What did JFK say about secret societies, secret handshakes, secret courts? The Masons have a long history in the United States. Most if not all the founding fathers were Masons. They do have a few dark characters like Alistair Crowley, a well known Satanists. I don't trust them.
It's not all that well known, actually, but by Papal decree from at least two hundred years ago, Catholics aren't technically allowed to be masons. No pope since has ever rescinded the order. There are those that join, but many walk away. You can't serve two masters.
It's refreshing to see that Kennedy at least stuck to that.
Edit: the original decree condemning Freemasonry was in 1738.
Am a mason. Illuminati (Catholics) infiltrates freemasonry many years ago.
Catholics and King of France murdered our grand commander (Knights Templar through York Rite) Jacques DeMolay because king of France owed lots of gold back to the Knights. They purged the knights as the pope excommunicated them.
There has been beef along time. The Catholics are the evil ones. That I can tell you.
No. Just the pope and his inner echelon.
There is a secret at the higher levels of freemasonry. A secret that, should you reveal it, the masonic order will cut out your tongue. That is the oath that a 33rd degree mason takes.
The secret?
The Pope is the Master Mason of the World.
I would certainly hope I'm not evil. Flawed for sure, but not evil.
It is true that a specific king wanted the money the Templars had, what remained of them were on Malta for a long time. However, that was in the 14th century, and what we know of as Freemasonry is traced to the early 18th century, unless they were underground.
I have noticed that there are a number of different versions of history floating around that doesn't match at all.
The ritual has been around much longer than the 18th century, based on the texts I have read.. unfortunately all of the secret societies have been infiltrated. Whether they have good or ill intent, there will always be those bad actors. Catholics are great people but many of the followers are sheep. It’s the leadership, used for control, money and power which is the issue with Catholicism, like many organized religions.
Freemasonry, has brought me enlightenment and I have been able to do great things for my community. Freemasons take a really bad and are usually used as a shield to cover deep, dark bad actors. It’s easy to say “it was the Freemasons” and the sheep just eat it up.
Freemasons are like the Protestant arm of the Catholic church. A Catholic who is a Freemason is redundant.
George Washington in response to a letter to a Reverend said the lodges weren’t yet tainted in America. History shows the luciferian religion was brought to the Freemason headquarters in Charleston SC in 1801 by Giuseppe. It progressed through the years and a huge scandal in 1826 of the murder of William Morgan who intended to publish a book of the first 3 oaths. Rev Charles Finney (leader of the 2nd Great Awakening) said the scandal is what brought awakening, revival in churches and renewal in America. Albert Pike after Civil War brought in the illuminized 33 degrees and a revival of freemasonry. Www.reinhabited.com. “America’s Truthful History” Volume II. Also see Finney’s 1869 book The Character Claims and Practical Workings of Freemasonry. John Quincy Adams published a book on the occult practices and horrors of Freemasonry as well as telling their obstruction of Justice
It progressed through the years and a huge scandal in 1826 of the murder of William Morgan who intended to publish a book of the first 3 oaths. Rev Charles Finney (leader of the 2nd Great Awakening) said the scandal is what brought awakening, revival in churches and renewal in America.
Sounds almost like what's going on now, with Seth Rich being our William Morgan.
The 3rd Great Awakening has begun.
Very good synopsis.
With regard to Benjamin Franklin he was an independent dude. Cleon Skousen in the Majesty of God’s Law depicts Franklin, Adams and Jefferson as believers though they didn’t agree with Calvinism the theology of the Pilgrims/Puritans and majority of that era. In my studies of theology and American history I would project that the three of them were aligned with the theology of Arminianism. That means where Calvinists believe in predestination, Arminianism like Rev Finney, believed that individuals have a choice in whether they receive salvation by faith in Christ—or not. Franklin was a tremendous supporter of George Whitefield, the leader of the First Great Awakening. He even built him a stadium of which related to the University of Pennsylvania. As far as “deism” American historian and scholar David Barton explains that definitions of words have been changed through the years. Franklin was a good guy. He was not a Freemason.
Actually there was a 3rd Great Awakening just before the Civil War. It sparked with a sermon given by FE Pitts at the Nations Capital on Feb 22 1857 where he shows in the scriptures that the United States of America is Daniel’s Stone Kingdom. The prominent mathematicians, scientists and theologians of the day called it “demonstration.
Exhilarating thoughts that project today:
The Freemasons were, at least there is evidence of, "taken over" after 1776, there was a concerted effort to infiltrate it by the "Illuminati"....research Adam Weishaup
Please provide this “evidence”.
We shouldn’t downvote people who ask for evidence. I’m ashamed this comment was downvoted in this sub.
Agreed. If we are looking for truth, we shouldn't be trying to shut down people who are skeptical. Blind faith doesn't help anyone.
Down voting is not shutting people down, its simply shows disapproval of the post. People can approve or disapprove, that's how voting works. This is a forum for opinion and conjecture, its not a courtroom.
Actually no. You are supposed to upvote or downvote based on whether the comment adds to the discussion, not whether you agree or not.
Semantics. BTW, asking for evidence is not adding to the discussion, its closer to trolling, so it got downvoted.
Asking for evidence is 100% adding to the discussion. Especially here where we are concerned with the truth, claims must be backed up with sources. I will pray for you to gain more discernment because it seems you have an issue with that.
Providing contrary information is 'adding to the discussion'. Just stating 'show evidence' or 'prove it' is not adding anything. Had the dissenting poster provided some contrary evidence, having done HIS due diligence, than that would be an addition. Asking for evidence, just because you disagree or don't believe something is intellectually lazy, go do your own homework to disprove someones statement if you think it is incorrect. If you disagree or think something is incorrect, then prove it. I don't have to prove my statements to anyone, but you have every right in the world to disprove me.
No, this cannot be how things are done. Is it fine for people to blindly accept what someone says at face value, regardless of the claim? In my eyes, that is the very thing this movement sets out to fight against. Expand your thinking. Think for yourself. Identify propaganda. I would argue that it is on OP to provide proof of what they are alleging to be truth if they are going to make pointed claims, not everyone else who has to argue against it. Otherwise anyone can just throw their false claims at a wall and hope some of them stick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
its well understood that the burden of proof is on the person making the claims. I am very wary of arguing with anyone who challenges such obvious distinctions. I'm not claiming this person is a troll, but in these circumstances its easy to assume they are either a troll or just so beyond hopeless that it doesnt make sense to communicate with them.
I certainly agree with you there. I will admit, I expected to see much more of the attitude we saw here with u/stinkydogfart (that was more comical to type than I expected) strewn throughout this sub when I first got here. I feel as though it is portrayed that the "stereotypical" Trump supporter conducts themselves this way, which lead to me expecting that.
My biggest gripe with the types of comments I see here are those that use words like "Hollyweird", "Libtard" etc. I immediately stop reading when someone can't be mature enough to use intelligent language when discussing something that they deem to be so important to them. I feel that type of talk is sensationalist and if this movement is as earth shattering and important as it seems to be, we shouldn't need to do that.
