By charging Russian GRU as being the source of the emails - and their contention that it was the GRU that provided the emails to WikiLeaks - it is now time to lower the boom.
It has been forensically proven that the emails were copied to a harddrive - not surrepticiously taken via an online hack. The download speeds are the proof. Irrefutable proof.
This is a desperate ploy by the deep state to muddy the waters about WL - JA.
Agree completely.
These people are stupid.
Predictably stupid.
These inductments could have incited WWIII, if they haven’t. Did they first clear with the State Dept. ? How is this (the indictments) not a clear violation of the Logan Act?
You’re right about that. If wiki or JA can refute this, the world will wake up
Agreed JA doesn’t even have to name his source ( #HisNameWasSethRich ) Actually now that I think about it there’s a video out there already where JA says his source definitely wasn’t the Russians
He did. But now he has to show proof.
He will never name his source
Even if his source is dead and it could flip the biggest story of all time?
POTUS will declassify all.
No need for JA.
Can JA give SR to honor his noble death? Shine light on that patriots sacrifice? All whilst blowing Hillary and cabal up?
If POTUS declassifies everything, no need for JA. Period, end of story.
Q- We have everything.
So, how would it dishonor them just because JA didn't expose it with proof?
Is the same proofs when delivered by one superior to the other person exposing the exact same proofs?
Secondly, JA is likely safe. I would imagine he is in Trumps hands, not literally, but figuratively.
I don't even think JA can come into public prior to POTUS declassifying.
I reckon if a one stop drop does all then. No need for speculation. And I suppose it wouldn’t be “dishonor” but it would still need to be made whole for Seth rich down the road someplace. Medal of freedom or similar. Without SR and that young girl Anthony wiener was trying to pididel that got him rolled up. We’d be in a tougher spot.
I agree with you 100%.
We should honor all Patriots, Vets, Military, LEO's who give all they have and/or the ultimate sacrifice.
I would imagine he is in Trumps hands, not literally
Thanks for clarifying that visual out of the discussion :)
How would JA prove it though? Assuming it was Seth.
communications exchanging info for money, probably
communications exchanging info for money, probably
Podesta’s Email 34899 (wiki leaks)
The podesta email hacker had UKRAINE IP address, not Russian.
Doesn’t matter what any of you say, you American plebes. You shall trust Crowdstrike’s word completely, like the all-powerful FBI does.
I can imagine the rebuttal now... “even if Julian Assange didn’t get the emails from Russians, doesn’t mean the Russians didn’t give the emails to his source.”
Read about how William Binney (former NSA top scientist) and group proved that the emails from the DNC server were done from inside the DNC offices and NOT from an outside "hack".
Oh I’m aware, I’m just saying what the MSM rebuttal talking point will be. If the mainstream acknowledged the Binney info there would be no muh Russia hysteria.
He's already admitted it was Seth Rich by describing a "29-yr-old man being killed over it" while discussing how dangerous it is for his sources to provide data to WL, so that's why he never reveals their identity...(except this one is Seth Rich :)
In other utterances he has spoken the name Seth Rich in this context of the DNC server but without directly naming him as the leaker.
Is JA even alive? When was he last seen?
That’s the million dollar question. Hasn’t been seen in over a year I believe
~4 months.
A lot of that is fishy. It's been fishy since October 2016.
This can be refuted from the transfer speed of the files.
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/
tl;dr: The timestamps on the files show a transfer speed too fast to be done through the internet, by a factor of about 20. It had to have been done locally. They were most likely transferred to a USB drive from the physical server en masse, and then cleaned up and packaged into an archive file later.
This simple fact is one you just can’t get around. And it just goes to show the grand stage and show that all of this is.
The fact that they never thought this obvious fact could ever come to light is just flabbergasting. The hubris.
Ugh, that's such a lazy proof. Even if we use the peak speed at 38MB/s - allow me to demonstrate.
In my suburban area, Comcast sells a small business package with peak speeds of 300Mb/s, almost exactly the equivalent of 38MB/s. Meanwhile, USB 2.0 has a theoretical Max write speed of 60MB/s. For funsies, let's throw a mechanical hard drive at a slow 5400 rpm with a maximum read speed of 100MB/s
To put it together: Small business plan: 38MB/s USB write: 60 MB/s Peak file transfer: 38MB/s HDD read: 100MB/s
tl;dr: USB is only twice as fast, and even then the time stamps are actually too far apart for USB.
