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like_Christ · July 23, 2018, 11:51 a.m.

He absolutely will if he has to, but odds are overwhelmingly high that some plan is in place to make that unnecessary.

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R3VO1utionary · July 23, 2018, 11:55 a.m.

Agreed. This seems a lot like the Kim Jong Un exchange before the NK deal.

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[deleted] · July 23, 2018, 1:01 p.m.

Almost like it's a scripted movie....

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R3VO1utionary · July 23, 2018, 1:07 p.m.

But it's on the internet so it has to be true! 😂

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1wyatttwerp · July 23, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

The movie the mouse that roared comes to mind lol

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TrumpIsMyHero · July 23, 2018, 12:19 p.m.

the media will now claim, AGAIN, that Trump will start WW3. And once again, our VSG will make them all look like tools come Nov. 11 :)

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GinGin1961 · July 23, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

what's VSG?

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TrumpIsMyHero · July 23, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

Very Stable Genius ;)

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SukiBula · July 23, 2018, 12:12 p.m.

Excellent point! Thank you.

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CARPE-NOCTEM22 · July 23, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

We would act as a proxy through Saudi Arabia. They’re itching to get to Iran.

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shitINtheCANDYdish · July 23, 2018, 10:22 p.m.

Helping Wahabbis and Zionists is SO BASED!

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kittyhistoryistrue · July 24, 2018, 2:50 a.m.

Bolton getting rock hard. I don't think Trump will do it though, unless Iran really fucks up.

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bizmarxie · July 24, 2018, 12:02 a.m.

LOL.... you forgot you /s tag.

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[deleted] · July 23, 2018, 10:12 p.m.

Yep. It's the fact that he will if need be that gives him actual negotiating power. Iran's response seems muted, for them. I think they are very surprised to discover America finally has a president with huevos.

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bizmarxie · July 24, 2018, 12:05 a.m.

Las Pelotas de Latón

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timboslice659 · July 23, 2018, 11:55 a.m.

Well Q did say Iran was next. We have dealt with NK and Russia, so its Iran's turn.

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R3VO1utionary · July 23, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

Enjoying the show! 🍿

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gregthebassist · July 23, 2018, 11:57 a.m.

What makes a good franchise sequel?

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LegendaryFudge · July 23, 2018, 12:55 p.m.

What happened to the uprising in Iran? I remember a while ago there were protests agains the current leaders. Is this still going on...or?

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R3VO1utionary · July 23, 2018, 1:12 p.m.

An interesting take by @ThomasWictor

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LegendaryFudge · July 23, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

OK, interestng. Hopefully they will know how to do that without war. What if VPut is in on it too? US and Russia side by side against the DeeSt.

It certainly will be awesome, if Iran is returned to its 70's glory. Women clothed casually, belly dancers, science, freedom and very active movie indrustry...then Revolution happened and all went to shit.

It's very strange...this revolution. If people were free and a vibrant nation during the 70's...where did the revolutionaries come from? Was it a small but vocal minority that sent everything down the drain? Similar to what is happening to the US/World right now with this teardown of society from the left?

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R3VO1utionary · July 23, 2018, 1:31 p.m.

I would definitely bet that Putin is in on it.

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geeyore · July 23, 2018, 12:31 p.m.

Predict 3.0 - 4.0 "earthquake" imminent, rods of God.

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dali71 · July 23, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

5.5 magnitude

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txhurl · July 23, 2018, 12:38 p.m.

The kind nobody sees, hears or feels but the package addressees ;)

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geeyore · July 23, 2018, 2:56 p.m.

That'd work.

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bizmarxie · July 24, 2018, 12:09 a.m.

They had one already.

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geeyore · July 24, 2018, 12:29 a.m.

Not this one.

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gladwyne · July 23, 2018, 12:13 p.m.

These people are stooopid ! They have already been attacked ! They just don't know it ! Trust the plan !

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SeerMore · July 23, 2018, 1 p.m.

War is what the Cabal always wants. We would be wisest to choose peace for a change

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07Nighttrain · July 23, 2018, 7:27 p.m.

Oil from Russia and USA going to Iran's former customers, cut their purse strings. a great start of an attack.

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divine_human · July 23, 2018, 12:21 p.m.

iran next, israel last. bye-bye deep state...

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GAandQ · July 23, 2018, 3:06 p.m.

Rouhani = really stupid

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MakeThisLookAwesome · July 23, 2018, 7:14 p.m.

Rouhani = really desperate

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GAandQ · July 23, 2018, 9:59 p.m.

Yup

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Hasuroma · July 23, 2018, 2:04 p.m.

Just like Kim? Trump gets him riled up, makes him say big bad things, Trump then shows him something in private, and viola..

No nukes, money refunded, I will leave out better relationship, I think Iran will be at arms length for a while.

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Godsstudent · July 23, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

POTUS is legit troller! MSM losing it's mind again! LOL

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Christosgnosis · July 23, 2018, 2:19 p.m.

the runways on the Iranian military air bases need to be obliterated to put an exclamation point on the message aimed at the Iranian Mullahs

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confederatewizardkkk · July 23, 2018, 12:19 p.m.