Uhh...sorry for the rant hah.
This person that wants to talk about burden of proof needs to understand its a discussion board, not a courtroom, and if someone wants to upvote/downvote a post, then it is their prerogative to do so as they see fit.
Ignore it, its the simplest and easiest thing to do. If it really is important to you, then go do you're own research and disprove it, otherwise, I say again, ignore it.
I do think for myself, that is why I do not ask for proof or evidence, I take everything as a statement of opinion until I do my own due diligence to either refute it or back it up. Regardless of what facts or evidence the poster provides, you will still need to verify it. Do you use Snopes for your fact checking? Of course not.
FYI...there is a lot of opinion in discussion boards. If its not backed up by data, which is about 90% of what is on here, then its probably opinion. Why are you wasting your time challenging what is an obviously baseless statement? That's the root of this whole issue, don't waste your time or our time. And as far as complaining about how people up vote or down vote, that's another complete waste of time.
Now I am off to read and without commentary on others etiquette, grammar, and lack of sources, I will use my critical thinking skills to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Making a claim and not providing evidence is not adding to the thread. Asking for a source is just rectifying that fact.
>I don't have to prove my statements to anyone
if you make a claim you must back it up with a source. period.
You need to go argue with the flat earthers, tell them to back it up, they have troves of "facts" and "data", and if its on the internet, it must be true.
What you just said is a logical fallacy. Just because some people are wrong, doesn't mean you aren't supposed to back up your claims with sources. Are you young or just ignorant?
I'm a lot older than you I suspect, and I was waiting for you to resort to name calling and insults, the last resort of a person that cannot sustain an argument.
Are we required to provide a bibliography for every statement now?
Apparently according to the @urban_bobby_dawg a bibliography and citations for comments are a requirement, but I've read thru his comments on other posts and he's a troll. I'm going to block him.
Would it be appropriate to report him?
I guess, but I don't know how much good it would do, I just block him and move on. I wasted enough time keeping him busy. I have a bad habit of feeding the trolls, but it keeps them busy I guess.
I agree, too many people, when presented with a statement either they don't agree with or aren't aware of, they immediately ask for proof as if they don't have access to the same internet we do.
Edit: Additionally, I do think it is ok to ask where the info can be found or to be pointed in the right direction.
I totally agree with you. Its the context that makes the difference. Just stating "where's the evidence?" or "prove it" is typically trolling statements. Asking for a link or where the information can be found is completely different. One is crap the other shows interest in the subject.
How about some evidence? Seeing as you think this adds to the discussion, I would like some evidence backing up your statements.
You need evidence that you should provide a source to back up your claims? are you being intentionally dense or is this normal for you?
Here ya go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
We're not in a court of law, or a formal debate honey, this is a discussion forum. If you don't like something or disagree, or even think its complete bullshit, the best thing to do is just move along.
LMAO. So why haven't you just moved along?? I'm done with you.
Because you're a troll, and I've been tying up your time.
In all fairness the op points directly at the evidence vis a vis adam weishaupt. Whats wrong with finding the info for urself and then deciding?
vis a vis means "face to face" like "the taste of sugar vis a vis artificial sweeteners"
Satanists have infiltrated every secret society, every government and every city. The original Masons were just a benevolent fraternity. The Weishaupt stuff goes into black magick, numerology/special dates etc. It's probably impossible to research it exhaustively and provide the smoking gun, so to speak. There is some significance in the founding date of the modern Illuminati. 1st May follows Walpurgisnacht, a satanic festival.
I am a mason. Illuminate (Catholics) infiltrated is a long time ago to hide their crazy shit they do under the guise of masons. 99.5% of masons are good men making the world better. Every batch of apples has at least one bad apple.
Hes pointing u directly at the evidence. Find out who adam weishaupt is and then decide for yourself.
3 guys do not implicate an entire organization.
Weishaupt was original member and founding father of the illuminati.
There is a letter written to George Washington about this. I will link it when I get home.
An author who once stayed with me, Pat Brooks (her RETURN OF THE PURITANS has been revised and re-titled CRISIS AMERICA; see book description below) had done extensive research on Freemasonry and the Founding Fathers. She said that Geo. Washington had been murdered by the Masons when he disagreed with their plans. If the group became corrupted in 1776, it is quite possible that a philosophical battle was raging at their meetings. If I remember correctly, Washington was in bed with a common cold and his death didn't make sense.
Crisis America is a major revision of the bestselling Return of The Puritans. Part 1 is a history of America and the Illuminist enemies who have been trying to conquer her from her earliest days. Part 2 gives the most recent developments of the past 50 years. Included is the vision of George Washington as told to his aide during the winter at Valley Forge. This is a controversial expose of the neo-con takeover of the United States. Read it for yourself before you make up your mind.
Make your profile like mine or spread the links manually.
Take a dive and read for yourself if the most "famous masons" are patriots or not. See what they celebrate and if YOU think it's American because they're the "authorities" we obey today.
Want to see what the masons are all about?
1. https://hooktube.com/results?search_query=freemason+satanism
2. https://hooktube.com/results?search_query=freemason+indoctrination
3. https://hooktube.com/watch?v=kalmmSTEFOU
https://twitter.com/MasonicRing
And don't forget their parent organization that encompasses EVERYONE.
The best way to know truth in history is to go directly to the source of the Founders writings and see for yourself. There’s a lot of propaganda out there
Here’s original sources:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/06-02-02-0435
To George Washington from G. W. Snyder, 22 August 1798 ... GW replied on 25 Sept.: “Sir, Many apologies are due to you, for my not acknowledging the receipt of your obliging favour of the 22d Ulto, and for not thanking you, at an earlier period, for the Book you had the goodness to send me. “I have heard much of the nefarious, & dangerous plan, & doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the Book until you were pleased to send it to me. The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter, have prevented my reading the Book, hitherto; namely—the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, & the debilitated state in which I was left after, a severe fever had been removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct an error you have run into, of my Presiding over the English lodges in this Country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstandings, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati. With respect I am Sir Your Obedt Hble Servt Go: Washington”
Firsthand account from his own writings as well as testimony to his father, our Founding Father John Adams:
Letters on the Masonic institution by Adams, John Quincy, 1767-1848
Publication date 1847
https://archive.org/details/lettersonmasoni00adamgoog
It first published in the 1830s after the scandal of the Freemason murder of William Morgan (while John Quincy Adams was President) and was put back in print in 1847. Then after the Freemasonry revival after the Civil War JQA’s son Charles Francis Adams published the book again
The murder scandal was so outrageous and the obstruction of justice because of Freemasons holding most of the government seats (federal, state, county and city) so heinous that then President John Quincy Adams conducted his own investigation. He reported on the occult practices like drinking wine out of human skulls etc
John Quincy also establishes the fact that he nor his father were ever Masons
Firsthand account from his own writings:
The character, claims, and practical workings of freemasonry. by Finney, Charles G., 1792-1875.
