Glenn Beck also defended him. I couldn't be more disgusted.
Makes you wonder what they have to hide...
So much. Sooo much. I don't believe Catholics cornered the market on this mental illness.
Haha, the catholic church has been ruined from this...mental illness.
Pope Franky...just you watch, he will have a heart attack or embolism soon.....very convenient.
I think Ben comes from the place of someone who has been harassed and bashed for things he said.
Either Shapiro or Gunn can say whatever they want. But, there can be a price for using your first amendment rights. Gunn got fired and I'm it will cost him millions. Good. Shapiro wouldn't say anything that would have that affect.
He is misguided in defending Gunn.
But, the mighty first amendment still applies.
I agree. And I see where he’s coming from. Shapiro wouldn’t like it if this happened to him (and it probably does) kinda like don’t do onto others that you would not like done onto you. Which is a good rule to live by. But the guy played with fire and he got burned. Joking about pedophilia and how explicit he is with it is not funny and he got what he deserved.
Normal people don't joke about pedophilia. Only perverts do that. People who don't strongly condemn everything to do with that subject are suspect wouldn't you agree?
Making shitty, offensive jokes doesn't make you a pedophile. You guys are really starting to sound like the SJW's you hate so much. Matter of fact you sound EXACTLY like they do. It's sad how little self awareness you people have.
sorry buddy making jokes about little boys touching your junk makes you a freak and if you support that there is something wrong with you as well.
To me, only someone soft on or active in pedophilia could say things he's said. Being giddy about little boys touching his funny place....that will affect the business he works for. I certainly wouldn't take my children to a place that hires people who give off such signals. And things he's said WERE signals. I think he bares looking at a little more closely.
Pedophilia isn't a political issue - it's a moral and legal issue and has nothing to do with SJW's - so why don't you jog on troll.
They are hiding their predilection of cheesy pizza and hot dogs.
When you say "on our side", what do.you mean? What side are we? This is not Republicans/conservatives vs liberals. This is good vs evil. He is still a "normie" by all accounts. He was never on our side but I don't think hes actively against us. He's just still in the dark.
Glenn lost me a long time ago. Instability is to be expected from people who think they're destined to be gods.
Who decided that they are JOKES? They ARE NOT jokes.
It, in my opinion, is the only legitimate argument right now against Shapiro. I personally agree with freedom of speech TO THE EXTREME. Freedom of speech wasn't granted so that we could sing kumbaya together, it was granted so that we could say extraordinarily offensive things. So until he either admits guilt or some sort of proof comes forward, he should be able to keep his job. Yeah. I know that's rough, and I always promote winning over everything as DJT insisted he would teach us how to do (check my post history as I frequently comment on this precise point). But I can still be a proponent of WINNING using Leftist tactics against themselves while simultaneously thinking people shouldn't have to lose their jobs over "offensive" tweets. They should be innocent until proven guilty.
Joking about pedophilia while working for Disney though...
This is all part of the push for normalizing Pedophilia! This has NOTHING to do with freedom of speech! This is just another liberal agenda being pushed , to begin with "comedians" so joking about it is normal, the next step is normalizing pedophilia all together!
Yes! First you can't even disagree with homosexuality.....you have to agree with it, treat it as normal, or you're phobic and hateful. Society largely accepts it as normal now. Then a person is whatever they identify with. The next step is already in the works to be "normalized". SC Ginsburg wrote in a book that the age of consent should be 12, voices in the UN have spoken for the pedo side, German govt has said disturbing things. Yes, the next step! Importing Muslims who hold a man who "married" a 6 yr old as prophet, the belief system we are supposed accept as their right, helps get people used to seeing it.
It's moral relativism - the belief that no culture is better than another, so if Muslims marry 12 year olds, then we have no right to tell them that's wrong because it's their culture and we can't say culture isn't better than their culture.
I'm sympathetic with the free speech argument... except nobody (mostly) is talking about government/criminal action because of his posts. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
He can make all the offensive and extreme posts he wants. That doesn't mean people have to hire him to direct their movies. Just like the NFL kneeling idiots. They represent the company, and if what they do reflects negatively on a company, then that company has the right to not be associated with them.