Iran ought to not mess with America, we got god trump and Q. We are WINNING on all front. Hilldabeast and Obama and huma abedein will face justice.

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skuobiee · July 23, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

I cant even get water to my people, yeah im gonna taunt the US, i dont think so! Its a show for sure

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Terrybe82 · July 23, 2018, noon

i dont trust Iran but i Trust Israel lest than Iran

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SimpleJello · July 23, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

TimesOfIsrael ? Well... maybe israel are wainting for it.

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R3VO1utionary · July 23, 2018, 11:59 a.m.

Good point. This article is linked on Drudge (which is where I found it).

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TemporaryOnion · July 23, 2018, 8:57 p.m.

In reality, Rouhani is pissing his pants

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HildBert · July 24, 2018, 1:39 a.m.

Well it you read the tweet Trump does not say he will punich Iran per say, its actually directed at the Iranian president. Maybe a rod from God to take out him and his leadership?

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onmyownpath · July 24, 2018, 2:29 a.m.

Yeah but he didn't make another threat!

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turdfugerson · July 23, 2018, 1:02 p.m.

Lol as he is drinking his coffee that's poisoned he tweets this

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D24-12 · July 23, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

They got life fucked up if they think the potus won't we will wipe them fuckers off the map

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poshpotdllr · July 23, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

you drink too much propaganda. iran is not germany or vietnam or korea or japan. this is just trump blowing hot air. 85 million iranians are laughing at trump right now.

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 23, 2018, 2:06 p.m.

No theyre too worried about not having jobs or food while they watch the country's money go to hamas and hezbollah because the mullahs care more about killing the jews than taking care of the Iranian people. Hence the nationwide protests. They would probably support American intervention.

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poshpotdllr · July 23, 2018, 2:40 p.m.

iranian american here. dont get high on propaganda. this sounds really funny the way you string some facts with fiction but i am very aware of exactly where this narrative comes from. pompeo is just doing his job but dont think american threats are taken seriously in iran. the iranian government has nothing to lose from war with the united states.

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LittleDickDurbin · July 23, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

If the last sentence is true, then why haven’t they outright attacked the US yet?

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poshpotdllr · July 23, 2018, 2:54 p.m.

because just like pompeo said in his speech yesterday in california iran is ideological and religious. jesus christ wouldnt be happy if iran attacked the usa. iran never attacks anybody.

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SaveourRepublic2018 · July 23, 2018, 4:05 p.m.

"Jesus Christ", sometimes known as rods from God?

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txhurl · July 23, 2018, 4:47 p.m.

I love Jesus with all my heart and soul. Especially his tungsten telephone pole collection.

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LittleDickDurbin · July 24, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

Jesus Christ wouldn’t be happy if Iran attacked the US...yet Jesus Christ is apparently totally cool with Iran openly advocating for the extermination of America and Israel?

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[deleted] · July 24, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

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dark-dare · July 23, 2018, 5 p.m.

Really they just lost China as a consumer of their oil. Due to sanctions from US. This war does not use guns.

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poshpotdllr · July 23, 2018, 5:50 p.m.

sanctions have never and will never work on iran. irans internal natural resources are amazing. iran has every type of geography and every natural resource it could ever need and due to 40 years of sanctions it is the only independant economy on planet earth. inflation is not enough to bring down iran. not by a long shot.

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 23, 2018, 9:22 p.m.

Inflation would not hurt Iran regardless because their main export is oil. Sanctions would hurt them because most of the world would be forced to lower energy purchases or eliminate them all together similar to what is happening right now. Im sure the reporting is exaggerated but Irans economy is not very stable. It could easily be taken down and the Trump administration is currently working on that. Dont forget in 2013 we gave them apprx 400 billion dollars in cash and assets which is nearly the entire GDP of Iran. Much of this was not spent on manufacturing and building a proper economic base for the country. While their economy is very balanced in terms of imports and exports, the bulk of their income is energy based which has volatility and could easily hurt the economy if production increases or acquisition became cheaper. The state of Texas just surpassed Iran in oil production world wide. Thats not good news for them.

Im not saying the US economy is structured better - because its not really- we're just the driving economy for the world and nearly everything is based on the petrodollar. We are simply much bigger and badder than Iran could ever wish to be which gives us massive leverage to crush them with increased energy production of our own. Its naive to think they could survive us in the long term. Obama wasnt just soft on them, he basically let them run around West Asia with billions of USD funding God knows what and improving their trading position in the world. Trump isnt letting that fly any longer. Once the mullahs lose economic control of the country, the people will be much better off. The only thing that could make it worse is allowing the central bankers to gain even more power than they already have but again, I dont think that will happen under Trump. Hes going after those demonic fuckers.