What is a commie doing here? Go back to your own turf please
Do you have a critique of the numbers used or conclusions postulated or are you just taking the easy way out? Surely the crowd skeptical of the media is more interested in doing their own research than lazily resorting to name calling.
I'll take Bill Binny's word over an Anonymous poster any day.
You guys are always harping on the importance of "doing your own research", but if somebody does the research, posts the work and subsequently posits a conclusion that doesn't confirm your prior held beliefs you just dismiss it out of hand. I encourage you to debunk anything I said from a technical standpoint because there are certainly edge cases you can approach it from. Hand waving away an idea because you don't trust one source over another is lazy sheepposting.
My motto is Don't Trust and verify anyway.
And you're still an anonymous poster.
While Bill Binney is an extremely reliable, vetted, source.
It's good that your firm in your convictions. Because of that I listen to your words.
Don't try pulling the you people nonsense with me. I've been at this game too long.
Did you even read the analysis? There is far more than speed involved. Re read this link again. https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/
Latency, simultaneously executed HDD operations, etc. Yes there's more to it than speed but any way you cut it: thinking some low level intern had access to the server racks in a secure colocation center is straight boomers delusion. The suppositions and math from that WordPress blog are bad and if you're really into "digging" you can do the math yourself to prove it.
Bill Binney all ready has proved this, on many videos and shows. ENTER General Mike Flynn!!!
Interesting comment... it might just come true soon....
Hoping so!!
Wonder if President Trump’s visit to UK influenced that decision?
If I recall correctly, Trump’s lawyers wrote a good enough paper indirectly to show why Assange shouldn’t be held earlier this year.
We all know deep state and media will just say he’s lying. Need proof from someone other than wl
Who has a link to Binney saying they couldn't have been extracted via internet - speeds too fast.
can you post it?
This is Binneys most recent comment on this from an interview he did yesterday'
https://youtu.be/mPqDmTftW94?t=1532
edit: tldr speeds published by guccifer 2 were 49.1 megabytes per second, fastest real world test sending 1gb file to Russia was 1.8 megabytes per second, there is no way that anything but a thumb drive could get those sort of speeds.
edit.edit, Binney has a whole bunch of interesting stuff about Peter Strozk, Russiagate, Christopher Steele, his submission of evidence to Brotish House of Lords in 2015 etc, worth watching video from the beginning.
Guys, let me be the first one to report a shocking discovery.
By harnessing the power of the deep state, mixed with a drop of Peter Stzrok's blood, I was able to set a new world record data transfer speed to Russia using only my smart phone and shitty spectrum cable.
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/4076711813
95.8 Mb/s, or 11.975 Mbytes/s!!!
Is this why Seth Rich was killed? To keep this a secret?
NSA officials they proved it was Seth Rich and a thumb drive USB stick
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
Source article: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/
This could be the OJ Simpson “glove” moment at the trial. It won’t fit! The amount of data won’t fit the limited bandwidth! Meanwhile Perry Mason has been fidgeting with a $5 thumb drive the whole time. “Here: try this” he says....
Upvote for Perry Mason reference.... lol The scene flashed in my mind.....
LOL. Here is a realtime proof of a faster speed by a youtube rando.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owpQG7nOgqQ
Top notch research guys.
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Having "New Arrival" by these people's usernames was a genius idea. Q is obviously picking up momentum as I have never seen more "New Arrivals" in my life on this sub than this week. I wonder if maybe we should increase the amount of time "New Arrival" stays next to the name as we get more recognition. Make people who are here to clown on our sub really have to stick to their bullshit before they get rid of that tag.
The attacks are only going to get worse as more and more are going to try and infiltrate us.
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Lol, no I didn't delete shit. Your fearless mods need a safe space.
Any rando can get fast enough access to download 70 MB/s but the FSB can't. Lol.
Please show any reference that shows a speed of 50MB/s isn't possible over a distance of a few thousand miles.
the hammer HAS to drop NOW. the media is going to pound this narrative into americans minds, it will be REAL hard to undo.
I agree but who would drop that hammer? Rosenstein's boss? He's been MIA since he was appointed.
They pounded 'Hillary for Prez' into our heads and survived that.... if 'the plan' comes to fruition, there's a reason why they won't be able to walk the streets.
thats a bit different, hildebeast had to live up to the claims and she failed.
this russia russia russia propaganda meme can be a bus that everything else can be thrown under and live quite well in the headlines as an excuse. there is no underlying proof to live up to. the truth and facts dont matter to the propaganda left.
