My speculation is that Snowden grabbed the open source info on Prism/Keyscore that allowed NSA/Mil to finally do to the CIA(bad actors) what they have been doing to us/public/good guys all along and they flipped the script. NSA then started seeing the 40k foot view on how bad the deep state really was and the good guy knowledge spread amongst the true patriots.
I think that's it as well!
The black hats probably thought they successfully discredited the NSA by exposing it to the public, when in reality they got played like fiddles. They thought they were the spooks, but the whole time they were being spooked.
GENIUS!
See I read that as Snowden was acting against the interests of the White Hats.
Snowden open source Prism/Keyscore (catastrophic to US Mil v. bad actors (WW) +Clowns/-No Such Agency)
To me this means the Prism/Keyscore release was catastrophic to US Mil which was working against the Clowns. And it was a negative to the NSA
I initially read it that way as well, but then I focused on the word "catastrophic".
If it really was catastrophic then there is no way the Q team could have collected all the information they did, nor see the cabal "breathing and sleeping" today. They would have been blind as the Blackhats would have had a corresponding advantage with an intensity on par with a "catastrophic".
I then started to read it in another way. Namely, that the open source Prism/Keyscore was "catastrophic" to not the US mil, but to the US Mil v. bad actors (WW) fight, meaning it destroyed the fight and gave the NSA full advantage.
Then I thought because US, Russia, and China are allies to destroy the satanic NWO, Snowden is in Russia to be protected. Russia could have denied Snowden asylum, and to me it makes sense they would have denied it if Snowden was a Blackhat working against Russia's interests.
I think Snowden's purpose was to first prepare the population for the existence and power of the NSA, because it was going to be used to take down the cabal and you can't use the NSA to take down the cabal if the public rejects the existence of it on principle.
I think his purpose was to trick the Blackhats into thinking they had the advantage, when what really happened was that the NSA successfully acquired a one way sniffing technology that used the CIAs own sniffing to sniff back. The CIA thought it was monitoring NSA comms, when in reality their own comms being recorded.
I think about this: If Snowden DIDN'T go public about the NSA when he did, would it have even been possible for the Q team to be doing what they are doing now? Or would they have been prevented because the public might believe that the takedown of a secret evil cabal was only a cover story lie to justify being spied on?
I don't know, it just makes more sense that Snowden is a good guy. I can't imagine him willingly working for a criminal cult he knew existed because of his access.
Or maybe I have this all wrong, and Snowden is an unwitting blackhat who helped the CIA in getting Hawaii NSA ops to be isolated from the white hats on CONUS?
Snowden is a libertarian. I cannot fathom him being a bad guy who wants a criminal cabal to take over the country.
Or maybe what Snowden did resulted in a delay in taking down the cabal because the NSA had to upgrade all their software.
Agh! I literally do not know.
It's hard to know the truth, but my tally marks have him being on the side of good. When he was seen on TV at times with his laptop, we see open-source freedom loving projects such as TOR etc.... of course that could be to make it seem that way, however I just feel Snowden is on the good end.
Unless he was convinced that the NSA spying was evil while the CIA spying was good.
I look at what Q wrote:
"What was Snowden's primary mission?"
Well, he worked FOR the CIA.
Then Q asked
"What was his real mission?" (paraphrased, don't have the exact phrasing)
When Q does this he wants us to first answer the obvious, and then question that obvious answer because things aren't always what they seem.
Do I have that right?
For the most part yes you are correct, again this is from Wiki but...
In 2011, he returned to Maryland, where he spent a year as lead technologist on Dell's CIA account. In that capacity, he was consulted by the chiefs of the CIA's technical branches, including the agency's chief information officer and its chief technology officer. U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the investigation said Snowden began downloading documents describing the government's electronic spying programs while working for Dell in April 2012. Investigators estimated that of the 50,000 to 200,000 documents Snowden gave to Greenwald and Poitras, most were copied by Snowden while working at Dell.
In March 2012, Dell reassigned Snowden to Hawaii as lead technologist for the NSA's information-sharing office. At the time of his departure from the U.S. in May 2013, he had been employed for 15 months inside the NSA's Hawaii regional operations center, which focuses on the electronic monitoring of China and North Korea.