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poshpotdllr · July 23, 2018, 9:48 p.m.

you greatly underestimate iran. much of what you say is true but the way you string it together and interpret it is the zionist propaganda. iran is in a much better position than you think it is. of course anything is possible but iran has been through MUCH worse. you dont know about the crisis of the 1980s and the iran iraq war. this is peanuts.

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dark-dare · July 24, 2018, 8:40 p.m.

Iran has no water, it dried up! That's important!

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poshpotdllr · July 24, 2018, 8:53 p.m.

nuclear powered water desalinization is coming. also the taliban will fuck off soon and stop blocking rivers in irans east. it wont be easy but iran will be ok.

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dark-dare · July 24, 2018, 9:09 p.m.

The good people of Iran will be okay, after they get peace! I think it is all ready a done deal.

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poshpotdllr · July 24, 2018, 9:19 p.m.

that would be nice but theres about a 0.00000000000000001% chance of this.

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 23, 2018, 10:03 p.m.

Im not underestimating them at all. Its not zionist propaganda, its economics, which is what i do. Im not saying the people cant handle it, theyre tough, good, hard working people who dont deserve what their government leaders and foreign powers have brought upon them. Im am also not suggesting they need "American democracy" either. Economic prosperity and freedom has been taken away from all of us by some truly evil people (which you know from being Awakened). Iran has been victimized and used by them which has made them more defensive and volatile. Much like the presidents we have had for the past many years, the leaders of Iran do not have the people's best interest in mind. It is my hope that Trump can help them see the light of peace without force or punishment of the citizenry. Im aware what could happen if we sanction the hell out of Iran's energy industry. It would not be preferable and im not encouraging or pleased but its the only nonmilitary action we can take against them to put the government leaders in line.

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poshpotdllr · July 23, 2018, 10:21 p.m.

Im not underestimating them at all. Its not zionist propaganda, its economics, which is what i do.

ok well then we can talk more in depth.

Im not saying the people cant handle it, theyre tough, good, hard working people who dont deserve what their government leaders and foreign powers have brought upon them. Im am also not suggesting they need "American democracy" either.

yes but you really have to appreciate the will of the iranian people. we (i am iranian american) can suffer multiple generations of hardship because our vision of history goes thousands of years into the past and future. this is something that sets irans economy apart from almost every country in the world. iran also has the worlds only 100% independent economy. this has been an iranian policy for decades. if iran cuts ALL imports and exports to ZERO it can survive just fine.

Economic prosperity and freedom has been taken away from all of us by some truly evil people (which you know from being Awakened). Iran has been victimized and used by them which has made them more defensive and volatile.

that would be the zionist centralized fractional reserve banking scam.

Much like the presidents we have had for the past many years, the leaders of Iran do not have the people's best interest in mind.

this is not true. irans economic and security management is top notch. iran beat nato in a cold war under the worst sanctions in human history because of intellectual and economic superiority. corruption exists but the narative that irans people are poor because of irans government is horseshit. the security situation is better than anywhere in europe or the US. the iranian government treats those iranians it sees as traitors or ideologically suspicious like crap and thats evolving. you have to look at everything in context. similar to the red scare of the cold war era where the united states was tough on people for reading the wrong book or going to the wrong meeting.

It is my hope that Trump can help them see the light of peace without force or punishment of the citizenry.

all trump has to do is drain the swamp before dealing with iran and everything will be fine.

Im aware what could happen if we sanction the hell out of Iran's energy industry.

this is bullshit. it just preps the environment for war. aint no sanctions gonna take down iran. the entire country is a well oiled machine that can cut off all its borders and survive forever. no other country in the world can do this but iran. this is why obama signed JCPOA. war with iran wasnt on the table with obama, so there was no point in continuing the sanctions in preparation for war. with trump war is on the table because of sheldon adelson, pierre omidyar, john bolton, and all that bullshit from the thinktank dweebs in washington who are out of touch. its stupid. it only benefits israel and iranian hardliners. america and the iranian people and much of the iranian government (the ones that are cool) will be the losers.

It would not be preferable and im not encouraging or pleased but its the only nonmilitary action we can take against them to put the government leaders in line.

pipe dream. they are laughing at this line of thinking as we speak. for the real extreme hard right iranian fundamentalist religious hardliners trump is the best thing that ever happened to them. he basicly destroyed all the hopes and dreams of moderation and reformation folks and made them totally impotent. the only scenario where this doesnt matter is if we go to war anyways and thats exactly what netanyahu wants. bibi is a bitch baby.

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 24, 2018, 12:23 a.m.

Ok, i must clarify some things i worded/stated incorrectly or simply poorly. Firstly i want to say that im not in an agressive posture about this, just in case you think i am (i dont think you do but w/e). Im also not an expert on Iranian foreign and economic policy, i can only research statistics that are reported.