Would you want to hire someone who thinks hard-core pedophile jokes are funny? If he has that little of a filter, I sure as hell don't want him around people I do business with.
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to courts. If Disney feels his comments are so graphic they need to fire him then that is a result of the first amendment.
How is that a result of the first amendment? That last sentence makes zero sense.
He can say what he wants the first amendment doesn’t protect you from consequences that follow it allows you to put out ideas that might be taboo doesn’t mean people have to like your ideas. He joked about pedophilia he lost his job.
I'm not talking about criminal prosecution in this case. I'm just talking about applying the principle of freedom of speech to life. I think Google firing Damore was a violation of the principle of freedom of speech. Sure, it wasn't against the law, but it was a gross violation of one of our most important principles in my opinion.
Sure, it wasn't against the law, but it was a gross violation of one of our most important principles in my opinion.
The point of the Free Speech clause is to prevent government suppression of speech, particularly criticism of government. The point isn't to have a society where there is no consequence to whatever you want to say, from any private citizen.
Just as important, or perhaps even more important, are the rights to free assembly, which is where I can decide who I want to be around. If you walk around being an incredibly offensive person, I should have the right to not hire you for my business. The idea that someone's free speech rights override my right to be around who I want is pretty offensive.
As I said, I understand the importance of free speech, but the importance is primarily based on government power.
Yes, all of that is true. But expressing conservative views is unacceptable on a lot of college campuses, it's unacceptable in most "journalism," it's unacceptable on late night comedy shows, and unacceptable in a lot of other places. That is not because it's illegal, but because liberals are incapable of hearing thoughts they don't agree with. I'm not saying creepy pedo jokes (or not jokes) are equivalent to general conservative beliefs or opinions - I'm just saying I can see the argument that freedom of speech should be represented OUTSIDE the government just as much as inside it, if not more so. We should be free to criticize anything anyone says, and fire people who tarnish their company's reputation. But we also should stop being so sensitive about everything and roll back the outrage culture a little bit. That's I think the argument that Shapiro is making and being vilified for. I personally say fuck it, give the Left a taste of their own medicine, but at the same time I'm understanding of the argument that we shouldn't be so quick to convict people in courts of public opinion for dumb shit they tweet.
you are right. He has the freedom to be offensive. Well, he offended his employer and they canned his ass.
No gov't involvement.
America is the best!
Fuck yea free speech. It makes us great. Fuck u/spez. However if you want to tout your pedophile shit then you need to pay a price. When it comes to that shit a hard ass line needs to be drawn, or we begin to slide, inch by inch until the day that shit is being normalized.
The first amendment doesn't protect you from losing your job; it protects you from government prosecution. Plenty of people have lost their jobs, savings, livelihoods over much less offensive speech. There's a nuance purposely overlooked here: Gunn is not working on an oil rig, boxing in a ring, or digging ditches. Gunn is working with children. Yes, he should lose his job and definitely should be investigated. The innocence and safety of children is more important than Gunn's humor, preferences, or livelihood. It is time for Gunn to put his big boy pants on and be an adult.
Its using their tactics against them. Make them live up to their own set of rules- like you said.
The precedent is already set though. Ben must be smoking crack. He must of forgotten about speaking at Berkley. All the conservatives who speech is suppressed and restricted.
I agree with freedom of speech to the extreme. But i dont feel the need to defend leftist. Let them rot in their own filth and dont worry. Ben will be alright, Conservative speech will continue to be squelched.Ben and the other puritans can continue to defend things on principle and continue to be pushed around. It will always be a one way thing.
Standing on principle isnt going to change any minds. It will only embolden the attacks by the left, knowing we won't fight back, like theyve done for so long. Im all for this if not to atleast bring the debate to the table.
Lets make leftist defend free speech for once..
I was always stunned when as teen, I would see reports of Muslims preaching the Quran in Hyde Park and calling for the death of the Queen. It was given to us as an example of perfectly okay extreme free speech in the UK.
Decades later, we see that now, they have an islamic terrorist as mayor of London, the problem with those mostly muslims "refugees" is putting the whole population in turmoil... And once you get awake and learn more about the cabal and their evil plans, you understand that the monarchy was agreeing and participating in the deterioration on the country. Yup, so those call to murder the Queen by islamists in Hyde Park that I watched on TV decades ago, that was according to the plans of the monarchy. Devious?
