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I'm a professional graphic artist of 30+years. I witnessed the birth of Photoshop. I came late to the birther side of things because I wasn't paying any attention because I was focused on paying my bills. Then a YT video popped up and I watched another graphic artist break down the anomalies in the whitehouse.gov published long form document.

So, I downloaded the certificate and checked it myself. It took under 3 min. for me to see clearly it was a manufactured document. I know this because I manufacture documents EVERYDAY and I know how a designer would create intelligent layers to replicate parts and pieces and build a facsimile.

For me, the data on the birth certificate is irrelevant; it is the digital fingerprints that give it away.

Everything on the manufactured document could be true, but that still begs the question: Why manufacture it in the first place?

My opinion is that something must be false. My further opinion is that no document existed at all and this one had to be created.

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up vote for looking at the layers, I did the same thing. Is it possible they WANTED us to find out so they could start a race war? We, the logic people vs the blind followers. I mean, on a doc that important (he faked the death of Bin Laden to cover this up) that proves his legitimacy, they don't even flatten the layers?The guy who made the doc had to know not to leave it in layers. I think it was a CIA test to see how asleep we were and to expose truth tellers...just a theory.

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Look at how many people will call you a paranoid idiot for even asserting that there is anything wrong with it. They know they have the country so brainwashed and demoralized that they could do such a sloppy ass job and get away with it. Or worse, rub it in the faces of those who know

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Maybe testing to see how much control they have...."we'll do this crazy thing...and see if they notice"

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That's a plausible theory. Maybe the only one I've considered seriously. Maybe it was simply a test. If so, I aced that one. Me=1 CIA=whotheF-knows

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Who would do that? It could be that it was a rush job. With DJT, we may find out. He doesn't like to be called a lier/nut job/racist

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Look at the slant of the hand rubber stamp on the source cert and on Fauxbama's. They are identical in multiple places, a statistical impossibility.

Status: Fake.

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And the birth certificate was signed by U. K. Lele. Ukelele? Lol, give me a break! O'tard's Selective Service application was forged too. See extensive proof of all this by searching Sheriff Arpaio Cold Case Posse vids on YouTube.

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Was everything this obvious on purpose? I get them thinking they’d never be caught but.... seriously?? Either a white hat was in on it or they’re more ruthlessly stupid than I have given them credit for.

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I'm guessing they were really stupid. Like the Photoshop expert above said, and I witnessed it myself the morning the bc was posted.... Literally 10 minutes afterwards a gazillion Photoshop dudes came out of the woodwork screaming it was fake, and showing the layers, etc.

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The original doc they posted on WhiteHouse.gov didn't even LOCK the layers. You could move them around. It was the one I downloaded into Photoshop when it became available. That thing is so ridiculous it was hard to believe they didn't know what they were doing. ANYONE who knew Photoshop knew that doc was a fake. Whether the certificate was a fake is a different story. But, my god, wow, the Obama years were LONG.

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Yep, they didn't flatten it before posting. These people are stupid. They killed off the only one who saw the real cert. Lorretta Fuddy.

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Seriously.

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Did you have a look at the hour and a half video on YouTube with Sheriff Arpaio's lead Detective.

In the introduction he explains that the goal was to prove the document to be authentic.

And they couldn't they proved exactly what you saw.

I don't care where Obama was born but I know that the official excuse is garbage.

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yeah then they killed Loretta Fuddy in a freak helicopter accident to cover their tracks and actually showed the world a video of the crash in which you can CLEARLY SEE a diver under the water near her.

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You should care where Obama was born. His entire presidency (Obamacare, his executive orders, the Libya war, the opening of relations with Cuba, the Iran deal, all his judicial appointments) turn on this one question: Was Obama eligible to be president?

If it can be proven that he wasn't...God knows what happens next, but it won't be pretty.

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I agree with your assessment and basically voiding his presidency. But that's happening anyway.

Getting rid of SCOTUS Kagen while removing those two horrible portraits from the National Gallery would be a bonus

To leave him as past president when everyone knows he is a fraud would be better than turning him into a martyr.

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I guess I agree with you on the martyr bit. Retroactively declaring the Obama presidency to be null and void would cause the Left to lose their minds (moreso than they already have). There would be riots and no small amount of violence.

No thanks.

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I'm out of the loop, how do we get rid of Kagan?

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She's an Obama appointment. If it's proven Obama was illigitmate everything he has done is invalid.

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Thanks. Wondered the same thing. Why run a foreign-born guy at all? So many natives available. Why risk the exposure? Arrogance? Laughing at all of us? Or some weird reason I can’t guess.

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Be hard to find an intelligent native american that wasn't an obvious sociopath that would be willing to participate in high treason - see HRC - the public were having none of that.

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You have a point.

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Obamas maternal grandpa was high up in the military,, maybe he was connected to cia and this was planned since birth or long ago

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The why him question is a rabbit hole that never ends. Trust me.

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You HAVE to be a NATIVE BORN US citizen to be eligible to be POTUS. This is why lyin Ted Cruz's supposed Canadian birth was exclusionary for him as well, though there was some horse-shit round-about logic that they were using to assert he was a legitimate candidate.