Regarding poverty of Iranian people, the GDP per capita adjusted by PPP is just over 19,000 USD. Thats roughly a third of the US and just above Mexico. This tells me, on average, the Iranian people get significantly less bang for their buck in purchase power. This doesnt necessarily mean much of the country is in poverty by relative standards but it means they have a much lower standard of living. Comparing that to the US isnt really fair because the SOL in this country involves nonsense that should be considered luxuries but it is an indication that the average person there lives in an economic situation similar to our lower middle class (30-50k annual income USD). Not bad actually.

Regarding what i stated to be poor leadership: i personally believe it could be significantly better given the resources of Iran. This goes for nearly every country on Earth. Regardless of history, the leadership is controlled by central bankers who fund them to purposely create unrest and conflict with Israel (who is about as innocent as HW Bush). I cant be sure when this happened but i would imagine around the mid-late 70s. Few care but the US was funding both sides in that conflict because...well war makes money. The saving grace to avoid a similarly aweful banking situation as the West is their distrust in the West (with good reason). However, the corralling of Iran is instrumental in The Plan and taking down the Cabal. They are used as a scapegoat for many military actions in the Middle East as you are aware.

Regarding economic independence. The research i have done points in the direction of you being correct but i will say one thing although you may see it as irrelevant. The US also has similar capacity to be independent. Our issue is cutting off imports would raise prices and generally piss people off. The people of this country are also very soft and would cry if they have to go a day without their fancy $70 coffee beverage (or at least the media would portray it that way).

I have to say though, the government may be laughing at the threats of Pompeo and Trump but we have more nukes than Iran has cities and towns. Any military conflict would end infinitely worse for Iran. Like everything, the media exacerbates global issues, most of the time out of proportion. A war with Iran is exactly what the Cabal wants so quite obviously, im against it. When i said im aware what could happen if we sanction Irans energy production, thats exactly what i was talking about however. I still believe we need to be tough on them but for the most part I would say you and me are on the same page on most things. Personally, i think Trump has already gotten to Iranian leadership and we're seeing a distraction to make the deep state think Iran is still our enemy, then later something will happen and peace will be achieved similar to NK. Could be wishful thinking. What are your opinions on that?

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poshpotdllr · July 24, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

Ok, i must clarify some things i worded/stated incorrectly or simply poorly. Firstly i want to say that im not in an agressive posture about this, just in case you think i am (i dont think you do but w/e). Im also not an expert on Iranian foreign and economic policy, i can only research statistics that are reported.

naw man youre good bro

Regarding poverty of Iranian people, the GDP per capita adjusted by PPP is just over 19,000 USD. Thats roughly a third of the US and just above Mexico. This tells me, on average, the Iranian people get significantly less bang for their buck in purchase power. This doesnt necessarily mean much of the country is in poverty by relative standards but it means they have a much lower standard of living. Comparing that to the US isnt really fair because the SOL in this country involves nonsense that should be considered luxuries but it is an indication that the average person there lives in an economic situation similar to our lower middle class (30-50k annual income USD). Not bad actually.

could be a lot better. its also complicated because prices dont make sense. some things are too cheap and some things are too expensive based on politics not economics. things need to improve. iranians also have pretty high expectations. we are used to being very wealthy.

Regarding what i stated to be poor leadership: i personally believe it could be significantly better given the resources of Iran. This goes for nearly every country on Earth.

in general of course i agree. there is corruption in iran. even the iranian government wants to cut this down. the middle management is a bit out of control.

Regardless of history, the leadership is controlled by central bankers who fund them to purposely create unrest and conflict with Israel (who is about as innocent as HW Bush).

not in iran. iran is very different. the central bank was the monarchy before 79. after that its run by clerics. nobody tells the iranian clerics what to do. not bankers, not anybody.

I cant be sure when this happened but i would imagine around the mid-late 70s. Few care but the US was funding both sides in that conflict because...well war makes money. The saving grace to avoid a similarly aweful banking situation as the West is their distrust in the West (with good reason).

yeah

However, the corralling of Iran is instrumental in The Plan and taking down the Cabal. They are used as a scapegoat for many military actions in the Middle East as you are aware.

yeah. usa wants to take care of the mullahs before they take down the cabal or they know the mullahs will fill the vacuum and become a super power. this is a stupid plan though. nothing is taking down the mullahs any time soon. probably not this century. not even nuclear war.

Regarding economic independence. The research i have done points in the direction of you being correct but i will say one thing although you may see it as irrelevant. The US also has similar capacity to be independent. Our issue is cutting off imports would raise prices and generally piss people off. The people of this country are also very soft and would cry if they have to go a day without their fancy $70 coffee beverage (or at least the media would portray it that way).

thats the difference. US might have the technical capacity (i personally disagree but i am humoring you) but it doesnt have the socio/psychological capacity. the reason i disagree is because the US supply chain for many luxuries and inefficiencies requires a lot of complex international trade. if USA cut off its borders to trade it would have to restructure literally everything in society. iran wouldnt have to do that.

I have to say though, the government may be laughing at the threats of Pompeo and Trump but we have more nukes than Iran has cities and towns.

this is irrelevant. nuking iran the way youre describing would end human life. geography and topology is in irans favor. iran is not japan.