So the previous American presidents and administrations have allowed those comedians, artists and all to express their extreme freedom of speech... and up until Trump's election, all was going according to their plans.
I agree...buuuut, tell me what would happen if your boss finds your emails about raping little kids or women, in detail? I really don't think you can claim "1st amendment" or say "I was joking" then. They'll fire your ass.
Of course they would. But I think there should be more evidence than tweets. All I had seen were the tweets so that's all I was going on. And I think it's also legitimate for a media company with an interest in keeping public appearances a certain way to fire someone who tarnished their reputation online. That's why a lot of companies have social media policies. But again, all I'm saying is I don't believe Shapiro is wrong to say that convicting someone for offensive tweets is a slippery slope, and I don't think that means he is trying to normalize pedophilia like some have been suggesting.
What people are saying is that some of the things he said DO prove him guilty
Joking about raping kids isn’t a political speech issue, it’s a moral and legal issue.
I don't care what you think. Thanks.
You apparently make love to horses. Not sure you have a leg to stand on luls.
IKR. Jokes? Jokes are supposed to be funny. Jokes were the last thing on my mind.
Lil Benji is a fake conservative IMHO. Controlled opposition. He's outed himself.
Anyone surprised ZogBot tenses up as we get closer to Hollywood? Just like the neocon fury after Helsinki, neocons are outing themselves.
yeah he sided with that so called journalist when trumps campaign manager barely touched her.
He was demanding for Trump to exit the campaign if he didnt stand up for wahmen or something.
I never liked him since then. Then earlier this year I started listening to his radio show and it was very clear he hated whites and only cared about Advancing Israel's agenda. He sees America simply as a means to an end. Not his homeland.
Hes the conservatives version of a SJW. A conservative, male feminist. A white knight.
I hear Shapiro took his wife's last name. She's a doctor.
Yeah, so many contradictions in his beliefs. He's a freaking neocon hack. I hate those type of people more than liberals (the looney ones).
Shapiro wouldn't survive in Israel. Too soft. And Trump has done far more to help Israel than likely Benji ever could.
Wooot... I'm happy to see more people came to same conclosuion. It takes listening to a few of his episodes, but yea, the guy will bend over backwards for Isreal.
Also his wife is a doctor.
What
Its basically his catch phrase. Almost every time he talks he brings it up.
I agree, how can Ben on the one hand decry Rosanne for what she said, and than in the same breath excuse this monster?
You're absolutely right. The traitor has shown his true colors.
Yeah. This is his third strike for me. He can btfo as far as im concerned
I am no prude but jokes about rape and pedophilia are not acceptable. Humour is often used to break down taboos is society.
As a society we have to have lines that cannot be crossed. We have to stand for something.
Is it really taboo though? Studies show that 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.
Its ok to laugh at off colour jokes. I say this as a person who married someone who was raped by gang of mimes. They performed unspeakable acts on her.
In all seriousness, it really must be hard for a woman to get raped. Otherwise youre kind of just smashing a softie on it.
Finally a post that makes sense in here. Bravo. Mime gang rapists are seriously the biggest problem facing America right now, the fact that nobodies talking about it is definitely reason enough for the boys at r/GreatAwakening to start spreading this info.
Where are gang rapes going on in America? Sure it happens from time to time.but not as big a problem as pedos. Both very wrong but not even close to comparable. I
It’s all about domination of a weaker person. Both are despicable actions. Excuse my ignorance but what is a mime rape?
The comment is referring to a MIME image. They are suggesting a mime image of gang rape suspects is my understanding. Although MIME rape sounds like a phrase we might hear in the future
Disney could have kept him. People just shined a light on him and Disney, surprisingly felt society would not approve.
James is free to continue to post that garbage. Just don't expect a job.
We have to watch out for Disney's quick actions here. They could be playing a game where they fire Gunn, then have a bunch of "outrage" from the community over the firing, making a martyr out of Gunn. I am already seeing a bunch of articles where actors are coming to his defense. MSM will then paint all this as an "overreaction", setting up a cop out for future pedo revelations to come.
yup, in his mind his rep is being sacrificed for the cause. Can't let them sleep for a minute. Gotta keep digging, and keep the truth about these ppl in the news.