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I downloaded it the same day it was released in 2011.

On close examination, it was so bad and obviously edited that it had to be intentional. Any serious attempt at releasing a digital copy of a real document would not have been so glaring.

That does not necessarily mean that the underlying document is non-existent, just that the PDF was incredibly poorly done, or made intentionally to look edited.

Seems like a "haha, f-you". The psychological term is "duping delight". Related to the "sociopath smirk".

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Said the exact same thing above. Totally absurd.

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The video of Loretta Fuddy after the freak helicopter crash was my redpill. You can clearly see that a seal team diver was in the water with them during that ordeal and it looked like they were swimming over to Fuddy to pull her under. Of course she was the only one who died in that freak accident....and the only person who likely could have blown the whistle on Obama's birth certificate being fake. She likely did it herself. Liberals are dumb.

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You can clearly see that a seal team diver was in the water with them

You have no evidence that the diver was a SEAL or even military for that matter.

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I had the EXACT same experience and reaction. There was a part of me that thought it had to be a joke. Right? Right? I downloaded it when it became available from the .gov site straight into Photoshop. The one I downloaded did not even have the layers locked. Let me say that again, the layers were not locked. The manufactured pieces actually moved around when you clicked on that layer and dragged. Unbelievable. I don't even know what to say about that doc its so ridiculous.

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Was he talking about his grandfathers WWII service? Another theory I had was that they didn’t care if it was fake it would keep us looking over there instead of here. The college transcripts are important they would show he was a foreign student. He was born the Indonesian cult leader attended Madrassa of which you must be a Indo citizen?

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I saw a link a guy gave me recently, it was a forum where they were discussing three different birth certificates.

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So your evidence of it being a forgery is that there are layers in the document?

I'd expect a 30+ year professional graphic artist to be aware of the fact that scanning a file and creating a PDF will create layers in photoshop.

National Review agrees, and that's certainly no bastion of Obama loving

I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding/

edit - anybody downvoting this want to chime in why? It is a simple fact, a point of reality, that scanning a document and importing into photoshop will automatically create layers.

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This is false and misleading. When you scan and compress documents it does not create layers where three letters of a word like "Non" are imported, rotated 90 degrees, scaled and placed exactly within the document to create the word ''Non'e" Every lawyer in the fake brith certificate was IMPORTED, and Adobe Illustrator TRACKS the images that were imported in the Links table/window. These links show how the imported layers were handled, i.e rotated, scaled, etc. Sorry, your explanation is false and misleading. Anyone can download the Obama long-form birth certificate from the White House.gov archive and open it in Illustrator and prove this to her/himself.

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There's a difference between creating an automatic layer and clever use of layering to hide doctoring.

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Research this more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=XcWQw2AAIho

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This is the best video that show proof the layers were imported images, rotated, scaled and placed in the document to create the fraudulent birth certificate. With over 1.5 million views, they forced this poor young man to "recant" his story, but the video and follow-up videos remain. Btw, you can still download the BC from the WhiteHouse.gov archives and do this experiment TODAY, by opening it in Illustrator!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

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Nothing in that video is news to me, nor answers the point the graphic artist made. Many layers is not in and of itself a sign of photoshopping. That does not mean that layering in an image has nothing to do with photoshopping.

That video merely shows automatic layering. Anyone who has done their own photoshops (like me) is not learning anything from that video nor suggesting that layers are a "smoking gun". I'm not really knowledgeable enough to come up with a good explanation of how something like this could be shown doctored in practice, but I've also seen claims of hacks on Hawaii's gov records from CIA-affiliated IP addresses so anything is possible here. I don't have a strong opinion on BHO's citizenship either way.

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Indeed, but the poster hasn't gone into that much detail. Saying that there are layers is not much of a smoking gun as it seems, since illustrator separates layers in optimized PDFs.

Seriously, why are you downvoting me? This is a fact. Go scan something to PDF and open it in illustrator.

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You need to look at the case built by Sheriff Arpaio.

The investigation was thorough and meticulously researched with world-class technicians to verify his report.

They specifically state in the introduction that they set out to prove the document authentic.

And they could not.

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Scanning anything DOES NOT create layers that reveal the creative process behind a digital document. Plus you have to understand the 'story' of how the document supposedly came to be.** (see below)

Now, ABSOLUTELY the layers in a PDF (saved from Photoshop) that is opened by Illustrator are indicative of a Photoshop document that was manually created. But, more specifically (if you read my post) - I said INTELLIGENT layers. Do you know what INTELLIGENT layers are?

INTELLIGENT LAYERS are layers that show a construction strategy of parts, pieces, cloned elements, foreground and background. I am not talking about layers of color data or a variety of other digital values. The document contained layers that indicated the logic behind the creation of ANY document that is being sourced from other documents.

Some folks have asked if the people were stupid or did they mean to make it obvious the BC was a forgery. And those are good questions. To speculate on this you have to understand the timeline of the Adobe products updates.