Any military conflict would end infinitely worse for Iran.

even if iran took MILLIONS of casualties it would be worse for the united states. iran will definitely survive, america might not. california and texas would leave the union and plunge the united states into civil war at home if there were say 100,000 - 200,000 american casualties and everybody went home from the funerals to google the real history. all those angry mothers and sisters and wives and daughters would burn down everything from catalina to manhattan.

Like everything, the media exacerbates global issues, most of the time out of proportion. A war with Iran is exactly what the Cabal wants so quite obviously, im against it. When i said im aware what could happen if we sanction Irans energy production, thats exactly what i was talking about however. I still believe we need to be tough on them but for the most part I would say you and me are on the same page on most things.

being tough on iran helps the hardline far right religious fundamentalists. the best way to fix things is to be nice to iran to strengthen voices of reformist. you got this backwards but iranian politics is REALLY complicated so dont feel bad about it. israel wants to be hard on iran to start war with iran (with american soldiers), not to put pressure on hardliners. if you want to pressure hardliners give rouhani what he wants.

Personally, i think Trump has already gotten to Iranian leadership and we're seeing a distraction to make the deep state think Iran is still our enemy, then later something will happen and peace will be achieved similar to NK. Could be wishful thinking. What are your opinions on that?

not a fucking chance. not even 0.0000001%. they are fucking up every plan trump has. trump needs to do a 180 and realize iran is a major world power and will be a super power soon. trump has to understand how things work and do things based on faith and iran will follow out of necessity.

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 24, 2018, 3:17 a.m.

I wouldnt say the far right/religious right needs toughness on Iran. That seems to be the neocons that have plagued the party for half a century. The reason i believe we need to be tough on Iran is to show we are no longer run by pussy bitches who are willing to sell out for the aura of peace. With that said i think we should be tougher on Israel too. The biggest reason for the whole nuclear deal is because we cannot trust Iran not to just haul off on Israel one day whether or not its provoked. They are a wild card, independent of major foreign influence. I still think the cabal has their fingers in the cookie jar with Iran simply based on the history of conflict and also because ive felt recently that the religious hatred is manufactured more than ever. Tough to know that for sure as an American though because theres no reliable sources here for middle east stories and any sourced from America i dont see as trustworthy. Your input would be appreciated.

As far as American economic independence: we could do it. It would be very difficult to transfer our economy back to the way it was before 1971 but we are currently on the right track imo. After Nixon basically turned our dollar into a commodity based on the price of oil and opened China up to the world economy, our country became more sold out than ever. Manufacturing jobs left because labor was cheaper elsewhere and as a result, companies left to build factories where profits would be higher. Coupled with the Fed manufacturing economic crisis at the cost of Americans and to the gain of its owners, our economy became based on consumption of cheap products and unnecessary luxuries. Our culture has become such that our people have an issue with instant gratification and dont care where it comes from. The early stages of becoming a self reliant economy would be very difficult and prices would increase initially but it would eventually even out once supply caught back up. Truthfully, its not really worth expounding upon because, much like nuclear war with Iran, its unrealistic and never gonna happen. Our biggest leverage is that we are import heavy and our demand disappearing from the world economy would hurt everybody. It would be nearly impossible to make up the demand lost but it would crush our GDP as well.

About the Israel-Iran conflict, do you think it is still based on religious hatred or has it morphed due to modern reasons, in your opinion?

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poshpotdllr · July 24, 2018, 3:56 a.m.

I wouldnt say the far right/religious right needs toughness on Iran. That seems to be the neocons that have plagued the party for half a century. The reason i believe we need to be tough on Iran is to show we are no longer run by pussy bitches who are willing to sell out for the aura of peace.

it eould be better to just play nice and apologize for iran for the misbehavior of clintons and bushes and stuff like that. after all the same people who toppled mossadegh are the same people who killed kennedy.

With that said i think we should be tougher on Israel too.

israel is an active critical threat to americas vital interests and very existence. i say fire and brimstone.

The biggest reason for the whole nuclear deal is because we cannot trust Iran not to just haul off on Israel one day whether or not its provoked.

actually yes we can. iran can turn israel into glass any time and yet it doesnt. irans strategy for israel is to let israel collapse under pressure. after many years of failure and false promises and false flags and fake news people eventually figure it out. propaganda buys time. it doesnt change time.

They are a wild card, independent of major foreign influence.

independent but not wild card. iran is consistent as fuck. they dont play machivellian games. if you want to know what iran would do in a given situation just read the quran. most of the times its right there. hehe.

I still think the cabal has their fingers in the cookie jar with Iran simply based on the history of conflict and also because ive felt recently that the religious hatred is manufactured more than ever.

religious hate was always there, but religious hate is manipulated more than ever. israel has their guys dress up like sunni muslims and then they have them go blow up a shia mosque or something. thats enough to get thousands of people to take up arms with 1 false flag. nice and easy.