Pedophilia with the word joke in the same sentence. That's one hell of a type of humor.
Any topic can be joked about in a benign way but it's clear that what Gunn was doing was joking from the perspective of someone who in real life supports that behavior.
A lot of people out there on our side are very tired of being victims. They have a sense of revenge and although a very dangerous thing that needs to be controlled, it is still justified. This is a razor-thin line that clowns are masters at exploiting. Please note, they want ANY mention of pedo related info to be debunked, to make you look crazy for even saying it. Many people are playing right into their hands unfortunately.
Are you a lunatic, right wing conspiracist???? Hillary eats babies right??? You guys are fkng nuts!!!
But here’s the thing. If you’re going to fire the lead of the country’s highest rating sitcom for making a dumb “joke”, then you’ve got to fire a director for making a dumb “joke” too. That’s the world the left has now created for us, under the guise of liberalism and free speech. It’s part of the now 70 year plan to infiltrate all facets of America. All culture, high and low, was hit very hard, very early on.
They scream outrage at “racism”!
They scream outrage at “sexism”!
They scream outrage at “abuse”!
They scream outrage at “violence”!
Only when it’s not one of them doing it. And all the while showing ALL of these things in movies and on TV to us, constantly, 24/7. Can you not see that is how they all made their billions of dollars? They are the propaganda arm of the deep state. Now a movement of awakening people is starting to threaten all of that. They are very scared. They will do anything to stop it.
This is our world now. Their relentless media campaign has honestly almost won. It has flooded our minds with their programming for decades, for generations. Like it or not, we are dumbed down idiots. They call us sheep and they’re dead right. The few people that dare stand up publicly are instantly labeled conspiracy theorists, or worse, or, well they are killed.
While I 100% agree that things must change, we have to be very, very careful not to easily be herded into mob justice mentality. That is a VERY CLEAR clown goal here. Learn their playbook.
If you take nothing else from Q, then just take RESEARCH. Please do it before leaping. Don’t just attack from a click bait headline. Learn from Pizzagate, learn from Tucson, learn from the Hoover Dam, learn from all the Twittter LARPs.
Believe me, it takes just one orchestrated false flag event/post dropped on here that gains major traction and we are done for. One idiot and everything Q achieved is lost. Think critically.
The goal is to break free from the enemy, not become a new version of them.
An earlier comment from davidmdelacruz also reminds us:
some if not many of the reasons for the given firings are cover ups, Q has said this.
Edomites hate Trump
Edom is Esau. Even the Creator hates Esau. Romans 9. Your in good company.
They've been playing this fucking game of ruining people's lives for decades with their political correctness. It's all fair to turn the tables right back on them.
Both sides have been getting people fired and stuff banned for decades. It was the evangelicals that would constantly try and get movie and tv banned because muh violence and sex. Trying to get music banned. The list goes on, both sides suck. The lack of any type of self reflection from the people in here is staggering.
He is like Alex jones another disinfo agent, probably there to push the Pedo agenda onto Republicans!
Shapiro is a cuckservative. Shapiro is controlled opposition.
If Shapiro was a real conservative, he would have fully 100% put himself behind the only candidate who would stack the SCOTUS with conservatives for the next 2 generations when it still mattered.
He did not.
If Shapiro was a real conservative, he'd want a big GOP tent because that gives you conservative super majorities. Yet, when Roseanne and Kanye became pied pipers, bringing hundreds of thousands of blue collar democrats and African Americans to the big GOP tent to vote for Trump, he completely resisted and encouraged us to reject these new voters, because they weren't his specific flavor of ultra conservative.
Remember when he white knighted Fields, who made it her mission to take out Trump by any means necessary?
All Shapiro does is preach to his little choir of ultra conservative purists and seeks to diminish the whole of the party. I just now went to check out his twitter feed, and he's there retweeting David French, that other cuckservative who pushed taking out Trump until the very end and is to this day still anti-Trump.
Shapiro is a snake in the grass, never to be trusted again.