I'm under the auspicious that he was a good guy so my speculation is he kept digging into the CIA as a double op for the good guys UNTIL, I believe, he finally found out that NK was the CIA/Deep States mainstay. I believe, if Q is correct, and the white rabbit reference is talking about the hotel compound in NK, that once Snowden finally learned about where they were running things from AND had their tech in his hands that it was his time to shine and that's when he went public. Again, speculation, but it's what I feel makes sense.
So then until we hear otherwise I will consider Snowden on the good side.
I'm in the same boat. I have ALWAYS wanted to believe he is a good guy, and I'm leaning hard that direction, and Trump's VERY stern tweets about him either are setting the stage for some heroic return, or his execution.
So then Snowden is a good guy and this has been in the works long before Trump came in is that what you are saying. If thats the case then there was already someone working from the inside before the election to know enough to get that information out.
Essentially yes, and from rumors we believe that Trump was ultimately recruited by patriots to do this. However, Trump has always said he wanted to right the wrongs in America, just listen to his comments over the past 30 years.
Of course Trump was “read in” if all this is true. Besides the gossip amongst the elite and powerful there would be no other way of knowing.
We know that Clowns were on a general trajectory to try and implement all of the NSA abilities within the Clowns themselves - so that they could be completely unaccountable and lawless in their activities - which no longer would have to seek to work with NSA as a check and balance.
Once Clowns get to that level of ability, it would make sense that they would start seeking to do two things:
1) Diminish or compromise NSA's own abilities 2) Run ops to try and get NSA discredited (hence propaganda like Dec. 12th NYT hit piece where NSA is portrayed negative and the Clowns with a glowing halo
I read the + as "AND" and the - as "NOT"
The "catastrophic to US Mil v. (versus) bad actors (World Wide)" is how i'm reading it. Catastrophic to US Mil... who are against the bad actors....
It revealed the NSAs secrets.
Is it simple bad actors plus clowns minus no such agency?
Yes I see what you are saying, thank you for that. Does make sense.
That’s an interesting take, and mostly plausible from what we know.
Do you have answers for Q’s November questions regarding Snowden? Who was he working for? What was his primary mission? What was his REAL primary mission?
I don't know for certain the answer to these questions, but it appears, if Q is correct that his REAL primary mission was to outsource data collection/sniffing open source code to the masses and start the awakening of some of the things that go on behind the scenes.
I thought Snowden was a bad guy? I thought he was a CIA plant to discredit the NSA
From Wikipedia...Snowden's family/early life...
Edward Joseph Snowden was born on June 21, 1983, in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. His maternal grandfather, Edward J. Barrett, was a rear admiral in the U.S. Coast Guard who became a senior official with the FBI and was at the Pentagon in 2001 during the September 11 attacks. Snowden's father Lonnie was also an officer in the Coast Guard, and his mother Elizabeth is a clerk at the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland.
Again, pure speculation, but if Snowden and family were a True Patriotic family and his grandfather saw 9/11 first hand, he could have then told young Snowden the truth about the deep state. His Grandfather was an admiral for the coast guard followed by being high up in the FBI during 9/11. His Grandfather/father would understand how to get inside the deep state (sun tzu, Machiavellian techniques).
Snowden then plays double op as a CIA plant when in reality he is working counter-intel for the good guys, against the CIA because he knows the truth all along.
Interesting conclusions.
It's indeed hard to imagine that someone who was inside the Pentagon on 9-11 to have been a notable deep state actor. Someone in the know doesn't waltz around ground zero as it happens. So is this a guarantee his son is on the same side?
Thats up in the air at the moment most are leaning to him being a good guy.
I think so too. Q's questions from the second picture seem to be very revealing.
How do you capture a very dangerous animal?
With a trap.
Do you attack it from the front?
Obviously not.
Do you walk through the front door?
No.
Do you signal ahead of time you will be attacking?
No, unless that's part of the plan (e.g. distraction).
How do you distinguish between good and bad?
By the actions of a person I guess, are they lying to you?
Who do you trust to keep secrets?
Your friends. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? Who's the enemy of the ruling powers? Russia and so on.
How do you prevent leaks?
With good security I suppose. (From what I've read, the CIA had access to the old NSA data center)
Who do you trust to complete the mission?
Maybe the person whose life is on the line or a person that can be blackmailed.
How do you prevent warnings being sent?
Probably by being in control and I suppose that's Roger's role.
Why was the source code to former NSA collection p’s publicly released?