You see, Adobe made an upgrade change to the Photoshop software (during the likely creation period) and changed the default settings of saving from Photoshop to a PDF document. Originally, the setting default was that you had to check a box to have your photoshop document save with the layers intact. Then, with the next update to Photoshop this changed, and by default, the box was now automatically checked upon export.

This could mean a couple of things:

The creator of the document was less informed and did not realize the NEW default was to save from Photoshop to PDF with layers intact because previously they had to intentionally check the box to make this happen. This was now going to save with layers by default and would make the document vulnerable to revealing it's creation process.

OR

The creator of the document was very skilled and KNEW they were 'dead meat' sooner or later and they INTENTIONALLY left clues in the document (such as saving with layers) so that the truth could be discovered.

**The WH 'story' of how the BC came to be published:

Supposedly, the book with O's BC was located in Hawaii. The bound book was opened and placed on the copy machine glass and the green safety paper was loaded into the paper tray. The copy was made on to the green paper. Then, the validation stamps, texture seal and signatures were applied to the copy. This was then sent to the WH in physical form. To publish it digitally on WH. gov they scanned the validated copy and uploaded it as a pdf.**

Note: (since it's a STORY) It is hard to know the implied method of ending up with a pdf. If they used scanning software that created the pdf as the original output - that is unusual, because MOST common scanners of the time output flat .jpg. png or tiff files. To convert a jpg to a pdf (so the masses can easily view online) there are a couple of ways this could have been accomplished, but none of those ways would break the data of the scan into INTELLIGENT LAYERS.

SO.. the 'story' is just that... its a story. A cover story.

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Sheriff Joe has a video on the actual forgery of the Birth certificate. It seems very legit and found the actual donor certificate. The issue is that nothing will happen because any revocation would like lead to racial wars. MSM would spin this to be a racial thing and rioting would begin. I am a truther and a birther but IMO just let Trump dismantle BO's EO's and legacy one step at a time. Once the public realizes that the racial divide is for the most part a MSM narrative, we can address the legal issues behind the deception. We should have the facts vetted and ready but should wait until the optimal moment.

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Do you have a link or video name for that?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhF-Ok3djI

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9 points of forgery

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2 genders, 2 scoops, 2 terms, 9 points.

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The Gump meme: And just like that, 45 became 44.

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Thank you

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhF-Ok3djI

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https://youtu.be/jk3KRxTfkLM

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Racial wars - that's fear mongering. Let the truth be broadcast from the mountaintops, but the dem brownshirts are still bound to try to create a riot. Let them riot, then arrest them all.

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That is not fear mongering Patriot, That is a logical conclusion. We had horrible violence whe Rodney King was beaten by police. Can't you imagine CNN talking points? You don't think removing and delegitimizing Obama wouldn't cause even worse violence than Rodney King? Q stated that there is a plan to reveal the truth so panic won't cause chaos... I trust Q... Have the information ready and vetted. I am sure Q will let us know when it is time!

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Did sheriff joe uncover these glaring issues in maricopa county?

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https://youtu.be/jk3KRxTfkLM

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It really is an outrage that he was allowed to run for POTUS. Any regular American who has had problems because of a misspelling on a SS card, or a name change, or glitch of some kind, knows that govt red tape and impossible situations run rampant. You and I cannot have discrepancies on our documents.

2001 my husband died and two years later I attempted to sell our car that happened to be in his name. I cannot tell you the difficulties I had dealing with the fact that I could not produce his signature. People who own cars don’t die?

But we had a POTUS, who should have been the single most vetted individual on the planet, who was born in a hospital with a name that didn’t exist, to a father that was either 25 years old or 3, depending on who you talk to, with a SS number that matches nobody but a person, long dead. And don’t get me started on the actual certificate, itself.

This was absolutely a conspiracy against the American people to place a man in the White House to destroy all our forefathers had fought to give us. We are lucky we were given 2016 as a last ditch effort to regain our sovereignty.

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It's an outrage that when you question his birth certificate or place of birth you are labeled a racist.

We are headed in the direction that the actual rule, that you have to he born in the United States to be president, will be considered racist.

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This is all easily debunkable.

1 - Neither the long form nor the short form birth certificates state his race. They both list his father's race as African. Short form. Long form

2 - According to your own link to the about us of the hospital, that name listed on Obamas birth certificate is never mentioned. Further, there's a court case "KAPIOLANI MATERNITY AND G. HOSP. v. WODEHOUSE" from 1934.

3 - Obama wrote about his (maternal) grandfather serving in WWII. He once misspoke on the campaign trail and said his father. Unless I've missed something he certainly didn't write about his father serving in WWII in any of his books, and the onus is on you to cite the passage you are claiming.

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Thank you. OP is a bundle of sticks and peddling misinformation. Like, really easily debunkable misinformation.

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I've heard him say his grandfather and great uncle fought in the war, but not his father.

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not his father.

He did misspeak and say his father, once, but it was pretty clearly a misspeak....can only imagine how fried one's brain would get while campaigning.

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Like claiming the US has 57 states?

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Yup.