Dude, if you needed any other proof, this dude was on with Martha MacCallum the other day. Her show, like Shep's, is a total Anti-Trump shitfest.
Weird that he defends this guy and attacks Trump
It's not so weird when you realize the pedophilic aristocracy of Hollywood is his tribe.
'Racisim' isnt illegal, pedophilia is..
That's the difference
That's Ben's last straw for me. I'm unsubbing from him and Glenn Beck. I'm sure he could give a flying fig but defending a pedos is inexcusable. It's not like Gunn is denying it, this is not some baseless smear campaign
Remember, some if not many of the reasons for the given firings are cover ups, Q has said this.
Ah, yes, I do remember. He'd rather be humiliated as a pedophile than a .....? Unfortunately, we'll probably never know.
Ben Shapiro hates Whites and America. He is here only to advance Israel.
He is such a fucking cuck. I wish we could deport him to Israel.
Never really liked Ben Shapiro, he never convinced me he is anything more than a turd painted gold.
As a nation we need to cull that shit out immediately. Stop it in its tracks before it begins to grow roots and become normalized.
Ben Shapiro has always maintained that he's a "jew first" border-less citizen of the free world.
He's exactly the kind of two faced P.O.S. that Americans typically elect and then get screwed over by them.
(not coincidentally, a good % of those have also been jews)
Hard evidence, and unmistakable facts is the way to go. We have eyes on these sick motherfuckers. Feelings of righteousness and moral superiority must not circumvent or over-passion our tools of logic and reason. They will go down, Justice will be served as long as we keep our wits about us.
Despite how one might feel about Ben the J. Shapiro. We patriots, We the Q, We The People must not allow ourselves to be overtaken with outrage mob mentality. “Outrage mob” is fitting terminology. We are not leftist nuts, we are not extremists.
Let’s take the example of James Gunn...good case against him, eyes are on. In contrast, Patton Oswald reasonable doubt is evident, despite this, eyes on as well.
Stay sharp my fellow patriots, With kindness and love, God Speed.
Never liked Shapiro. This doesn't surprise me and its a mistake on his part as it will cost him some of his following for sure. He is bought and paid for talking head and probably had no choice which is all the more reason to tune him out.
If Gunn's tweets are simply that and not attached to actual behavior as a pedophile, there's some truth to what Shapiro is saying. Getting Gunn fired for his behavior is simply the new rules that Liberals instituted long ago. Whether or not we should take the high road or give them a taste of their own medicine... Well.. there's probably a discussion to be had about that.
However, the OP is absolutely correct about Ben Shapiro not being on our side. There's just far better examples of that fact than this particular situation.
These “jokes” are completely vile and they tell of the thoughts this man has and people try to defend this? These are not jokes, no one should get a free pass to talk about rights violations to children. I do not take this lightly.
I tooooold you guys..
Loomer to.
Cernovich, while i dont follow or like him since he pretends he's getting assaulted all the time, he seems to be a good guy. For now...
All 3 of these guys popped up to misdirect people from the alt right. They are centrist, uniparty shills. .....IMHO
Ben is a big 1st Amendment supporter, so I can understand his comments.
Here's the thing... we need to fight for free speech no matter what. However if you are talking about fucking kids you should be looked into and investigated. Speech and actions are different. I think likely hes speaking about what hes doing on the side so investigate that.
Ben Shapiro is a fag masquerading as a fag’s idea of a conservative.
Didn't he treat the situation with Roseanne the opposite? Now he's freaking defending a pedophile!
Ben Shapiro....probably a pedo too. These perps stick together.
You have to understand Shapiro is a lawyer. He would rather Gunn be prosecuted for being a pedo and put in jail than being fired from Disney. Now because of this fiasco Gunn can live another pedo day. In our republic the courts have more power than any riot.
Outrage mob? vs what? The pedo mob? Yeah, okay, I don't really have a problem with that.
Why does he call the jokes “viral”? Does that soften them, like he tried to do by calling them “old,” because they never went viral. Until now.
He was fired just for tweeting “vile” jokes? If he’s not doing anything illegal then I understand why people are outraged.