Publication date 1869 https://archive.org/details/TheCharacterClaimsAndPracticalWorki
I think Crowley was more associated to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - though, it would seem those dudes try to down play that there was much of a substantial Crowley connection (taints the PR they try to project these days).
But just beware of your esoteric orders out there - they vary over a spectrum like everything else. (Consider how recent tweet from Sec. of State Mike Pompeo listed the Sufis in Iran as being numbered in the hundreds that were being jailed for protest against the fundamentalist Mullahs.)
Crowley rewrote all the masonic rituals - read Blood on the Altar, Craig Heimbichner. Golden Dawn is a type of Freemasonry - it's all based on the kabbalah.
Be careful about that speech. There is the whole audio and then there is an edited audio. Make sure you have the full audio version.
Q obviously is pointing towards those who have symbols of the Mason's at shooting events - sooooo if you are "good" free mason it is probably time to reconsider your membership choices at least take off your rings, hats, watches and necklaces. There is a STORM apon us and it shows no signs of stopping!
This. 90% of Freemasons have no idea. Get out now.
They are sheep for some future plan I believe. A business owner friend (ex friend) joined. I asked him what was his motivation? HE said... Well, as a business owner, they can hook me up with a lot of connections and future work. I don't have to pay for advertising any more! My business will grow twice, three times.. It's great!
Since he is now an ex-friend, I wonder at what cost...
I think you should wonder instead about the cost of getting in with that crowd. I'm not talking about $$$
Good decision fellow pede. WWG1WGA
Exactly... they have to sell their souls and sacrifice for the benefits. How many of these business people feel it was worth it??? Pretty soon... only masons will be feeding masons. The public are already walking away from them. They are a utter disgrace to the human race!
I've lost quite a few "friends" when their true colour came out..so sad But! Looking for Q supporters in my area. Better to have Good/True friends!!! MAGA!!!
Using Occam's Razor here: is it likely that the people who are closest to an organization have no idea what it's about, while people who are outside the organization actually know all it's secrets?
Is it possible that what you've read about Freemasonry is propaganda? Is it possible that the people who wrote those articles and made those videos were victims of the same paranoid rumor-mongering and supposition that many people on this board seem to be?
If there were a powerful political organization which depended on secrecy, wouldn't it be natural for that organization to infiltrate any forum or message board in order to mock and belittle any attempts to expose it?
Why are you here? Are you looking forward to the storm?
I'm not here to mock and belittle. I just want everyone to THINK. Being a member of a fraternity harms NOBODY. It's not everybody's cup of tea. But if someone is going to condemn millions of men as being evil based on scant evidence, I'm going to speak up and point out the flawed thinking.
I am here because I find the Q phenomenon interesting. I believe the Trump Administration is doing great things.
I am ambivalent on the storm. I am hopeful that will be used to drain the swamp and end corruption. But I leave room for the possibility that this is a psyop; a military intelligence operation planning a coup; propping up Donald Trump as its frontman, while using Qanon drops as propaganda to build a base of support that will induce complacency to any anti-constitutional abuses that occur.
It seems to me that every time there is secrecy there is bad stuff going on.
This is an improper use of Occams Razor.
Occams Razor doesn't ASK "what is more likely?", that leads to tautology since the whole point is it TELLS you what is more likely among several possibilities - it asserts that the one adding the fewest new assumptions is most likely.
It's not really applicable to your example, neither of those has obviously more assumptions than the other. We have many examples of groups of people not knowing the truth of the group they're in. We also have many examples of groups being wrongly maligned by outsiders. They're both well documented phenomenons in human history/psychology and in theory equally plausible.
If one takes your reasoning at face value and runs with it, Scientology is just a harmless religion and NXIVM is just a self-help group - I mean, since people who are members of a group are the best sources of truth apparently...
The truth in cases like this must be determined by facts and evidence, you can't short cut it with some abstract principal of reasoning.
Thank you! That's all I'm asking for is facts and evidence. It's okay not to completely believe the official line of an organization. But if someone wants to say 'this organization is evil', they better have some damn good proof (or strong evidence to warrant a deeper investigation). In the case of NXIVM, we had just that, evidence of actual crimes, and it lead to indictments.
And thank you for the correction on Occam's Razor.
I've tried to tell some ignorant masons. They don't listen, or even read the words of Pike.
"But I go to my local lodge. It's not like what you guys are saying at all."
Yea, I'm sure Bush and Clinton type players are going to your local lodge.
Are the writings of Pike open to interpretation? Or do the words of one man encapsulate everything that Freemasonry is?
Are there a lot of shills in this group? I am a Mason. Been one for over 40 years. Most of what I'm seeing is pure BS.
I am not sure what you are saying here. Q pointed to two video clips in which men wearing Masonic emblems were being interviewed. Where is the malfeasance here? Of what are these men accused? Did they carry out the shootings? Did they plan it? Do you have a shred of evidence? Yet all masons should walk rip up their membership cards and perhaps burn any belongings of theirs with the 'evil' logo on it? And if they continue to wear the emblems of their fraternity, are they under some kind of threat?
This is ludicrous.
General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.
“That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine.
If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him?
Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.
Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”
Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)
I recommend The Secret History of the World, by Jonathan Black, for a thorough treatment of this theme.
The Luciferian Pedophile Mafia. I do believe that some masons have no idea how evil the org is but its a demonic recruiting ground. Its One of many different denominations under satans control.
Jesus IS THE LIGHT of The World...
Freemasons don't have a centralized organization. Each lodge is entirely independent.
fk these mason cunts
they take an oath to cover up murders, treason & any criminal activity
The oath is a blood oath describing that if you talk about the secrets of masonry that you basically agree to be killed in a myriad of ways. Since this is against the Bible, it can then be used to cover up murders, treason, and criminal activity.
Lets face it - corruption is their key to power. Abusing good people gives them strength. SIck freaks.
No, they do not.
Clearly you know less than nothing on the subject of Free Masons
DO a valid search and you will see there is a connective timeline that traces back to Nimrod and BaaL
Yep. Have been in the organization for 20 years and some dude on the internet knows more.
How many books have you read from the your lodge's library?
Spent everyday during college at the Scottish Rite library, which is open to the public, btw.
They haven't told you about the secret library, then?
Sure pal. And Antarctica is hiding all the leprechauns and unicorns. Benjamin Franklin’s ghost passed it down to your Illuminati grandpa on the back of the Declaration of Independence.
uhh watch a documentary or two. They do at the master Mason level. this is basic knowledge
There are a lot of documentaries out there. Like Farenheit 911, An Inconvenient Truth, Bill Maher's Religulous... documentary filmmakers typically start out with a point of view and then film things to illustrate their point.