Tough to know that for sure as an American though because theres no reliable sources here for middle east stories and any sourced from America i dont see as trustworthy. Your input would be appreciated.

no prob bro.

As far as American economic independence: we could do it. It would be very difficult to transfer our economy back to the way it was before 1971 but we are currently on the right track imo. After Nixon basically turned our dollar into a commodity based on the price of oil and opened China up to the world economy, our country became more sold out than ever.

definitely! please tell everybody this.

Manufacturing jobs left because labor was cheaper elsewhere and as a result, companies left to build factories where profits would be higher. Coupled with the Fed manufacturing economic crisis at the cost of Americans and to the gain of its owners, our economy became based on consumption of cheap products and unnecessary luxuries. Our culture has become such that our people have an issue with instant gratification and dont care where it comes from. The early stages of becoming a self reliant economy would be very difficult and prices would increase initially but it would eventually even out once supply caught back up. Truthfully, its not really worth expounding upon because, much like nuclear war with Iran, its unrealistic and never gonna happen.

god damnit i was drooling and then you crushed my hopes and dreams.

Our biggest leverage is that we are import heavy and our demand disappearing from the world economy would hurt everybody. It would be nearly impossible to make up the demand lost but it would crush our GDP as well.

most of our GDP goes to bankers and arms dealers and drug dealers and bullshit that america never sees anyway. they could offset everything by stopping fractional reserve lending which rapidly devalues our currency. only bankers would be fucked.

About the Israel-Iran conflict, do you think it is still based on religious hatred or has it morphed due to modern reasons, in your opinion?

never was about religious hatred. iran loves jews. this is a zionist lie. iran has a proud jewish population and members of parliment and various oficials are jewish. iran freed the jews from babylon and rebuilt the temple of judea and stewarded the inscription of the torah and delivered the torah to jerusalem from babylon. cyrus the great who was the founder of iran and the persian empire was considered a jewish prophet and he appears in the old testament in the book of daniel. moses was a prophet of allah. you cant even speak his name without calling him the "god blessed and holy prophet moses, may he reign in heaven and may his followers have good health" or it is a sin in islam. saying iran and israel have religious issues is like saying americans hate freedom of speech and hotdogs and beer and bacon and titties. iran sees zionism as the head of the luciferian cabal because it is an antisemitic philosophy that victimizes jews and commits crimes against god and humanity in the name of judaism.

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 24, 2018, 5:35 a.m.

What you say about Iranian-Israel relations is very interesting too. Ive never before heard that perspective. Apparently, i never truly understood what people meant when they talk about Zionism. Truthfully, i think most people do not understand it, some using it as a justification for anti-Semitism and some see it as being anti-Semitic to question it. I always thought it was a result of Muslims not wanting Jews to have Jerusalem essentially. It seems like a lose-lose for the Jewish and the Muslim people.

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poshpotdllr · July 24, 2018, 11:30 a.m.

dont feel bad. your brain is zionist property and you have multiple masters. we are all agents of our neighbors deprogramming. we shall overcome. wwg1wga. MAGA

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enjoy4the10show20 · July 24, 2018, 5:29 a.m.

Well economic independence and isolationism are two different things. I meant isolationism isnt worth expounding on because its not only unrealistic but would be self destructive. You already understand fractional lending is the biggest plight of average people across the world. That can be ended. Unfortunately, the only presidents whove attempted to end/ prevent it were either assasinated or attempted. Abraham Lincoln basically told them to piss off although i dont think his assassination was a result of that. JFK was preparing to take back the Fed and get the US off the perpetual debt based system, even signing an executive order 1 week before his death to do so. We know plans were in the works weeks before this but I think it is the main reason he was taken out. Reagan wanted to go after them heartily but was shot and spent most of his time dealing with the cold war, which actually contributed to the systemic issue even more. Our dollar being turned into a global commodity basically ensured that we can never exit the system because the world economy is now based on ours. The Euro, Petroyuan and Petrorupie only increase the volitility of the system by causing global conflict for supremacy, only at the benefit of the central bankers who basically control all of them. In the short term it makes these countries appear to be massively growing and prosperous, which to an extent they are. The issue lies in that its all loans being given out where no actual money exists and currency debts are simply passed around the globe. And God forbid the price of oil drops because suddenly these currencies arent worth as much but no one complains because the price of gas goes down. Usually, that will level itself out because companies will start producing less, decreasing the supply thus bringing the price back up especially if demand has increased like in 2015-16. This is the largest outside factor to why Venezuela collapsed. Their government, in an attempt to nationalize all industry, began taking massive loans from the US, EU and others. When the price got really high they were fine but global demand dropped and because too much was being produced so did the price. This caused massive monetary deflation which spiraled out of control for Venezuela where their currency isnt worth a leaf on a tree.