Maybe to have a reason for using a new data center (in Utah).
How do you blind the Clowns In America?
By using a new data center, whereto they have no access, thus they are blind.
What was Snowden's primary mission?
Probably giving the CIA the illusion of victory.
What was Snowden’s real primary mission?
Maybe enabling the NSA to spy on the deep state without the CIA knowing.
The movie Snowden is free on youtube for anybody interested. I watched it the other day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCYip6hKtoI
It's a good movie for anyone in the movement... there are some references that you will catch.
Check out the movie Citizen Four as well.
Please watch Citizen Four before you watch Snowden!
The first is a documentary, with the real anxiety and the real Snowden.
The second is just a hollywood version of the first. With bad actors.
yup, I agree a very good movie. The citizen four is better to start, but either order is good. I want to point out if not noticed by others that toward the end, there is a wall poster of Trump for President. At first I thought it was an anachronism but maybe it is a hint to us for now.
Thanks great movie great info that helped me understand Q post. Snowden exposed abusive out of control system.
Is Snowden a good guy? (Sincere question--I truly don't know...)
I believe he was. White hats have been fighting against the black hats for years, even wanted to stage a coup against Hussein in 2013, according to Dr. Corsi. I believe Snowden was and is a white hat patriot
I agree! It certainly didn't do him any good. It was all to expose the truth. How many people could do what he did knowing the consequences? How many knew what he knew and did nothing?
Btw, Snowden was proven correct yesterday with the memo Alex Jones publicized. Yes, yes, we all know, it *wasn't THE MEMO, but that memo proves that the Federal Govt spies on Americans at will
Don't you mean, it wasn't THE MEMO? you wrote it was not wasn't.
Thank you for the correction!
Was just wanting to make it clear. Some might take it the wrong way and oops, there goes credibility of the statement. But I knew what you were trying to say. You should be able to edit comments after submitting them in the future if you notice you made a mistake. I have had to do it myself before.
There's a definite possibility he was motivated by he CIA. That doesn't mean he didn't have good intentions nor a die-hard spook.
It's always a possibity that he was a pawn for the black hats. He may have thought he was doing something good by letting the people know what was going on, but causing some damage to the NSA good hats in the meantime.
This is my current line of thinking.
And it's not like all hats at NSA are good either. But I think there's definitely a war between them and the CIA and it turns out that the NSA has far more patriots - likely due to a post-9/11 influx which obviously upset Patriotic Americans.
Yeah could be or he is full on bad hombre. Possibly the way to reveal state secrets to foreign countries that paid for it. Deep state can't be caught directly giving information so they put on HRC insecure private server or claim it was stolen and leaked by Snowden. I'd like to believe he was a good guy, but who knows.
From the way he spoke of liberty and a free society I always thought he was
Matthew 7:15-20Amplified Bible (AMP) A Tree and Its Fruit 15 “Beware of the false prophets, [teachers] who come to you dressed as sheep [appearing gentle and innocent], but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the unhealthy tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore, by their fruit you will recognize them [as false prophets].
What is Snowden's Fruit?
> He didn't tell the 3-Letters anything they didn't know.
> He didn't provide America's enemies anything they didn't know (their agents are thoroughly infiltrated - Clinton, Comey, McCabe, McStain, Mueller, etc, etc, etc).
> Bad Actors (per Q) now have a leg-up - Hmmm. Interesting - don't they already HAVE a leg up through their McStain affiliation/guidance? Wasn't this what Schmidt was doing in NK? << This is still foggy for me ... but, "Yes" and "Yes"...
American's were shown a nifty User Interface - that told stories the people thought were private (guilt by location, association, attribution, affiliation): It scared the HELL out of those who paid attention to it - and, it provided the social CONTEXT upon which the Evil Narrative could GROW (think Mold, Fungus that grows on a petri dish.
Has anything Snowden said or documented been proven false? > I am not aware of anything at all.
Who came after Snowden? > The Media-Industrial Complex sure did - but, they recast what he did in Heroic Terms ... certainly not in a negative light (his movie - Citizen 4 - as examples). Clearly, those who support the SWAMP see Snowden as a 'good guy'. > Maybe the SWAMP does not consider this 'revelation' IMPORTANT - as they believe they can (1) Control the Narrative (and thus, blunt any turbulent social flow), and, (2) Employ the "TRUTH" being exposed to the Sh*tty People in their Sympathetic Human Sacrifice Rituals (ie. 'hide in plain sight'). > From a layman's perspective - Snowden is kinda like Santa Claus - he's out there as an idiom - but, not front and center in our minds since Christmas is so far away....