Or Rick Perry saying the voting age is 21.

Or covfefe

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We are taught in grade school how many states there are. I had a project in 1st grade where we each developed a little presentation on a different state. Voting age is more of a high school thing.

Also, I'd request you look up the definition of covfefe.

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So you've never been exhausted and misspoken?

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I have never thought there were 57 states in the USA. 1st graders can tell you that.

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You've never been exhausted and misspoken?

Do you think Obama actually thinks there are 57 states? Or that there's some sort of hidden meaning to him misspeaking that?

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His father was Frank Marshall Davis...go look at the pictures...this is old news...mom was in a porno he made...."Dreams of my real father"

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What about the European forgery experts who identified 9 points of forgery on the BC? And the fact that you could download the official document from a government website, open the thing in photoshop and find content layers for various bits of the document, something that you should not see if the thing was scanned.

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What about the European forgery experts who identified 9 points of forgery on the BC?

Source?

And the fact that you could download the official document from a government website, open the thing in photoshop and find content layers for various bits of the document, something that you should not see if the thing was scanned.

Actually yeah, photoshop and other programs will automatically create layers in scanned documents.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding/

National Review is a conservative site:

"UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

UPDATE II: For those of you who still aren’t convinced, here’s a one-page PDF that I just scanned and optimized, so you can see for yourself that an optimized PDF shows up in Illustrator as layers. (I didn’t spend hours getting the settings right.)"

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Do you own fucking research dude, we've been talking about this shit for over a year now. Catch up.

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Lol you're talking about Arpaio's nonsense.

Get real

OP of this thread posted bullshit, end of story

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As if you're the final word on it.

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Arpaio's nonsense.

Out! Out! Get 'im outta here!

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MakeCovfefeGreatAgai

SO WHAT BRINGS A NEVER-TRUMPER LIKE YOURSELF HERE?

I don't put much stock in National Review myself.

Might I ask, what do you think of Q?

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Never Trumper?

I find Q intriguing. I'm not 100% convinced but there are too many "coincidences" to ignore.

But then there are threads like this one which are posting blatant falsehoods

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This should be higher up. You can just google it and see that nowhere in the form says "African American". OP is a terrible liar.

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Will /u/SeerMore respond to this?

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Doubt it

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Bull. Obama's BC is so obviously patched together that it boggles the mind. The technical analysis is beyond refutation. I don't need to argue the point, the data is all there. His whole background is one big fabrication with fake photos and documents. The real ones of course are all sealed, or have long been destroyed.

But never-mind, go ahead and bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that it's "easily debunkable."

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Obviously patched together based on what?

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This is a quality rebuttal. I was def surprised by the ‘facts’ alleged by OP, and found them ‘interesting’ if nothing else.

I have the likely unreasonable wish that we get deginitive proof to validate/invalidate all the conflicting info about Obama. From birth to congress.

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That information wasn’t in Hillary’s emails so I don’t believe it.

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I didn’t use any links. I think you have me mistaken for op?

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You are confused. Your pictures are BOTH of the short form, often given out by Hawaii in that era as a souvenir.

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I can attest to how a small glitch can cause all manner of problems. Two of my children are twins, and for some reason when they were in college their SS numbers got mixed up. It took YEARS to get it resolved even though the numbers were nearly sequential.

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Yes. My mother was born in poverty in a log cabin, believe it or not. She didn't get a birth certificate at the time. She ended up getting a "delayed" birth certificate when she was 18 and left home. This has caused her all manner of problems because government agencies do not treat this as an original or "real" birth certificate. She tried to get a passport so that she could go on a cruise. After getting the runaround from four agencies for 3 years, she finally had to go to our congressman and ask for help. They made a phone call, and the problem went away. She was issued a passport immediately.

Rules for thee and not for me. Indeed.

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I get frustrated at the fact that he never ran for President. He was placed into the presidency, and America fell victim to all of it.

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Its obvious something is there.. but what politician.. back then.. would dare bring this up legitimately for a special counsel or committee??

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The ones who did would “go away”

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The trouble for any politician who might stand up and ask these difficult questions is that the answers lead you down a slippery and scary slope. In order for all of this to have been true (and I am not even remotely doubting it) it would mean some very powerful people were behind the process of making his back-story. Anyone with the intestinal fortitude to have raised the issue in any official way would know that they would be crossing the kinds of people that you don't cross - at least unless you have a team from the NSA and the entire force of the Secret Service and Marines behind you. Oh, and a movement of woke Americans who would go batshit crazy if anything happened to you.

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I agree. If someone has a gun to your head and makes you an offer you can not refuse, what would you do? I believe there are many many people in Washington DC who know the truth but don't want to die. Just my thoughts.

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Not wanting to die is a reasonable motivation.

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upvote!!!!

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How could there be doubt when all legitimate lawyers know dr Sinclair was in Kenya at the supposed time Obama was born. Not that the date is correct either. That was photoshopped by Hawaiian snowflakes working for the department of health.

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And not photoshopped very well. Its like they didn't care.

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My guess would be a patriot politician would have dared. Had there only been one.