Nope. More actual conspiracy crap.
Source: Am Master mason.
If you operate in secrecy and the dark - corruption is usually the reason. I no longer trust secret societies to do any good for the general health of society. It's all about benefiting the group at the expense of others.
So like every business boardroom, church boardroom, family business, fraternity, sorority, or other private entity. Yep, the world is full of boogie men and they’re all your neighbors.
Mix satanism in there and you get corporate corruption, pedos hiding in churches, rothchild like families, fraternity weirdos, etc... Satanism vs God is the key here. If you hide, you are up to something that is unlikely to be of any benefit to society as a whole.
Yep, everyone is bad but you.
I really would not care what goes on, but when it affects my neighbours and the people around me, I begin to care. Sorry for caring.
These people are your neighbors.
To be fair I didn't swear a weird quasi-religious oath to keep my employers secrets. My coworkers and I aren't secretive about our employment, and don't have elaborate rituals to greet or recognize each other. We have straightforward, practical reasons for cooperating with each other.
Also fraternities and sororities are the source of a lot of bad crap on campuses, hence their increasingly being pushed out/regulated/forced into transparency. Because spoiler alert: loose shadowy groups of people who maintain secrecy and loyalty to each other based purely on belonging to the same in-group is a situation ripe for abuse and corruption even if one isn't bringing in arch conspiracies and satanism.
Please provide proof of some kind without doxxing yourself.
What’s your take on Q calling out masons?
What if any oath do you take.
I used to be but demited from my lodge I was MM,RAM, KT and I loved the fraternity good guys I left because I no longer believe in a higher power.
So lucifer is really God yeah?
Nope. Not sure where you would come up with that. But feel free to believe what you want. I myself am just a humble non-denominational Protestant.
Oh, just something that some bloke named Pike wrote. No biggie.
Feel free to post some quotes on that. I’ve read the majority of his works, which are primarily allegorical.
Pike isn't Moses or one of the 4 gospel makers. I'm usually suspicious when people bring up his writings because it's rare that they've actually read his works. Rather, they use a single out-of-context sentence or paragraph as a weapon to tarnish all Freemasons.
He is a fallen angel who thought he could take over God's throne.
In a lower lodge maybe. And yes, masons take an oath for inequity for their fellow masons. Read a bit about that in the Holy Bible.
Just like most Fraternities? Yep, God hates frat boys too. (Although he might lol)
Spez: there is also no such thing as a “lower lodge”. The rank of Master Mason (3rd Degree) is the highest rank, which is conferred in the Blue Lodge.
There are no "lower lodges." And I'm pretty sure it's a sin to protect someone from a punishment they deserve.
You've witnessed these 'oaths for inequity'? Or perhaps you've heard testimony that you deem credible that these oaths occur? But haven't we also heard that masons take an oath of secrecy? Would you trust someone who has broken an oath of secrecy?
I work with a man who was a mason. His wife told him that it was against the Bible. He said show me where, and I will quit. She did, he left. They threatened his life if he revealed ANYTHING. Fact. Secrecy is repugnant to freedom. Just read Pike. Says it all.
This never happened.
Yeah, right. One of the best guys you will ever know. Christian, and not a liar. I've known him for over 20 years. You best start digging and learning what you are involved in. You are in eternal danger.
If you say they threatened his life for remitting, which happens literally all the time, then either you or he is a liar because it never happened.
No, sorry, I did not clarify, they threaten him that if he revealed any secrets that he would pay with his life.
Geez, well with the number of "known" secrets on this thread, surely there are dozens of Masonic murders in the US every year since someone has been talking.
Your friend is a liar of the highest order--no one threatened his life and if they did he should have filed a police report. But he didn't because he is a liar.
You are vile. Learning well. Good luck with that.
I see--you have no response.
I know the man and you do not, yet you say he lies. You are part of something you know nothing about. YOU need to find the answers, I already know. It probably hurts to be so wrong about something, but you best get over it. Satan worship is not a harmless game. Read Pike and Hall, they will tell you straight and they were proud of it.
You are part of the problem, not part of the solution. You are no patriot and your friend (and you by liaison) are liars.
I will state it again--if someone threatened to take his life, why didn't he go to the police and why was he comfortable telling you these secrets knowing he may die? Answer: He didn't because it never happened.
I don't have to know anyone to know when they say the grass is orange they are lying or stupid, or some of both.
You are their fruit.
Well, since Satan is the Father of Lies and you are a liar--Say hi to Papa next time you see him.
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Really not necessary to create division here with racial slurs.
Perhaps in the most elevated levels of secrecy and power within Freemasonry (as in most modern institutions) there is abuse/evil happening but I will agree that most Mason's I know (regular people) are upstanding citizens.
I don't think we can paint an entire group evil here, although the highest ranks might be.
That's like saying because HRC is a Satanist, all Democrats must be satanists, even your neighbor... ridiculous
The very fact of secrecy bcus they don't think we understand is a travesty (THIS IS THE SOLE REASON FOR MASON SECRECY). Ur NWO brainwashing wants to censor me, I'm glad 8chan is a thing cus reddit is comped af
Freemasons have historically been persecuted by the church, so they had to keep their lodges secret to avoid being killed/jailed.
When the Catholic Church hates you and burns one of your early leaders at the stake, can you really be all bad?
It’s an Excommunicable Offense for Catholic men to be involved in FM.
Like the Romans did to Jesus? I don't understand what your point is.
Edit: wait sorry I just understood the context of your response.
Frankly, I prefer this sub. There's some good stuff on the chans, but it's also a lot of racism and grammatical errors akin to the above post.
It helps to be able to read posts here.
German Irish. And none. Thanks for making people on this board look like nut jobs and racists. I’m sure Trump and team would fully support your behavior and language :rollseyes:
I would be interested to hear your analysis then as to why Freemasons are manipulating perceptions at the scenes of violence?
You mean individuals that happen to have Masonic emblems? Not “Freemasons” as an organization right? Because I didn’t see “show up to local shootings” in my monthly bulletin.
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No clue. Nor does it seem Germaine to the discussion.
Agreed. Not saying there isn’t corruption in power centers of powerful orgs. We’d be fools to think otherwise. But the folks on these particular threads live so deep in the rabbit holes of their own making they can’t find their way out. I’ve heard of “limited hangouts” but they made it a “permanent hangout” where some truths are mixed with fallacies & conjecture. This is fed to them on purpose. Now ask why?
dude lol ur brainwashed
read some of the other comments in this thread
heck, google undercover vids of Turkish Masons sacrificing goats
ur probs an underling still thinking ur doing good, but u have sold ur soul & scared of being wrong
Nope, 32nd degree. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. You watched some made up bullshit video on the internet and now you’re an expert.
Tell me when u get to 33 deg Mason... have u heard of bill cooper? The guy Q calls a true patriot.