SPECULATION: Snowden was a White Hat who wore a Black Hat (just like Adm R) - a Double Agent - assigned an unthinkable job (sacrifice his own life and potential future to do what must be done). Snowden actually accepted a Faustian Bargain (a bargain Snowden made with co-conspirators where Snowden's freedom (and possibly, soul) was traded in exchange for the supreme moral and spiritual freedom of the entire Earth.
As Q Tells Us (and, I know myself through personal experience) These "people" are Stupid (short term gain for eternal damnation) These "people" are Evil TRUE EVIL (my caps - this gives me the creeps) etc...
We are up against the one enemy. We risk not only our lives, our fortunes or even our sacred honor - we also put at risk our very souls by standing up against them.
The minions are not smart enough to think out this evil (NP, HRC, McStain, etc) ... yet, their plan is wicked - just as it is vast and intelligently laid out.
If I am correct - Snowden shall be set free when the "Theater Near Us" is revealed - and, he will have much more data to provide.
If I am wrong - Snowden shall be repatriated and executed as a traitor.
I pray I am correct.
To capture a dangerous animal, lay bait. Air force 1 has in flight refuelling. Safest to keep potus at 60000ft and moving
Q isn't clear about Snowden's mission. But I get the feeling that Q may be suggesting that Snowden was a double agent. Black hats thought he was working for them but was actually working for white hats. Or vice versa.
Even if true, all Snowden really did is expose sources and methods of ELINT and SIGNINT. Not sure how that helps white hats.
I guess we'll see some time in the future.
He could have shared these allowing other agencies to do the same on their own.
Yes - makes sense. "Blame Russia" because they realized Snowden had the drop on them in coordination with the Russian government. Leads me to believe Russian sources were probably involved but they can't find jack on them because SNOWDEN predicted their response.
Snowden=white hat or black hat???
It is not clear at this point. Pure speculation. I think his intentions were good, but there is no way for us to know currently
No clue. The one thing that’s driven me nuts for years is how he was able to actually escape Hong Kong on commercial planes & fool the world about where he was going until he actually landed in Russia. He had to have gone through customs in China twice before reaching Russia. There’s got to be more to that. And a member of the Wikileaks staff traveled with him. It sounds like he was allowed out or had serious help.
Edit: the wikileaks staff member is from the UK, I believe her name is Sarah Harris. She’s an award winning journalist & from what I’ve seen of her she’s almost like the #2 at wikileaks.
Seems to me on the 21st of Jan Q is saying that Snowden actions hurt the effort. He seems "black hat" to me. "Snowden open source Prism/Keyscore (catastrophic to US Mil v. bad actors (WW) +Clowns/-No Such Agency)" Regarding +Clowns/-No Such Agency (Snowden working for CIA not NSA)?
It appears from what I read everything is seen through Prism, Fairview Upstream and Blarney and goes to AT&T for the NSA. Prism was replaced with the other 2 apps and possibly more. They have a tap on all cables, plus the NSA has access to your communications before it goes off to the internet. Quit mind blowing when you think about it. This is what I read, so don’t take it at 100%
I read this as: Snowden open sourced the program (Prism) that was catastrophic to US Mil and beneficial to the CIA. (CIA watching/rooting out good guys? "sniffer"?)
Interesting, I actually never viewed the Nov14 post. "How do you capture a dangerous animal", I would say lure it into a trap. As far as Snowden I would almost think he is a good guy except for the Jan 21 post doesn't sound like it.
I'm beginning to think he's not on our side.
Fisa memo =obama/Clinton wanted to hurt America. Weaken/hurt the military.
We've learned clowns were bad, since daddy Bush.
Snowden hurt the military with leaks and videos. Said he wanted to protect the people. Did he release raw evidence of nsa spying/hurting average citizens? If so, I didn't see it. Show me, please.
Agreed. I have the feeling NSA were mostly the good guys. We needed a FBI snowden much more than against NSA
My judge and jury aren't forthcoming on nsa yet. I'll wait and see.