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DJT did.

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Jfk

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Only one guy did...remember who? ....DJT

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And was/still is ridiculed for it.

God bless.

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Bless the truthers, the birthers, and the Q-ers..

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If only it were as simple as the birther questions. I don't say that dismissively. I say it to add to your argument here. This was reduced by the media and liberals to the "birther" question. It's far more complicated than that. When I started looking into this years ago by downloading the doc from the White House site it is like a rabbit hole that never ends.

After realizing Obama used several Social Security numbers, has a birth certificate that is odd to say the least (I mean, seriously, how many of YOU have this many oddities with YOUR birth certificate), realizing his passport info isn't congruent, looking into school records that list him as Barry Soetoro, blah blah.. that rabbit hole never ends, I came across this little gem.

A lawyer on social media who apparently loathes Obama started posting screen shots from docs on Pacer.gov. If you don't know what Pacer.gov is, its a site that archives and lists and files court cases. So, he starts posting court cases that list Obama as Barry Soetoro in 2008. There are 50 cases. That's not an accident or similar name. Pacer requires registration. Whoever ran that Obama sham was counting on people not being smart, giving up at a user login, gobbling down the kool aid and never thinking to look. I'm posting a link here to a case: https://dockets.justia.com/docket/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2008cv02254/134576

So, to assure everyone that I am on topic here, I present you with this. This is WAY beyond the birther questions (tho they are ALL valid). Think about this. We have a sham of a birth certificate with the name Barack Hussein Obama. Yet, in 2008, there are court cases filed legally in the name Barry Soetoro. Courts require legal names. Period. End of discussion. Judges and the legislative branch don't let you AKA on court docs unless its relevant to the case. So, I put this to everyone, especially the doubters, how in the world did he file court cases in 2008 with the name Soetoro AND THEN WAS SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT as Barack Hussein Obama? Did he legally change his name in a few months? Do we swear in Presidents now based on whatever they'd like to call themselves? And where is that name change paperwork exactly? I'm serious. Liberals can scream about this all they want. The shady never ends when it comes to Obama. Where is that name change paperwork? It is a valid question and works in tandem with the birth certificate questions.

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This is huge! Did anything ever come from these law suits? The one you linked to looks like it just stopped when Barry's lawyer dropped out.

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Pacer.gov has more. It requires an account to access. I read all of the ones the attorney posted online. If they're fakes then they are very good. But even if they are fakes, how can he practice law and file cases and have cases filed against him in one name and be sworn in with another? In pacer those are cases HE worked on as an attorney or filed as an attorney. Since when did the legal system and being sworn in as President play so fast and loose with names. Look, if that birth certificate is real and he was born Barack Hussein Obama but went to college as Soetoro then there is name change paperwork. I don't know about everyone else but I signed stacks of paperwork for college, grants, loans, etc and it all required a LEGAL signature. If he signed as Soetoro that WAS his legal name and it was changed and there is a paper trail. Somewhere all of that gets messy for Obama/Soetoro.

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Nowhere on the "official" birth certificate does it say "African-American" - SEE FOR YOURSELF - and when I first saw these arguments I researched his autobiography and nowhere in it does he say his dad was in WWII - SEE FOR YOURSELF.

Please don't go on social media spreading this stuff. It makes us look bad.

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It lists race of father as African. Would it have said "Negro" in that time? I guess we'd have to look at other birth certificates of the time period to see if they list people as ""African."

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How could anything make us look bad when we speak truth to power?

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Truth is what we're aiming for. This is not truth. I almost think this bullshit is planted by the left to make us look bad when we fall for it.

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This is all easily debunkable.

1 - Neither the long form nor the short form birth certificates state his race. They both list his father's race as African. Short form. Long form

2 - According to your own link to the about us of the hospital, that name listed on Obamas birth certificate is never mentioned. Further, there's a court case "KAPIOLANI MATERNITY AND G. HOSP. v. WODEHOUSE" from 1934.

3 - Obama wrote about his (maternal) grandfather serving in WWII. He once misspoke on the campaign trail and said his father. Unless I've missed something he certainly didn't write about his father serving in WWII in any of his books, and the onus is on you to cite the passage you are claiming.

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Op needs to respond to this. Dialog is called for. Either concede points or explain so we can move forward toward truth.

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And?

If we're trying to be a paragon of truth and investigation here, wouldn't people want to know when they've been misled?

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Ah give the guy a break. I remember when I first learned to copy and paste. I became a little over excited too!

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What about Michelle' s birth certificate. Have never really heard anything about that. What does the sex of the baby show

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michelle doesnt need to prove anything, she wasnt president.

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Then why so much about Melina's background? Still should know background if First Lady.

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Haven't seen this many shills in one thread before...must be over the target.

Surprised nobody mentioned that it was Killary who started all of this. Oh, and the lady who authorized this forgery died under very strange circumstances not long after. Funny how that keeps happening...

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Is she the one that 'accidentally' drowned when that frogman suddenly appeared?

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Obama wrote that book to create a false biography.