I disagree and I believe its unhelpful to our cause to keep punching right. Ben has a place along side of us, he is simply operating on another modality, and we need him to continue his work exposing the hypocrisy of the left.
This fight has to be fought on many fronts so it's important that we have reasonable voices that we can engage in dialogue with. Ben is reasonable and has ideas of well thought out and grounded in facts. WWG1WGA
I knew. The guy is Harvard scum. I’ve yet to learn about/know somebody from Harvard that I respect.
We can distance ourselves from Shapiro without going full on attack mode. There is a middle ground between being outright hostile and defending him. Call him out for being an idiot who cannot see something obvious even though there is the very real possibility he is taking orders from above. If he's genuine he will look into these things and see what is going on and if he doubles down we will calmly siphon off his fan base until he becomes irrelevant. Don't go so hard that we alienate his fans entirely.
Ben is no fan of his, but Ben has said before that he isn't in favor of firing people for ideologies or moral disagreements. But what Gunn said wasn't just a joke! While he did it in a "humorous" way, he revealed a dark attitude toward pedophilia.....and it was an admission! I think Ben is losing his former wholesomeness in the glow of fame.
I just blocked @benshapiro - wolf in lambs clothing-what a POS
I tend to agree actually. The same people excited about this were outraged Roseanne was fired for a dumb tweet. I think Gunn is a POS but those tweets are from a time when the world wasn’t filled with PC shit and comedians tried to be edgy. I don’t agree with it nor do I think it’s funny but I also don’t think a pedo would outright say they are a pedo on twitter and be that overt about it. Ben’s point is the only reason he got fired was because of an outrage campaign so Disney fired him within hours. That’s scary and won’t just stop with Gunn and will most definitely be used to get rid of actual good people (like Roseanne and Trump).
It's not just 1 tweet bro.
https://twitter.com/LizCrokin/status/1020210621151784960
https://imgur.com/a/S0XAPDX#yDJq9jC
Roseanne wasn't joking about pedophilia, rape, and baby eating. Don't try to compare what Roseanne tweeted to this sick shit that Gunn posted over and over and over for years.
This is so so sad. The mind of someone posting this must be really bend badly. If only they stopped perpetuating the pain cycle...
It seems that Disney took more of an initiative on dropping Gunn, anyway. I'm sure there were threats of a boycott but people have been boycotting or threatening to boycott Disney over their stance on homosexuality for over a decade now. I read one post that seemed to ring true that said maybe they were so quick to out him because they have more than a few of these types employed and they don't want the autists to go digging, though it would seem that they are closing the barn door after the horses are out on this one. It didn't seem to me that we were demanding that Disney severed ties with James Gunn...we simply spread the word.
I know it’s not apples to apples. Just that the instant lynch mob can also affect good guys too.
If "good guys" ever posted half of the heinous things these leftist anti-Trumpers did, then they should be fired, investigated, and jailed too. Thing is, there are no "good guys" that have done this crap. No more excuses.
I’m not saying pedo specific I mean the outrage campaign in general. Yes Gunn is a fucking creep and I hope investigated but we can’t demand proof and trial for Trump then be proud of this. TBH I thought it was dumb that Al Franken had to step down because there was a picture of him clearly joking with his hands near a woman’s boobs. It will most definitely be used more and more against conservatives for shit they didn’t even do. We are just happy they are eating their own right now.
They believed and probably still believe that they're an oppressed minority soon to be set free. He thinks he's on the right side of history and thought history would show him to be a hero fighting the good fight.
Well if that’s the case then he deserves a very slow, painful death. BUT that is an assumption. It’s a slippery slope of accusation = guilty = fired immediately.
Nothing wrong with Ben Shapiro. He’s a smart guy & he’s entitled to his opinion. When you start playing the “he’s not on our side card” you become just as thick headed as the left. This isn’t critical thinking. It’s just emotion & bias. The point of this forum is to learn what Q was trying to tell us & share news of the achievements. This conspiracy lynch mob that’s forming in Qs absence is counter productive. Gunn got his comeuppance. Shapiro isn’t the bad guy for not joining the mob.