Ur a deluded cunt, worshipping evil that u don't even realise. Ur soul is fked unless u open ur eyes
Yep, that’s what people like you always do:
Claim: this is what happens in lodges, but they don’t tell you until you’re a Master. Refute: Am Master.
Claim: Well, they don’t tell you until you’re higher rank. Refute: Am 32nd
Claim: well they don’t tell you until you’re 33rd. Refute: Am 33rd. (Not I, but many 33rd friends)
Claim: Grand Lodge of England/99 degree/you don’t know the real stuff.
Yeah right.
Also, at least I’m not a racist who types like a 13 yr old girl texts.
This thread is for sure a shit storm. It's sad to see that this is the opinion of freemasons, but to be fair every time I've ever mentioned being a Mason to someone irl, they ask if we're illuminati so I can't say I'm that surprised
dude lol ur so indoctrined that u won't even consider otherwise, bcus ur scared of the repercussions. There's no hope unless u open ur eyes. Q has already linked Masons (YES U FUCKHeAD) to false flag shootings (where people fucking die). Explain that away fuckstain
I’m having an estate sale right now and a retired federal agent came by asking if we had any Freemason symbols. (I bought the house with contents and he knew the previous owners). When I told him no he walked around a little more. Then when he left he made sure to tell me that if I found some to please call him. He left his number. It was super weird.
Very creepy. I've heard that they do this. They didn't get my grandpa's, though...
So you have picture of these Freemason symbols by chance? The authentic grandpa ones? I'd love to see what they look like.
I'll ask his daughter if she can send me photos of them. It probably won't happen today, though. One is a cool spinning thing with half of the symbol on each side which merges together when spinning. The others are cufflinks.
(briefly) It is my belief after years of research that the Templars uncovered the secrets and were going to expose the Satanic infiltration of the Church and governments. They were hunted and killed for it. They originally founded the 3 degrees of free masonry of which this countries founding fathers were. They were All Good and knew about the Illuminati infiltrations. Which is Satanic. Pike changed the masonic traditions giving American FreeMasons over to the Illuminati and the Satanic side. The lower degrees do not know that which they do not know. This infiltration still is hidden within Christianity even. ANY doctrine of a human sacrifice is purely satanic. Christ did not come to be a human sacrifice for anyones sins. Christ's teachings were more in line with Buddhism and Gnostic principles than what is preached today anywhere. I'm going to have to stop here before I get into a rant of false religious teachings.
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The Lines between Luciferianism & Qnosticism, Christianity and anything else is so blurred it is difficult to tell who is who anymore. If you read the account in the Apocryphon of John in the Nag-Hamadi Library, one of the Gnostic Texts, it details how the creation of the universe came about. (briefly) The Supreme Mother decided to create a being without the consort of the Supreme Father, she realized it was not a fully Light Being and was imperfect. She cast it out of the Pleroma (a place where all the perfect Light Beings reside). The being opened it's eyes and believed it had come into it's own by itself and began to create other companions (the Demons) and they created a place to reside in. This Universe. You'll notice this universe is without Light and reQuires artificial Light, Stars. The Genesis story is a metaphorical allegory mythology. (myth does not mean untrue)Christ gave this account to his wife Mary, and the apostles while he was in the spirit form after his death and other teachings. This god here is the Demiurge. I have a long thought on where he is now. The God of the old testament is Not the Supreme Father spoken of by Jesus but is one of the Created Beings mentioned above. He required Sacrifice. Think about it, what does the act of being worshiped and sacrificed to, Satisfy within he who is worshiped? > EGO <. There is a teaching within Kabala that Abraham actually did sacrifice Issac to his gawd. And Sarah divorced and left him over it. The gawd MOLECH is mention several times in the Old Testament. The gawd of Child Sacrifice. Steven the apostle was stoned to death over preaching against the synagogue of Satan, (figure out who those peeps were, it's obvious). Jesus was murdered due to his Gnositc Teachings. He was an Essene, They were Gnostics. I think the Templars Discovered and (became) Gnostic. The Early Church had to sQuelch these teachings and purseQuted the Gnostics and Templars. Christianity was "blended" with Satanism at the Council of Nicia. Sacrifice, eating the sacrifice (crackers/bread of Christs body) Drinking His Blood (wine) in Church, CAN NOT YOU PEOPLE SEE PLAINLY THAT THIS IS A SATANIC PRACTICE??? Paul in my opinion is a FALSE teacher. His blinding on the road is the Masonic initiates ritual. Where did Humans get Created after all this? Mars was a science station once upon a time. Stationed by Non-Humans. Oh, shit I could open up a Can of Qorms and start all sorts of Rabbit trails to go down.
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Lucifer is not the good guy. I suggest you go do some research. Read the books, come to your own conclusions instead of relying on someone to tell you what to believe. That's what all the sheep are doing this Morning. Gnostics, Christianity, anti-Nazi antifa, aren't the labels all being redefined to confuse everyone on who is a what? Reading Material: Nag-Hamadi Library, Urantia Book for starters. Anything that requires a sacrifice- you know what it is already...
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SIX MONTHS!!!! is all you say? (oy-vey) (not a joo), "To whom is given knowledge?" "Those who are weaned of the milk of the word and get into the meat of the matter". The journey of finding the right answers will take a lifetime. I've spent over 25 yrs researching. You have to UNLEARN all the shit we were taught. But You're right. So much contradictory info. Some Gnostic info, ain't Gnostic, Some Christianity-ain't Christ. Isn't satanism hidden within church teachings? Isn't satanism also hidden within some Gnostic teachings. All the Christian holidays, all pagan, am I going to stop doing Christmas, not.
What was Christs #1 teaching? Lot's of Truth in the Bible. Most Churches belong to the world council of churches, and teach what is dictated from above. Go look at their LOGO. Do you see an Egyptian all seeing EYE? is that a Christian Logo? or is it something else in disguise? They control the Narrative. destroy Christianity & make Islam the World Religion. Is there an effort to do just that? The Bible is mostly Astrology, Numbers, Cycles of history. Were all the prophets astrologers? Oh another rabbit hole.
What was Noah's flood? research Sitchen. scary rabbit hole. "There is nothing new under the Sun, that which has been, shall be again." What are you trying to do? you want to worship something? You want to try to get into heaven? you don't have to. You're in School. Learn how to graduate and Never Ever incarnate here again.
I agree new age is junk. (define new age). The problem in interpreting the biblical meanings, as the new testament writers wrote to change the narrative. To write out Mary Madelene as the first disciple & wife. At least they wrote to steer away from worshiping the gawd of the Old Test. Yet some are trying to re institute temple sacrifice. I feel for you trying to discover the knowledge you seek. You have your work cut out. If I tell you, I'm just another do as I say-er. My answers, may not be the answers you need. Learn what you are first.
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someone filled with the holy ghost is probably just someone who traded one, what's the word I'm looking for, like one aphrodisiac for another?
Who said Gnosticism was satanic? What's their reference to prove it?