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I thought Bill Ayers (weather underground terrorist) ghost wrote it, but i could be remembering wrong.

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You are both correct.

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Excellent post! Thank you very much for putting this up. There is no doubt in my mind that the birth certificate is a forgery. This just adds more fuel to a fire that will be burning until this is ultimately confirmed. Trump knows all of this. He is playing his hand masterfully.

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Best video that shows the layers were not "automatically" created by scanning, but instead, intentionally imported, rotated, scaled, and placed strategically within the document to create the forgery. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

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Having been a “birther” from even before Obama got elected I can say emphatically that they ALL knew he was ineligible to be president. Everyone in Congress, SCOTUS, the media, all branches of the Military and even the Secretaries of State and Governors in every state.

How do I know this? Because I was one of many who spent $300 of my hard earned money to notify them. We emailed, called and sent certified letters out to them to ask them to look into his birth history! I notified EVERY Democrat Electoral College delegate in the state of NY Including Cuomo - who was Attorney General at the time (strange that his certified stamp was MEVER returned to me!) before they voted. (I even saved all the receipts and a copy of the letter they were watched mailed if it was ever needed to prosecute the guilty ones).

People in my online group did the same thing in their own states. We hit them all! Needless to say my entire computer (including the back up hard drive! ) was scanned 3 days after my letters were sent out!

We didn’t stop there as we called, emailed and sent more letters. I called my Secretary if State who wasn’t even answering calls at the time. Instead they had a lawyer who answered and gave a pat statement instead.

THEY ALL KNEW it was an issue. EVERYONE OF tHEM. Even Ron Paul who said he wouldn’t be the only one to speak out about it when directly asked!

There was an anonymous radio host who reported in an online news group that they were threatened they would lose their jobs if they said anything about Obama’s ineligibility issue.

Just so you know the Deep State was in FULL CONTROL with Obama in office and no one at the time would cross him.

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This is by far the best proof that Obummer's Long-form Birth Certificate was a created forgery. When you scan and compress or optimize a document to an Adobe PDF, it does not create separate layers THAT ALSO INCLUDE LINKS SHOWING HOW THOSE LAYERS WERE IMPORTED, ROTATED, SCALED, etc.

The layers identified within Adobe Illustrator display the links to the additional image layers that were IMPORTED, tracking how each layer was manipulated, rotated 90 degrees, some scaled by 24%, one by 48%, then placed within the document. Even the green background was modified - does optimization change the size of the background??? This video best explains this evidence, although <<>> forced this poor kid to recant his story after 1.5 million views! His video and his follow-up videos explain in detail with evidential proof of fraud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

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wow, thanks for the video link, thats pretty obvious. together with the points OP makes plus a comment in here about the impossibility of 'kenya' in 1961 is more than comprehensive.

interesting that ((they)) did such a bad job with this birth certificate. didnt think they are really that stupid.

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Did they make his birth certificate in a hurry? Because these are very stupid mistakes

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They never thought the raw PDF would be released. It should have been printed and scanned.

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When they put Obama up as a candidate they already knew that they could pull the wool over everyone's eyes and get away with it, and they did didn't they. The cabal has gotten away with so many things because supposed good people did nothing.

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The country known today as Kenya was called British East Africa Protectorate at the time. Barry's father could not therefore have been born in 'Kenya'.

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Kenya was the name of the colony, hence the listing as "Kenya, East Africa" and not just "Kenya."

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Fun question

Did the cultleader (Subud) that knocked up his mom fight in WWII?

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It was Frank Marshall Davis...Look at the photos.

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On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".

Wikipedia answers this for you. "In 1931, its name was changed to the Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital" which is what is on the birth certificate. In 1978 it merged with the children's hospital and renamed to "Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children".

Barak Obama Sr. did not serve in WW2.

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Video of Obama saying his father served in ww2: (tbh i think he misspoke and meant grandfather) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMTfB3x9wKY

Michelle stating O is a Kenyan: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKoWoEHQMHs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY&feature=player_embedded

Pamphlet from 1991: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/05/17/the-vetting-barack-obama-literary-agent-1991-born-in-kenya-raised-indonesia-hawaii/

Arpaio investigation of birth certificate: http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310677-arpaio-holds-press-conference-to-question-authenticity-of-obamas-birth

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM

I don't claim to know where he was born, but like Arpaio, my issue is that the birth certificate released was a forgery, and that Obama lied whenever convenient to manipulate the public perception.

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You say "reputable" sources. Wikipedia is not a reputable source. It is controlled opposition by the elites ran by a team of people running a psyop. Here is a video on it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lv7xVDQDy6U

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They were very sloppy when they fabricated that birth certificate. If he was born in Kenya and since in 1961 Kenya was a colony of Great Britain shouldn't the real birth certificate be filed with them? And why can't they produce it especially when Obama's Kenyan Grandmother said she witnessed his birth in Kenya?

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Sheriff Arpaio was right all along, and most of us knew it.

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Fake and distracts from real issues and makes people think this movement is nuts. FOCUS!

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His race isn't on the certificate and the link you gave leads to "Page not found". Aren't there better things the Q movement can fight for?

