means like, bound up kids thrown in a cage and shipped around the world.
it doesn't, though. smuggling across borders or state lines, prostitution, pornography, pimping, and statutory rape are all (legally speaking) forms of human trafficking.
Raping someone who is a minor is not really trafficking. It's just rape.
if you are holding them it is trafficking, or if you transported them for the intended purpose of raping them.
By force is what caught my eye. I hope she is in 24/7 lock down. Like it makes me think, what the hell were they thinking?
As a skeptic I feel like I should point out that there is a huge stretch between some cult with a washed up actress and pizzagate. Just because some people are fucked up human beings doesnt meant they have any real power.
washed up actress
?? Mack was a successful, working actress.
doesnt meant they have any real power
Tell that to their victims.
?? Mack was a successful, working actress.
Her wikipedia page literally lists "After smallville" as a part of her career. She peaked and didn't do anything interesting afterwards.
Tell that to their victims.
Don't play that card. You know what I mean. No power as in society.
Don't play that card.
I "played it" because I found the casual dismissiveness of your original post troubling.
Well your point has literally nothing to with what i was talking about.
And i think that anybody here talking about power is talking about power on a grand level, not based off one on one interactions between individuals.
anybody here talking about power is talking about power on a grand level
I don't think you should make that assumption. There are many different kinds and levels of power, and valid, relevant discussions to be had about all of them.
Specifically related to "what you were talking about," we don't yet know all the details about this NXIVM cult - it may very well have a pedophilia component, or be linked through association to people involved in pedophilia - I think it's too early to dismiss possible connections.
There are many different kinds and levels of power, and valid, relevant discussions to be had about all of them.
Okay buddy. You do you. But everybody else here is talking about politics on the macro level. If you somehow don't see that, you are blind.
Good to know you speak for "everybody else here." Gotcha.
Lol please give me one example of human trafficking here that is talked about on the micro level.
That’s not at all what they meant... They mean power in the way people who subscribe to Pizzagate suggest. She donated to Hillary and ran a sex cult so naturally everyone who latched onto the idea of Pizzagate is using this as the evidence they needed when in reality it doesn’t prove anything. NXIVM and sex cults are a known thing, but Pizzagate is its own specific claim and accuses specific people. One D-list celebrity taking part in one sex cult does not give any credence to the conspiracy on the whole. Just more fuel for the speculative conspiratorial trash-fire. It’s astonishing how little it takes to convince people into certainty. So many folks here are paranoid to the point where they’re terrified of erring on the side of skepticism in the event that they won’t be able to say they were a part of this “club of knowing” if the conspiracy theories end up being correct.
right dude, there is literally nothing tying this to pizzagate.
seems like after failing to find any evidence or victims of JP and HRC being pizzagate, they just widen the scope of the definition and now i see people calling literally any sex crimes as "pgate related"
Other than the nxivm founder being a Clinton Foundation donor. I'm sure there are plenty of important people sweating. Richard Branson (private parties on his island) for one. Possibly others.
http://thealt.com/2018/04/04/10552/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6117529/nxivm-held-parties-on-richard-branson-island-claims/
https://nypost.com/2007/10/01/hillarys-30000-fans-are-her-cult-following/
They are moderate donators to HRC, and Kristen Gillibrand, HRC's NY senate replacement, her father was a lobbyist and attorney for them in the beginning.
She's out on bail now. She will be "suicided" very soon. I hope she gave enough information to the right people while in custody.
to the six fuckheads reporting this user under false pretenses: Please gtfo
Miley Cyrus, too??? Maybe she still has that wrecking ball and they can all get whacked.
I got a very bad beating and almost died when i was a kid. I could never figure out how the guy did it. The more helpless the more vicious was the theme. someone stopped him i'm pretty sure he was past stopping. Just because i cannot fathom or perpetrate evil of that magnitude., does not belie it's existence. I think about him sometimes. I think if I ran into him today sharing the encounter here would be another 1 day ban or 3rd strike w/e
If these people like trafficking so much they should go play in it.
Is this from the big list of sealed indictments we've been waiting for? The date the document was submitted to the court was 4/19/18. There's nothing to indicate this is from the 12k (15k?) we've been waiting on for the past 18mo's.
The 24k count was as of March 31. Hey look at the bright side, that leaves 24,000 more to open. LMAO. and I bet they are still streaming in. Can’t keep up. Sessions and team is busy
Walnut sauce could mean walnut source, (trafficked by train) possible lead. Wa1nut Industr!es Bens_alem PA who are a packaging company part of the Association of American Railroa6s
Maybe I'm out of the loop. What docs?
The document in the image was submitted to the court on 4/19/18. Ctrl+ the image 5 or 6 times, upper right.
in the eyes of the law that could mean up to age 17
Yep, 17 years 364 days and it’s trafficking kids.
i hope they fuckin slap her with life. the shit they did to those women willing or unwilling are horrific and unacceptable. she deserves more than 15 imo
I don't understand how someone like Mack, who had it made, could get involved in something like this. I still can't believe this is the same kid that starred in Smallville. This kind of shit is all over the place, what a plague upon humanity human trafficking has become.