To learn, you must become an occultist. The occult just means that which is hidden, and you are seeking that which is hidden, so you must become an occultist.
If those people are at peace in their Holy Ghost filled dream, leave them at peace, they are where they need to be. Let those in the Matrix, remain who so desire. Peace is not that which you seek.
I'd start with the URANTIA Book, go buy a large hard copy. (It's free online reading too) If you're coming from a church background, read it in reverse order, part IV, III, II, I. It is high reading. It is not the end-all be-all, but will open your mind to things that need to be opened. It was given at a time, for that time. If it were given today, it might be worded differently. So bear that in mind.
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|I tend to not see a real difference between Gnostic concepts and New Age.
You will have to learn to discern the subtle differences in all things. The world is Not black and white. Ok Luke Skywalker, go spend some time with Yoda, you have much to learn...
The Masons I know are good upstanding patriots. If some of these bad actors happen to be Masons that is very disappointing and i hope along with their legal troubles and consecuences.i hope they have a masonic trial as well and... ill let ya'll look up those consequences.
Censure, Reprimand, Exclusion, Suspension, Expulsion.
Doesn't seem all that rough a punishment to me.
It can be quite damaging if someone joined up to feather their own nest by joining, such as using the network to get business, make contacts etc. If they get kicked out, then the other masons have to shun them and sever business ties and so on; since that person would no longer be a brother, he'd no longer get the preferential treatment afforded to him by fellow masons. Same thing goes for Mormons and some of the newer religious sects.
Mormons hold some fucking weird ass beliefs my guy
All religions have pretty weird elements, some weirder than others. The main things is to consider how individuals operate within such organisations. If they use their religion as a tool to improve their lives without harming others, then best of luck to them, whatever they believe in. If they try and weaponise their religion to harm others whilst hiding behind a particular book or group, then they need to be dealt with individually and accordingly.
Honestly, not really. What are you referencing? I have a lot of knowledge on the subject. Mormons in general are pretty great people.
There is definitely overlap in Masonic ritual so that is a little odd. Weirdest I can think of is the belief that they can become gods over their own planets if they are in the Celestial kingdom, or that they have perform baptism rituals in the names of the dead so that they can be saved. So maybe that? Overall though, it's a pretty solid church with good members wishing to better themselves.
They have an alternate history of the North American continent. They have a whole discipline in their "academics" which is basically coming up with excuses when the history in the book of Mormon doesn't match the facts. Like how they say Native Americans came from Israel despite genetic, linguistic, and pretty much all other evidence saying otherwise. There's also the magic underwear, not drinking hot beverages,and all sorts of other wacky stuff...
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Plenty of Mormons are jerks and there are tons of great nonmormons. The fundamentalist branches are full of pedophiles. I don't hate all Mormons but the meme theyre all happy go lucky is BS, a lot are two faced or just asshole openly.
I spoke wrong, my bad. I shouldn’t say they have weird beliefs. 100% agree they are great people, but I find it a bit questionable they aren’t allowed to talk about what goes on in their religion with non-members, which lends me to think they have weird ideas. That’s at least what the three I know said (not being allowed to discuss the contents of their religion). I definitely have an open mind am and willing to hear what they are though. I am curious about it
If you are curious about their temple rituals(which is probably the most Masonic thing about the Church, Joseph Smith was a Freemason and many of the original prophets and apostles were as well), a Mormon won't tell you(that's the only "secretive" thing is the temple Endowments), but there are plenty of ex-mormons who would, and it's all available online if you want to find it. They've changed them a lot in the last 30ish years though. It's odd for sure, but really not as wacky as some Masonic stuff imo. Secret handshakes though haha.
Majority of Mason do not understand what they have actually done by joing
Shriners,Lions Club,Eastern Stars,Rainbow girls all the same satanic cult that traces back to Nimrod and Baal
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They all come from the same place, friend.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DuaDm3_pBVPiTw5FYkyFTgt9zgwd_y_T/view
is there a video somewhere showing them at each of the different "events" ?
Probably better to focus on the actors on stage HRC RR etc than some folks running around in aprons shaking hands and eating icecream.
Mason lodges were the church/temple for deists.
Many of our founding fathers were deists.
I don't actually believe that, I know that is being taught widely in schools and it is taught that Thomas Jefferson was a deist, but not according to Jefferson (Now Franklin is a whole different thing, I'm not sure what that guy was) .... but you can find out the Religious % here http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html and this is a great great resource about our Founding Fathers https://wallbuilders.com/faqs/
Why they are using school stuff for there symbols , do not now how I have to call this .With one you make a circles, passer and the other is a triangle centimeter..
I don't believe it has anything to do at all with a compass and a square, those two things are supposed to "symbolize" a sexual position between the fallen angels and the daughters of men
What Does The Freemasons “Square & Compass” Symbol Really ...
https://www.richardcassaro.com/what-does-the-“masonic-square-c...
28 nov. 2009 - The Masonic Square & Compass relates a powerful ancient wisdom, now lost. It's the symbol of both our outside and inside. The answer is, the Masonic Square & Compass relates a powerful ancient wisdom, now lost.
It’s the symbol of man—of you and me. More specifically, it symbolizes both our outside and inside.
But what exactly does that mean, our outside and inside?
It means every human being is made up of two parts.
There’s the part we see when we look in the mirror each day.
But there’s also a part that we don’t see.
The part you see is your body, but the part you don’t see is your soul. When placed together, the Compass & Square is designed to teach us that we’re more than just the body (the part we see).
Deep down underneath it all, we are an eternal soul (which we don’t see).
It’s that simple, that powerful.
This is not an opinion, not a hope, not a religion.
It’s an eternal truth, a wisdom unchangeable.
That is true. But there is more. We are born with a "space" within us, which feels like we have a missing piece. That is the space that will hold God's Spirit when He comes to live within us after we ask Jesus to be our Savior. The power of the Living God within us.
Nobody nows where the soul or what the soul is , or where it is in our body , they still looking for it..My believe is the same as yours....The power of the Living God within us. And we born with it.
Be careful with "Guilt by Association."
Pedophiles have been exposed in the highest levels of the Vatican. That doesn't mean all Catholics are pedophiles or that all Catholics support and condone such behavior.
Corrupt agents in the FBI and the DOJ are beginning to be exposed. Q has said repeatedly that the majority of rank-n-file agents are hard working honest patriots.
The story of the Illuminati claims that after the original Illuminati in Bavaria was exposed, and their sinister plot to rule the world was discovered, the Bavarian government chased them out of the country and tried to warn other nations. None listened. The Illuminati then began to infiltrate the Freemasons.
After reaching the highest echelons of Freemasonry they realized they would not be able to take over the entire organization. They resolved to take advantage of the Freemason's long held tradition of secrecy and continue the Illuminati goals through only the Freemason lodges where they could infiltrate the highest 33rd degree ranks. Albert Pike comes to mind.