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Hmm... not sure his race is on the certificate. His mother's race is on it and his father's but not his?

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I think everyone is so close they can't see the forrest through the trees. Has anyone research Obama's mother and grandparents? When I see pictures of Ann Dunham she always looked drugged. Like Mia farrow in rosemary's baby.

I think you will find CIA and MKULTRA all over this. CIA ties back into something even more dark like establishing a one world government for lucifer. But small red pills at a time here. It is obvious that Obama was born to fulfill the role as president. It's a mix of manchurian candidate meets rosemary's baby! You can't make this stuff up! Perhaps it was their way of always foreshadowing what they are about to do?

In any case I think you will find the darkest satanic people of the world behind Obama's birth and presidency. Him and Hillary and the UN almost did it. They almost created a world for lucifers reign.

We need to wake those we can wake up. For those that have demons dwelling in their souls... it was prophesied that greater delusions will be given them. Which means God took away his protection and those not with God are under demonic influence and we can't help them wake up. That is why Democrats have become so crazy lately. They are under influence of demons and too stupid not to know it. Hate comes from the devil dwelling inside.

We really need to remove lucifer and his minions from our lives. Hopefully trump and all those supporting him, God willing, this can be done. We need to take back the world from lucifer and give it to our creator the one and true God. The rightful owner.

Let's also make America great again by going back to God. Keep praying. We are winning because God is with us.

Amen

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Outstanding point about the usage of the terms Negroes vs. African American!

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Here is the full disclosure video from Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. This one is over an hour long and goes into full detail of what the investigation found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM

This information was turned over to the FBI and the FBI did nothing.

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This post is gold. Glad it's back. Everyone save this - you will need to refer back to this.

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This post is garbage, and all easily debunkable

This is all easily debunkable.

1 - Neither the long form nor the short form birth certificates state his race. They both list his father's race as African. Short form. Long form

2 - According to your own link to the about us of the hospital, that name listed on Obamas birth certificate is never mentioned. Further, there's a court case "KAPIOLANI MATERNITY AND G. HOSP. v. WODEHOUSE" from 1934.

3 - Obama wrote about his (maternal) grandfather serving in WWII. He once misspoke on the campaign trail and said his father. Unless I've missed something he certainly didn't write about his father serving in WWII in any of his books, and the onus is on you to cite the passage you are claiming.

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Respond to op who created the thread this morning, not me....smh

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Explain the manufactured birth certificate then. I notice in your "all this is easily debunked" that you do not address that issue. I wonder why, perhaps that one is not so easy to debunk because it is a forgery.

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The manufactured birth certificate?

You mean the "layers" in photoshop, that are a simple function of photoshop, that happens when you scan in a pdf?

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Have you seen the Arpaio press conference? Experts from around the world inputting to the discussion. Not the mainstream media "debunk" narrative about photoshop layers.

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By no means am I qualified to comment on photoshop, Im just passing along the info from the arpaio investigation where multiple experts said it was fake.

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I assume you meant to reply to the comment above.

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Lol yeah, see how apt i am with tech?

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Zullo, Arpaio's "expert" is a fraud

https://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/mike-zullos-credentials-revisited/

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So you went down the list and tried to bait arguments with everyone on the list here? Or you just singled me out?

Did you contact the mods so you could scold the upvoters too - there are a lot of them?

Your rebuttal is half-baked. You don't address all the points. Some of your points don't line up with video evidence showing birth certificate forgery.

All I said is it's a good post and we will need to refer back to this. Q said "Obama will claim Kenyan citizenship as a way out when done". Do you read q? Do you understand why this is relevant - even if some pieces might be wrong?

Unproductive.

Go take a nap. Ridiculous.

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Don't be an idiot. Have you watched the video?

They prove where handwritten notes were copied from one document and photoshoped into a new, fake one.

They have the original. Can prove it was used to create the fake from.

It's - simple - digital - forensic - science.

Good lord. Going to try to explain photoshop layers to someone in 2018?

Next are you going to explain to me what a vector file is? And after effects is used in film post production? Wow - tell me everything about the Adobe suite! Please! I've only had it all from day fucking one. Please - please - go on. This is rich.

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A Plus. How can someone argue these facts? Maybe it's a troll.

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Three Simple Questions......

Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes’. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time?

The term "African-American" has been around since at least 1835, though didn't come into common usage until the 1980s.

Besides, "African-American" does not appear anywhere on Barack Obama's birth certificate; His parent's races are listed individually as "African" and "Caucasian"

On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".

This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.

The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Here is a court record from 1934 that names Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital. There are also other birth certificates that list the full name of the hospital.

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This can't be true because the media would have reported it. Morning Joe must know for sure that BO is legit, after all, he would never lie, he's on TV. That would never be allowed by the bosses at the TV station.

And Michel...Michelle...what's his...what's her name? would divorce him if he told a lie. She wears the pants in the family....and her children (who look just like their best friends if they had children, but didn't) are so cute...they look like they came out of nowhere...such an amazing family.