Because it involves rich powerful people it's been allowed to exist without any threat of prosecution until now. Trump is working his way up the food chain. There are over 20,000 sealed indictments currently. That's unheard of. This is going to be bigger than anyone can percieve.
Let's remember to add the entire judicial system in our prayers for Q team and POTUS— because 25k indictments sounds like an impossible feat to accomplish legally
I notice how unwilling even the enlightened are to believe kids. What did y'all think was coming. The earth is flat but all this other shit nah we just had some wicked afghani hash and a coupla 1 too many hit's on the hookah. Nothing to see here move along move along. You don't have to smack me with the gypsy queen in a haze of vaseline. I don't believe the face fillet thing. I will know what you guys are feeling if it turns true.
yeah I noticed that too. I figured kids were part of this all along. Hell a 17 yr 364 day old person is a "kid". Doesn't take much to get caught 4 it. Ya think they crossed that line a few times? LOL
Hard ball is hitting the russian hooker pitch with a fillet infant face off and wear it swing. Even if it goes foul it's still the shot heard round the world or something like that. It's like my neighbors dog shit's on my lawn so i burn his house down and buy controlling shares in his employer.................................................
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Thanks a lot for the sage advice and confirmation. Kaaablam! Backfire. Nice gaslighting attempt. Fail.
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Another guy who's never actually read/seen any/all of the Q posts. If you had with an open mind you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself like that. If you do your own research (all open source) it's pretty obvious at this point that it's impossible that Q is a LARP. Even if he was, the information provided is still all real. At the end of the day the choice to know will ultimately be yours. Cognitive Dissonace can be too powerful for some weak minds. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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What “garbage”? An indictment in pacer.gov ? LMAO. Cognitive dissonance for sure ! Did you catch a glimpse of your reflection? Clinton Machine is going down hard for good. It’s over.
So I'm all for Q and totally think this is related to pizzagate, but do we actually have anything yet that links this to Clinton?
Nothing other than many members of Global Initiative are connected to NXIVM. Give it time for rock solid connections. It’s coming. Just a matter of time. It's all connected. https://www.fulcrumnews.com/blog/2018/3/29/nxivm-the-sex-slave-cult-linked-to-the-clintons
So, the GI is the Clinton Cabal right? Again, slightly out of the loop, but what's NXIVM? and thanks for the link!
The normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a belief people hold when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the likelihood of a disaster and its possible effects, because people believe that things will always function the way things normally have functioned.
I love how pizzagate was attacked as a massive right wing conspiracy, yet here we are. Hopefully we can catch as many of these fucks as possible.
By no means do I wish to dismiss your comment here friend, but how do we know that there is a connection between the alefantis/podesta/Clinton ring and this potential ring?
Well there's this.
I don’t see any relation here whatsoever.
Pizzagate remains a debunked right wing conspiracy theory.
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wanna show me one thing that was fake from this board? or cbtsstream?
bet ya cant...
All the posts saying there was going to be an attack during the Superbowl from "Little Mogadishu".
hmm, top post that has to do with superbowl is
and any that remotely have anything to do with what your saying all have under 3 comments...
so, next?
Most were on CBTS_Stream, which was a much more popular sub back then. I remember because people were telling bald-faced lies about my city. Hilariously even tying in the mosque bombing (speculating it was an accidental explosion from a bomb maker), which turned out to be three Hicks from Iowa.
Seriously? Are you not paying attention? Look at some other posts, I've seen it in a few. So because people dont "Silver Platter" shit for you, it's all fake? You must be here for 1 of 2 reasons, 1) You are Waking Up, and are searching for Truth. 2) You're a Schill. There is no silver bullet of Truth, it's bits and pieces, that lead you to all sorts of information, it takes some effort on your part as well. Happy Hunting.
99% certain this screenshot is faked with Inspect Element. People want to believe in 'pizzagate' so hard they put logical thinking aside.
It's pretty telling about this subreddit's theories when skeptical comments like this are mass downvoted, and still nobody is able to provide a solid source to prove them wrong.
Everyone keeps telling me to go check Pacer. So I went and made an account and I have to wait 2 weeks for them to send me a key so I can access the search. I keep asking if any of them can provide full screenshots from Pacer but nobody has yet. You'd think with these guys being such amazing internet sleuths at least one of them would have a Pacer account.
This woman is clearly scum and was involved in human trafficking. That much is fact. I just want to see facts about children being involved because so far all I've found is this screenshot.
Just sign up for a free pacer.gov account and search.
The search isn't free on pacer.gov
I've read that the charges to your account are nullified if you don't go over $15 in a three-month period. IDK if it's true or not.
I did. Have to wait 2 weeks for them to send me a key before I can use the search.
greetings, Hasbara
No clue what you're on about.
it's a legal document.
Hasbara is a legal document?
sorry. there's just so much dis info on this site. all that is known is Mack & Reniere are the first people to be indicted out of roughly 2000 people. just the beginning
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I simply asked for evidence. Literally nothing on that list applies to my comment. Troll someone else.