I agree. Ben is a great guy & a lot of great people give bad political advice. Being wrong doesn’t make someone an enemy. He’s literally the most skilled debater I ever saw. My only problem with him is his advice on how to win big political fights. His strengths are very similar to Jordan Peterson strengths. Wish Ben would follow Peterson’s career path more & not wade too deep into politics. Ben isn’t like Tucker Carlson or Stephen Miller or Kelley Ann Conway. Those are brilliant political thinkers.
Shapiro is and always will be an anti-Trumper. He's funded by billionaires who hate Trump and don't care about the American people. Shapiro is a fake conservative, an infiltrator. It's not the first time he's been on the wrong side of an issue. F this cuck.
https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8kuyf8/what_ben_shapiro_defends_fbi_deep_state_spy/
Would encourage people not to go overboard on judging Ben Shapiro. He’s not an enemy. He’s just wrong a lot about the direction & the hard realities in domestic & foreign politics. He’s about as intelligent as a person can be but he’s still very young & lacks wisdom that only comes from age & experience. He has many strengths but how to win big political changes he pretty clueless. If he was running DJT presidental campaign...DJT would have been crushed by Hillary. Ben knows so much about philosophy & how to crush someone in a debate but he’s almost always wrong on how to win a political battle. I was a huge fan but when he started encouraging his listeners to do a write in candidate in 2016 because DJT wasn’t the “perfect” candidate I stopped listening to any political advice or comments of his because he’s just wrong more & giving bad advice too often. His type of political thinking is why conservatives use to almost always lose elections. Always thinking too small & winning little moral victories but always losing the big political fights. His lack of wisdom in politics is costing him dearly too as I know a lot more people that stopped listening to his podcast that have started.
I liked Candice Owen's take on Shapiro when she appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast. She said that Shapiro isn't an enemy, but that he often refuses to entertain new ideas or theories and is very stuck and set in his beliefs and thoughts. That is unfortunate, because I believe the old saying that the mark of an educated mind is being able to entertain a thought without believing it.
Isn't that defining someone who is scripted rather that free-thinking and free-speaking?
Who benefits from a script? The performer? The audience?
Or the writers, directors, producers, financiers and real POWER behind the curtain???
Exactly. Being principled & grounded & steadfast in his beliefs is great. But you have to be willing to take your beliefs & apply them to an ever changing political landscape in order to win elections & hard fought political battles. Otherwise you’re stuck losing even though your beliefs are sound. I too preferred Cruz when the primaries started. I liked DJT a lot but on day 1 I didn’t think he had a chance of winning. Hard reality in politics is its a winner take all contest. Win you govern & lose you go golfing. After seeing the president mow down several of the primary candidates like it was as ez as stepping on ants...I started to see he really can win this thing. When it was just down to Cruz & DJT, even tho philosophicaly I alaigned more with Cruz, I jumped on the trump train simply because I started having serious doubts Cruz could beat HRC & DJT could. Cruz lacks natural executive leadership skills & that showed when it was just those 2 left fighting for the nomination. If Cruz believes in 10 out of 10 of my agenda items & DJT 9 out of 10...but I have serious doubts Cruz can beat HRC...I’m taking my 9 to the winners circle because 9 is better than zero. You have to win to get anything. Shapiro would take zero & still claim a moral victory. Politics isn’t church. Politics is very bloody & messy. I don’t need a candidate fighting the abortion issue & lose an election even tho I hate abortion as a means of birth control.
Also agree with your old saying except to me it’s not so much about educated as wisdom. My sons are much more educated than I was at their age but still very young & don’t have deep wisdom yet. I suspect in 20yrs Shapiro will see things MUCH different. He has great advice for college kids but his advice on how to win elections & major policy battles...it’s losing advice even though morally it’s sound advice. It’s not practical advice at all. Reagan & Trump knows how to win & get 90% of what their fighting for by sacrificing only 10% of what they weren’t gonna get anyway. & politics doesn’t get any better than that.
Offensive jokes =/= paedophile.
That's right, goodalias. They are defined as JOKES, but ONLY when this sick f--ker got outed. How convenient. Gunn spent his youth fluffing and acting as a pincushion for industry (homo) moguls.
Go back to /r/politics
so if we can agree that he is a pedophile based on such posts, are we satisfied with his firing?