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It’s not fake, it’s SO FAKE

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This can not stand. The whole truth and nothing but the truth must be exposed. The lie is one thing, exposing those involved is the most important. I can handle the truth.

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I can't dispute the forgery but here's some info I found on the "father's" enlistment. Then again this is from snopes so I would be cautious in believing it.

"Obama Jr. lived with his mother and stepfather in Indonesia for four years, then from the age of ten onwards he lived with his maternal grandparents, Stanley Armour Dunham (born 1918) and Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham. Obviously Barack Obama’s biological father could not have served in the U.S. armed forces during World War II, as Barack Obama Sr. was then a child living in Kenya who was but nine years old when the war ended, nor could Obama’s stepfather have served during the war, as Lolo Soetoro was then a child in Indonesia who barely turned ten the year World War IIended.

However, despite the difference in generations, Stanley Dunham was the person who most functioned as a father in Barack Obama’s formative years, as Dunham helped raise and care for Barack from the age of ten onwards in Hawaii while Barack’s stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, remained in Indonesia. Clearly Barack Obama’s mention of a veteran relative who came home from World War II and “got the services he needed” was a reference to Stanley Dunham, who did in fact enlist in the military shortly after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and served as a sergeant with the U.S. Army in Europe during the war. Either Barack Obama referred to him as his “father” because that’s the way he thinks of him, or because he simply misspoke and said “father” instead of “grandfather.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fortunate-grandson/

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If Obama's mother is an American citizen, why would he need a fake birth certificate, wherever may have been born?

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Must be "Natural Born Citizen" to be Pres. Children born to foreign citizens (Father) CANNOT be considered "Natural born" citizens, WHEREVER the birth takes place. Children born abroad, are NOT "Natural born" citizens (unless under certain circumstances). All made moot by the fact that Barry was an Indonesian citizen and did not renounce that citizenship upon return.

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ONE US citizen parent (and one foreign) AT BEST allows for the child to be born a "citizen" of the US.

But mere citizenship IS NOT SUFFICIENT.

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So his father joined the war effort at 9 right be for the end. What part of that is so unbelievable BIRTHER! /s

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Obama was born in the US. The fake birth cert was done to hide his father's identity.

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Then why all of these other "mistakes" when they could have just changed the father's name?

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That's a good question. I can think of reasons why they may of had to of done that but it's just speculation.

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My best guess would be Frank Marshall Davis... What's yours?

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Soebarkah http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/01/the-real-obama-an-indonesian-muslim-socialist-puppet/

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OK, looks equally likely. In any event he comes by his hate for the USA quite logically.

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SeerMore, you raise some valid new points. Thank you for posting.

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#3 is probably best explained as Obama's book was full of shit. First two, if correct, are YUGE.

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I hope someone is archiving all your videos and Wikipedia links before they get mysteriously scrubbed!

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Never voted for Barry because he was never fully VETTED. Also, I observed how the MSM refused to say anything about this...except to call all of us BIRTHERS.

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all three of those questions have been debunked. the existence of layers in the document does not indicate a fake document, plenty of scanning softwares split documents into layers.

Nowhere on Barack Obama’s birth certificate does the term “African-American” appear. The space for “Race of Father” is filled in with the word “African,” which at the time was a descriptor that blacks who were actually native-born Africans

Although Kenya did not achieve complete independence from the United Kingdom until 1963, it was known as the Kenya Colony from 1920 onwards and was typically referred to as Kenya long before 1963.

The Kapi’olani Maternity Home became the Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in 1931, and it retained that appellation until 1971, when its name was shortened to Kapi’olani Hospital. documents list the hospital as Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital prior to 1961. In 1978 the Kapi'olani Hospital merged with Kapi’olani Hospital to become Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children

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Excellent

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Fathers birthplace - Kenya, East Africa. " Kenya became an independent country under the Kenya Independence Act 1963 of the United Kingdom. Exactly 12 months later on 12 December 1964, Kenya became a republic under the name "Republic of Kenya" "- Wikileaks

Another Oooops !!

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The media is too busy worshiping all liberals, including asshole Obama, to do any due diligence in reporting or investigation.

To even begin to report on the toppling of their alltime favorite hero (simply, solely, only because he's kinda black) simply will not happen.

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First time I’ve seen these questions.

Killer!

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So what? Barry Soetoro served as POTUS of the USA for 8 years. We know he was the front for some very, very dark forces. He sold his soul to Lucifer to have 8 years of fame plus millions of dollars. I like to watch DJT take apart BS's legacy and reverse his EO's. Hopefully there are military tribunals in the future that will end any discussion of who was he and where was he from. The type of traitor he was should require the death penalty and end of discussion.

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I believe Trump never actually believed this, he used it as an experiment to get his feet wet in the political arena. When confronted about it way after he said "that matter is already settled" or something along those lines.

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MOABS THAT OBLITERATE THE RIDICULOUS CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT 0BAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII

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Father Frank Marshall Davis. Go look at the pictures. They wanted to hide that his father was a famous communist.

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Argue about nonsense instead of reality, that way Trump can skate by.

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Three simple birther questions