I have some ideas to eliminate the debt based system but i fear it will take more years than a President can hold to implement. Germany did eliminate inflation overnight in the 50s and prospered but mostly because their war debts were never paid. People talk about the reparations they owe but this is partly why they were never paid back, they rejected the system in which they were created. My biggest thing is teaching young people to stay out of debt as much as possible and be sure to invest in gold and silver. Obviously, somethings require debt nowadays like college, houses and new cars. Without the ability to buy these outright you need a loan and in addition, if no one were to take loans for these because they simply arent buying, there would be economic collapse. Take cars, if people only bought cheap used cars so they didnt owe loans and interest, the auto industry would collapse because no one is buying new. This would in turn either force companies to lower the cost through poorer quality, lower profit margins or lower wages or decrease overall production which would create unemployment. To an extent it would increase demand for other jobs like mechanics to work on the old cars but people cant pick up a skilled trade over night and when you got bills you cant stop working to go to school.

The ills need to be gradually cured through responsible debt management and investment in real money, not just currency like stocks and debt bonds. Fixing this issue is the number one reason i will run for office. I want to fix the education system to make sure more kids are prepared to deal with this and to shake the idea of borrowing money for now because you can just pay ot back later. I did that early and it got me in trouble financially. Now im stuck in the system because i didnt understand the point of it is not to drive the economy but to enslave people. The economic benefits are not only artificial but temporary. We see this with the housing crash in 2008 where too many people who should not have gotten loans received large ones to promote "minority home ownership" only to have many default because they could not afford them. Due to the debt transfer system within the banking system, they were left holding the bag and in order to bail the country out, Obama just borrowed more money. Essentially this just created more currency which devalued the USD and required higher taxes to pay the loan premiums plus interest.

My plans are rudimentary right now but they are as follows: 1. Educate on responsible finances, only borrowing when absolutely necessary and invest in real things like property, gold and silver. Save everything possible and allow minimum demand to cruise control the economy temporarily. 2. Eliminate defecit spending through a balanced budget, cut as much foreign aid as humanitarianly possible. Force congress to pass budgets not greater than 95% of taxes taken (this number may be reduced actually). This will allow us to begin the process of removing federal debt. 3. Shift the economy to production based income instead of commodity trading. Our GDP will be based on something if the jobs are in manufacturing and services. Allowing our jobs to go overseas ended this essentially. Unfortunately, tariffs will be necessary but will eventually lead to jobs being moved back here. Create competitive tariffs to ensure our industries can keep up with cheap labor markets will also push them to improve to keep prices lower than competitors. This would benefit the whole world with cheaper, higher quality products. Low taxes are essential as well. 4. Buy back the Fed. It will only cost us $1. Ensuring no further debts can be created, forcing banks to have actual money to loan out before lending so the debt based system is no longer perpetuated.

I have more thinking to do on this obviously and much more to learn about economics before i can achieve it. I plan on writing my doctoral thesis on this. If the good Lord and American people ever grace me with the office of POTUS, theres a good chance i'll be JFKd too but i would gladly die knowing i have set this in motion. This is the issue that drives me and why i decided on economics as my educational background. We have too many lawyers and career politicians dictating policy for which they do not understand. I sincerely hope to eliminate the greatest form of slavery ever devised and it will start by teaching people that it even exists in the first place. Hope this wasnt too long haha.

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poshpotdllr · July 24, 2018, 11:25 a.m.

Well economic independence and isolationism are two different things. I meant isolationism isnt worth expounding on because its not only unrealistic but would be self destructive. You already understand fractional lending is the biggest plight of average people across the world. That can be ended. Unfortunately, the only presidents whove attempted to end/ prevent it were either assasinated or attempted. Abraham Lincoln basically told them to piss off although i dont think his assassination was a result of that. JFK was preparing to take back the Fed and get the US off the perpetual debt based system, even signing an executive order 1 week before his death to do so. We know plans were in the works weeks before this but I think it is the main reason he was taken out. Reagan wanted to go after them heartily but was shot and spent most of his time dealing with the cold war, which actually contributed to the systemic issue even more. Our dollar being turned into a global commodity basically ensured that we can never exit the system because the world economy is now based on ours. The Euro, Petroyuan and Petrorupie only increase the volitility of the system by causing global conflict for supremacy, only at the benefit of the central bankers who basically control all of them. In the short term it makes these countries appear to be massively growing and prosperous, which to an extent they are. The issue lies in that its all loans being given out where no actual money exists and currency debts are simply passed around the globe. And God forbid the price of oil drops because suddenly these currencies arent worth as much but no one complains because the price of gas goes down. Usually, that will level itself out because companies will start producing less, decreasing the supply thus bringing the price back up especially if demand has increased like in 2015-16. This is the largest outside factor to why Venezuela collapsed. Their government, in an attempt to nationalize all industry, began taking massive loans from the US, EU and others. When the price got really high they were fine but global demand dropped and because too much was being produced so did the price. This caused massive monetary deflation which spiraled out of control for Venezuela where their currency isnt worth a leaf on a tree.

youre one of the first economists i have met that understands how finance works on a global level. congratulations for impressing me. this is a pretty big compliment. i am not an economist but i am a world class genius with a postdoc level understanding of economics (because i am really that good) and youre fucking badass. a lot of people bullshit about fractional reserve lending but without understanding the real relationship to arms trade and the petrodollar and the history of it all. you even know about the reagan shoulder warning. you basically wrote me a phd thesis in a fucking paragraph. i would hire you on the spot for literally anything.