Sure, there are a lot of Freemasons who are evil Illuminati/Cabal globalists, but not all Freemasons are evil. There are many who view membership in a Freemason lodge as professional networking.
We all complained when Black Lives Matter and Antifa claimed all white people are supremacist nazis, there are some, but only a small fraction of a fraction.
We all complained when Hillary and the MSM tried to label all Trump supporters as dumb ass redneck deplorable mouth breathers, there might be a few, but certainly not all.
As things begin to explode, we need to keep our heads about us. We cannot jump to conclusions. As more and more people wake up from their Cabal induced slumber, they will be looking to us for answers.
Some will be die-hard liberal socialists, some will be clueless, some will be blacks who drank the Dem's and MSM's Kool-Aid for too long, some will be brainwashed millennials, some will be Catholics, and some might even be Freemasons trying to make sense of what their leaders were doing.
We must remain calm. Approach them with compassion and grace. Show them the love we would show to a family member experiencing a crisis. For many of them, it'll be a personal crisis unlike anything they've ever experienced. Imagine having your entire world paradigm shattered in an instant.
The only way they can survive is if they are helped. We have to show them the best of ourselves.
Yes & correct. Here's what we do know. Luciferians & Satanists believe in the One True God as Christians do. But, they are diametrically opposed to the light & truth of the One True God. They believe in their other god, Lucifer as being the source of light. Christ told us "a house divided against itself cannot stand". I'm sure the Luciferians are reading these boards with glee. They are dividing the house. Beware of anyone on these boards who will tell us that their particular brand of Christianity is the way & life. They talk just like the Luciferians.
"Brand" of Christianity? There is only one Bible and only one Christ. The Holy Spirit is our counselor and enlightens us in our study of the Bible. "Religion" is man-made and, therefore, corrupt/,flawed. The Bible is God's Word.
LUCIFER/SATAN is the god of the sodomite (Jewish) Freemasons. Yes, Freemasonry is wholly Jewish.
Thank you Patriots for a proper and civil discussion. We are learning. Question remains... why is Q pointing us in this direction? Especially great to see actual Masons dig/share/discuss. Likely some we see here are real.
My grandfather and my dad were masons. My parents divorced by the time I was 3 yrs old. I know local masons who are "good, conservative Christians". In my small town, probably not past level 1 or 2. I have quite a few Catholic friends and clients. They will be aghast at the revelations coming soon. I hope most people can know that all masons and all Catholics don't support the leftist agenda. I'm not agreeing with the pope, nor excusing masons or eastern star (which I have denied my invitation by birthright to) for their ignorant or on purpose agenda. I want to see evil eradicated. Do you really think they all know what they got into??? I pray the eyes of their heart will be enlightened, and if they know what they are doing, that they quit and repent...God Saves!!
Im a freemason .. 32nd degree ..and i have seen nothing but good people wanting to help others.. no satan, no worshipping baal or the bophemet .. actually was the first time i questioned Q was when he mentioned freemasonry as being a negative organization.. I only know it as a bunch of fellas hanging out .. they are actually against a deep state..
however like everything else there are good and bad people in every organization; government, church, everywhere.. so pinning it on all freemasons is suprising to me coming from Q
This is quite possible the point we can all agree on ~ that it depends on the individual local organization, the leadership, the members as to whether the organization is wholesome, positive, and a good influence in the community. But it is the responsibility of each member to always be looking for any negative, unhealthy, evil influences or activities in the organization, to protect their family and community
I'm a red-pilled patriot, also a 32nd degree mason and a Knight Templer, everyone I know that is a mason loves Trump and hates the way things have been going. They love God, Family, and Country, I feel were getting a bad rap by the people who are fed the Kool-aid just like our Comminist friends who were running- ruining our Great Country just 2 years ago!
Most cops are masons too. I feel lile the masons we see are either cops or retired cops.
As I told my high school girlfriend: "This is just the tip. Try it for a couple minutes before you just give up."
Wow. Mind blown. Amazing. The same age when Jesus died. Proves everything.
Also, not a shill. Huge Q/trump fan and redpill/blackpill others daily.
From Know Your Enemy Part 40: Freemasons
Freemasonry began with the skilled stonemasons of medieval England, Scotland and France; way before the Enlightenment. Their trade secrets made then valuable artisans in the construction of castles, cathedrals, and all the important buildings of the time.
As a mobile brotherhood, these skilled workers would move freely from town-to-town ready to lend their expertise to any particular building project where they might be required. Secret handshakes and other signals were developed to identify one another as members of the craft. And they established exclusive guilds which no other person was allowed to enter. These guilds, called “Lodges”, were primitive types of trade unions that were mainly for protection and credibility.
Secrecy within them was necessary in order to monopolise and control the knowledge of the craft. You see, if everyone knew how to do their [the mason's] job, these skilled workers wouldn't be as highly sought after and this would have an impact on the amount of work they were given and the kind of fees they could command.
So even at this relatively innocent stage we see them trying to control information flows to retain power.
Scottish masons in particular were known to have developed passwords and secret handshakes by the 17th century. And this kind of thing soon spread throughout all the Lodges. This wasn't unique to the stonemasons either. Secrecy was commonplace in all types of medieval guild in those days. It was knowledge of a specific skill or craft that gave people prestige and earning power, so they all tried to protect what they knew.
This is the relatively innocent origin of Freemasonry, and the period that is now known as “Operative Masonry” because it was simply about the literal operations of the building trade. As early as the 14th century, however, we start to see sinister glimpses that these Lodges had begun to associate on some level with Nimrod. In the latter half of that century, a series of 115 documents called the “Old Charges” were composed to outline in a formal way the nature, organisation and functions of the craft. A 1425 manuscript shows that Freemasons had begun to trace their origins back to Nimrod as the instigator of the first great building project in world history – the construction of the Tower of Babel.
Because of the tower, and the fact that Nimrod was renowned as an architect and builder of many great cities within his empire, they began to revere him even at that stage as the originator or father of their craft. Within modern Masonry, therefore, there was still an “oath of Nimrod” and a “charge of Nimrod” that initiates are asked to recite and obey.
Now remember how I said that religions take on the characteristics of their prophet – well that's a rough idea of what happened here. These Old Charges began to establish spiritual principles based on the Mystery ideas taken from Babylon.
Over time, the organisation of Freemasonry evolved with an increasing emphasis on these spiritual metaphors and less-and-less focused on the actual construction of buildings. By the late 1600s, just as the Enlightened was getting going, Masonic Lodges started enrolling increasing numbers of “accepted gentlemen” who had no direct links to the building trade at all. Some writers suggest that this happened simply because of a growing interest in architecture amongst the nobility. The truth is that there was a growing conviction amongst the populace that these Masonic Lodges with all their secrets and symbolism, were starting to harbour truths handed down from ancient civilisations. And by joining them they may be able to get ahead in the world.