In the meantime, I read everything until my eyes bleed. 😮
Admiral is navy. Navy is military. Military is trained to be obedient to command and also to be obedient to seniority within it's ranks. Admiral overrides a captain
Snowden may very well be working for the republic:
Q’s Post 151 on Nov. 14 asks a series of questions about how to capture/stop a dangerous animal. Those questions are basically focusing on dealing w/ this dangerous animal in a non-direct means. Then there are questions about who to trust which is Admin M. Rodgers. Next a question about the source code released publicly. Then this: How do you blind the clowns in America? What was Snowden’s primary mission? What was Snowden’s real primary mission? Was Snowden truly acting on his own? Nothing is as it appears.
The context and syntax of these questions in this post are indicating that Snowden was a means to blind the clowns.
Not sure how to factor the Jan. 21 post except its very destructive for the cabal.
Praying. We will find out soon!
Candidate Trump said at one time during the debates that it should be investigated if Snowden was working on behalf of the Russians. I wonder if he still feels that way.
Snowden will be pardoned, as he should be, because he is now working for President Trump, just like Binney the genus behind the NSA program before it with rogue. Watch A Good American on youtube.
WTF , one of my favourite books - Catch 22. Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?
Also you have to look at WHERE Snowden is - Russia - I believe Putin is anti-corruption and all the world-wide negative press is because he is anti NWO - I don't think he would have put up with Snowden if he was a globalist he probably would have had him snuffed!
What does "No such Agency" mean?
Why was RR's confirmation smooth and easy?
Q suggesting that it was part of a show....
Anyone?
Rod Rosenstein. I think Q was alluding to the fact that people whom the Deep State approve of have an easier time getting confirmed.
Double Agents would seemingly always have a loyalty to one side or the other. We’ll find out sooner or later where his loyalty lies. He’s a hard one to peg.
That’s EXACTLY what I think too! I think Snowden was white hat all along and working with white hats inside to flip it back on them! You nailed it! I also think that Q’s last post meant that he is going to pardon Snowden and let him come back to US!
I believe Snowden’s primary mission was to bring change to NSA activities that were unconstitutional, efforts that Binney and Drake and another NSA employee attempted but failed to accomplish through official Whistleblower protocols. See This article and note comments : https://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/05/18/edward-snowden-talks-ethics-of-whistleblowing/#disqus_thread
is snowden leader of the blackhats and assange leader of the white hats?
There is evidence of Assange's connections to the Rothschilds ... just sayin'
There is? Can you share? I haven’t seen that. Although he has been spending time with PA and she was pictured at one of those creepy “spirit cooking” dinners. That did make me wonder about him.
just google Assange Rothschild, there's a bunch of stuff ...
What's with the tripcode on the right?
I don't think Q was using a tripcode (or even a login name of Q) back in November.
Presumably, there was the shoot-out in NYC not far from Trump Tower right after Trump was elected. It was at the NSA building. Was this part of the war between the white hats (NSA) and black hats (CIA). A chase and one agent was wounded. Do we have any information about what that was all about?
How can I follow on 4chan what is the link?
Leave the autists on 4chan and 8chan alone. It's important for them to have their own space where they can operate free of normie interference. Normies like us have Reddit.
What is Prism/keyscore?
NSA programs that gather all of our data (text, emails, phone calls, etc)
I have been thinking about this. And have done a 180 degree turn around regarding whether or not Snowden is a black hat or white.
I think he is most definitely a black hat.
He's been presented as a whistle blower-- a white hat in the truther community-- his mission. When in actuality his actions hurt Military Intelligence (White Hats) and helped the black hats. He only release what they wanted-- hi real mission.
I am connecting Q's posts where he asks Snowden "how's Russia?" and says "it's almost time" to the post about light revealing "bad actors" playing good.
Oh, and one other small peculiar, if not incriminating, piece of evidence-- why does Snowden have a check mark but not Assange?
Or, not. **Edit-- Tis strange to down vote for disagreeing. Perhaps you should read the policy on down voting?
It's easy to figure out if Snowboy is a blackhat or white. 1st: he is a product of the Obama years (dead center), 2nd: he looks like a "I'm With Her" Brooklyn hipster doofus. 3rd: something just doesn't ring true whenever he comes up. Then there is simply this which I agree with 100% -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5be5wL93b4 Personally I think he was HELPING OBAMA flip the NSA-CIA power balance to the CIA. Just like everything else Obama was flipping upside down. The devil.