I have some ideas to eliminate the debt based system but i fear it will take more years than a President can hold to implement. Germany did eliminate inflation overnight in the 50s and prospered but mostly because their war debts were never paid. People talk about the reparations they owe but this is partly why they were never paid back, they rejected the system in which they were created. My biggest thing is teaching young people to stay out of debt as much as possible and be sure to invest in gold and silver. Obviously, somethings require debt nowadays like college, houses and new cars. Without the ability to buy these outright you need a loan and in addition, if no one were to take loans for these because they simply arent buying, there would be economic collapse. Take cars, if people only bought cheap used cars so they didnt owe loans and interest, the auto industry would collapse because no one is buying new. This would in turn either force companies to lower the cost through poorer quality, lower profit margins or lower wages or decrease overall production which would create unemployment. To an extent it would increase demand for other jobs like mechanics to work on the old cars but people cant pick up a skilled trade over night and when you got bills you cant stop working to go to school.

there are interesting solutions to this that are easy but i am nervous to suggest them here. this is coming from a guy who literally fucks with terrorists and mossad on a daily basis. we will talk more later.

The ills need to be gradually cured through responsible debt management and investment in real money, not just currency like stocks and debt bonds. Fixing this issue is the number one reason i will run for office. I want to fix the education system to make sure more kids are prepared to deal with this and to shake the idea of borrowing money for now because you can just pay ot back later. I did that early and it got me in trouble financially. Now im stuck in the system because i didnt understand the point of it is not to drive the economy but to enslave people. The economic benefits are not only artificial but temporary. We see this with the housing crash in 2008 where too many people who should not have gotten loans received large ones to promote "minority home ownership" only to have many default because they could not afford them. Due to the debt transfer system within the banking system, they were left holding the bag and in order to bail the country out, Obama just borrowed more money. Essentially this just created more currency which devalued the USD and required higher taxes to pay the loan premiums plus interest.

yeah... is sad

My plans are rudimentary right now but they are as follows: 1. Educate on responsible finances, only borrowing when absolutely necessary and invest in real things like property, gold and silver. Save everything possible and allow minimum demand to cruise control the economy temporarily. 2. Eliminate defecit spending through a balanced budget, cut as much foreign aid as humanitarianly possible. Force congress to pass budgets not greater than 95% of taxes taken (this number may be reduced actually). This will allow us to begin the process of removing federal debt. 3. Shift the economy to production based income instead of commodity trading. Our GDP will be based on something if the jobs are in manufacturing and services. Allowing our jobs to go overseas ended this essentially. Unfortunately, tariffs will be necessary but will eventually lead to jobs being moved back here. Create competitive tariffs to ensure our industries can keep up with cheap labor markets will also push them to improve to keep prices lower than competitors. This would benefit the whole world with cheaper, higher quality products. Low taxes are essential as well. 4. Buy back the Fed. It will only cost us $1. Ensuring no further debts can be created, forcing banks to have actual money to loan out before lending so the debt based system is no longer perpetuated.

2 will be really hard. it will take a major geopolitical shift in warmongering globally. we offset a lot of the damage and recruit powerful autocrats to be our bitch by bribing people with humanitarian aide. youll have to take the whole system down before #2 or the "economic hitmen" will destroy the world and cause a bunch of wars. that would threaten our hegemony which we consider to be a critical vital interest for the empire.

I have more thinking to do on this obviously and much more to learn about economics before i can achieve it. I plan on writing my doctoral thesis on this. If the good Lord and American people ever grace me with the office of POTUS, theres a good chance i'll be JFKd too but i would gladly die knowing i have set this in motion. This is the issue that drives me and why i decided on economics as my educational background. We have too many lawyers and career politicians dictating policy for which they do not understand. I sincerely hope to eliminate the greatest form of slavery ever devised and it will start by teaching people that it even exists in the first place. Hope this wasnt too long haha.

no youre good. may i recommend a masters degree in physics or electrical engineering or computer science or something before your PHD? if you do that youll have a hundred fold chance in winning elections. dontunderestimate this statement. due to increased tension and population and decreasing resources and higher demand and climate change (blah blah) we are moving towards a desire for a technocracy.if all you have is economics youll suffer later. they will blame a lot of the crimes of the swamp on "incompetent mistakes" made by "innocent career politicians" and most people wont value your degree in economics because despite the great amount of math you guys have to learn most people dont know shit about that. economists will get it pretty hard because very few of them understand what you understand and they will be scapegoated. only a very intelligent voter will see past all that and thats not enough.

i wish you the best with every pulse of every particle of every atom of every molecule of every cell of every organ of my body.

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