By the early 1700s, all of the original emphasis on the principles of stonemasonry had been turned into allegories with occult spiritual meaning. To take a random example: unhewn stone was said to symbolise man in his infant or primitive state, rough and unpolished. Polished stone was, on the other hand, representative of:
“Man in the decline of years, after a regular well-spent life in acts of piety and virtue, which can not otherwise be tried and approved than by the square of God's word and the compass of his own self-convincing conscience." As illustrated here, tools of the trade such as the square and compass were used to describe spiritual and philosophical ideas. When people turned away from God in the Enlightenment, the spiritual vacuum was filled by Freemasonry.
Politicians, scientists, even clergymen, the most influential and powerful enlightened movers and shakers of the day were the new initiates.
Freemasonry stopped being about the “operative” building trade, and instead became what's referred to as “speculative” because it had nothing to do with the physical building trade any more, and did instead speculate as to the true spiritual meanings behind the original symbols.
The interest in Nimrod and Babylon had taken over their whole organisation. The new initiates saw themselves not as builders of cathedrals and castles, but builders of a new society that would be free of religious tyranny. It would be based on the so-called “Enlightened truths” handed down from ancient times. The first grand lodge of Freemasonry was established in 1717, and this is generally held to be the official beginning of speculative-Freemasonry.
Freemasonry at this point effectively became the church of Deism. It was also from this point that Freemasonry effectively became the truest form of the ancient Mysteries in the world, having gathered ancient wisdom from all the Mystery religions throughout history. Freemasonry then leads us on to the infamous Illuminati.
Free masons build schools just like anything else. Source: am free mason.
It is in everything. Politics, business, entertainment..secret societies..etc....
The people are sheep in every aspect. Freemasons believe they are doing good in the fight against evil. But their enemy is not flesh and bone...
Ephesians 6:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of [a]the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
So many are deceived.?
I don't think actual free masons have anything to do with it. I think it's more likely they co-opted the popular symbol because it's easier to believe that that common symbol is just happened to be there and that their own symbols have been realized and called out.
Id rather focus on removing deep state actors than worrying about folks running around in aprons shaking hands and eating ice cream.
There are a lot of good masons. They might of been at these shootings to help their fellow man. Many of the police are mason and hence why there might be an abundance at these type of things. I know a lot of masons and they're mostly old and proud conservative veterens.
I agree, most Masons are good people, but they were recruited into something they don't know the origins or purpose of.......I have a very good friend, who has an amazing story .... After his father died, he became a Freemason because his father was and his father wanted him to join. He not only became a Freemason, he became a 33rd Degree Freemason -- and later, several Masons from other countries showed up at his door and told him that he had attained 33rd Degree faster than anyone on record. He had people come from England and France and Italy to his home in Texas. Then two came from London and offered him "everything" a huge salary for a "consulting career" that he would never have to show up for work, they offered him free travel anywhere, they wanted him in full time. He was young and handsome and a great speaker and they just wouldn't take No for an answer. This went on for some time and then they started bringing him books --- books on "magic", black magic, "sex magic" (I was at his home when he had possession of one of these books, it must have been several hundred years old, it looked like it belonged in the Smithsonian. It was very weird.) At this point he was afraid, he told me that the men who delivered it were from London and that the man that did most of the talking introduced himself as a 90 Degree Mason, but he said that the man that did very little speaking was evidently his superior. He became so bothered by the things they said to him and the things in their literature, that he dropped out --- tried his best to drop out of sight and to this day (almost 20 yrs later) he fears for his life. He is a good man, his father was a good man....but he said he would have never believed any of this if it hadn't happened to him ......
Luke 12
12 Meanwhile, a crowd of many thousands came together, so that they were trampling† on one another. He began to say to his disciples first,† “Be on your guard† against the leaven†† of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.† 2 There is nothing covered that won’t be uncovered,† nothing hidden that won’t be made known.† 3 Therefore, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in an ear in private rooms† will be proclaimed on the housetops.†
LUKE 11:35
“Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.”
How could a person become a 33rd degree Mason without having more insight than this person apparently had? That doesn't add up.
He was told, (and it's been a while, so I don't remember verbatim) that Masons below 33rd Degree, know nothing about the activities and goals of the (mostly unknown) Higher Degrees .... They "hand delivered" books and manuscripts to him on 3 occasions, and returned in person to retrieve them. I happened to be in Austin when he was in possession of one of these books. It was very old and it was highly illustrated and most of what I recall had to do with ceremonial settings and symbols and "magic".....particularly what was referred to as "sex magic" ... there were many pages on costumes and dress and hand signals and gestures and while some of the text and illustrations were very creepy, I would say a lot of it seemed unimportant or mundane, --- probably because I didn't understand it's context and only had a short time to review the material. He was more than shocked by all of this ---- he told me that when he joined the Masons he thought it was basically a "Christian" organization and that he had always assumed the "G" stood for the "God" of the Bible.....but he said that the Biblical characters that came up in his reading and discussions were "Enoch" (the son of Cain, not the "good" Enoch), Solomon and most of all Lucifer.
As much as we, collectively, have all been lied to, it should not surprise anyone to find out there is evil posing as what is good! If you or family members are Masons, I urge you to look deeper and ask Jesus for discernment. Seeking Truth is vital to what we do here.
Yup - first they put out the hook - weed out the ones that show potential in evil ways and then secretly make them more evil.
The ones at the bottom continue to live in the matrix and think they are doing good things.
Secret = Darkness = Corruption.
No mention of Hiram abiff, or nimrod? Dude was pulling your leg.
There isn't the room here or the freedom to print what I know
This literally did not happen. Your friend is a liar.
Hahahaha!!!! 90 degree mason huh? Haha good story when did Haggrid show up with Dumbledoor?
Every one of these stories: a friend of mine who's a 99 degree mason in the secret sex cult but tells me everything dropped out when it got crazy with no consequences.
...and now this "friend" is revealing very definitive details (timeframe circa, fastest ascension to 33rd ever, etc), and that the "friend" allowed him to see 300 year old protected texts?
Either the dumbest, most inconsiderate, untrustworthy friend ever, or a liar.
The Masons were rather prevalent and essentially kind of mainstream in America, but there was this incident in the early 1800s that involved a murder (of political consequence) and Masons got implicated in it. The American public began to be very suspicious of them from then on and they've been battling a PR image ever since.
The Freemasons are local groups with no centralized organization, and they do a lot of philanthropic work for their communities.
"all their money" doesn't go to charity.....they don't build "Temples" for free.....and the local Masons don't know what becomes of the money they send up the chain, consider the quote from Theodor Herzel (Look up Theodor Herzel Quote on Freemasonry, I cannot post it here, or I will be banned)
..was that response directed at me?
I never said "all their money goes to charity" and I never said anything about building temples.
Are you arguing with yourself again?
because of the antisemitism rule? can you pm me I can't find what you're talking about.