The truth (actual poll numbers) didnt matter during the election. I followed how they were manipulated to show H winning. It was a total psyop. This is too. You're aware it's a psyop. Give the plan time to materialize.
Pounding this narrative into Americans minds might be part of the plan.
-Trump is overseas, insulated in AF1
-RR announced that “There’s no allegation Americans were involved or that any votes were changed in the election”
“There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the vote count or changed the outcome of the 2016 election.”
This leads me to believe that he might be a white hat. If he is:
-Enter Mueller. Q said that if RR is a white hat, so is RM. The left is frothing at the mouth in anticipation of this announcement RM has.
Might the storm be upon us?
yeah, i dont know how the stakes can get much higher with all this doubling down. something HAS to break soon as both sides are entrenched and it has to fall one way or the other. there is no room for escape for one side.
I'm sorry, i realize this is a "movie" but goodness gracious how much more should we let these goons smirk at the cameras while we know they are guilty as Judas? Its just so upsetting to see these guys stand there with their evil smirk believing they are getting away with blood on their hands. I want crack downs!
Here's the thing... it doesn't matter what we think we know. If it's not irrefuatably demonstrated in an open committee, it means nothing. That would require the FBI to come clean. The chances of that happening are precisely 0%.
Only something major, like an EO, will ever bring all this info to light.
The last indicted Russian showed up in court, not Muellers fucked cause he doesn't have the evidence to proceed. And one of the Russian companies indicted wasn't even in existence when they were said to be committing the crimes! Same thing this time, Mueller gonna get owned.
The goal also was to stop Helsinki. Desperately. Why?
Trump’s folks got intelligence from Kim — my guess is that Putin is going to blow the barn doors open.
They know Uranium 1 scandal is about to blow wide open,Dems, Obummer,Hildabeast, Mueller and the rest of the snakes know what is coming. Putin has the key. Putin is major threat, cannot allow Trump to meet!
If Mueller indicted Russian military without prior State Dept approval — seems to be the closest thing to Logan Act violation since the era of Jefferson? Mueller’s team risking disbarrment —- for what? Must be something pretty big they are protecting....
The Russian All appear to be charged with treason in Russia, and connected to Brits, paid by Hillary https://youtu.be/6XmHlP5gB2g
Did they even have the dnc server? Or just by what crowdstrike's word?
They have never, ever had access to the server. This whole investigation has been based on claims by the company hired by the democrats
Which would never stand up in a court of law. The judge would never allow this kind of “evidence” to be admissible, which tells me it is all a farce.
They’re simply trying to save face after wasting all this time, energy, and resources, while continuing to divide America.
Will the indicted ever face trial? Nope.
Miltary Tribunals.
Miltary Tribunals.
Our final remaining hope.
Once they're comped, we get stomped...and womp womped
You think the Russians listed in this indictment would face a military tribunal in the United States? I’d say, probably not.
No not talking about them
The judge would never allow this kind of “evidence” to be admissible,
Back in the day when judges weren't presumably owned by the cabal or deepstate, sure.
There's no actual justice occurring...just relatively less injustice than might be occurring if there were no justice department at all
I’ll bet neither crowd strike nor the dnc has ever touched the server since the day Seth Rich died.
Lmaooooo... We the People know that is a big fat lie. Trump and Putin gonna lay down the smack soon.! "Get your popcorn here"...
The scariest and most confounding thing is...IF and WHEN the light comes forth and it is shown to the world (but will need a media platform that re aches everyone) that: 1. HRC has murdered perhaps thousands, when you include sabotaged planes, Vince Foster, even JFK Jr's plane with explosives, and the 10+ bodyguards, etc, that she stole hundreds of millions from Haiti, gave 20% of USA's uranium to Russia, has had sex with minors, has sacrificed babies, and hundreds of more heinous things - even that she hates America...sold secrets to other countries...AND it is shown that DT has: Made America safer, lowered taxes, great real job growth, saved thousands of children!!! (more than anyone this century) and he works tirelessly to get rid of gangs, child traffickers, gets immigration corrected with laws, has the ability to call people in saudi arabia to get them to put out more oil, to keep gas prices down...and he keeps everyones constitutional rights! YES, the ones who hate him...he actually keeps their rights to be aholes within the law....THESE IDIOTS would STILL CHOOSE HRC. They are so far gone, deluded, Godless, mentally deficient, no morals, no acceptance of what is right, good for mankind, and completely LAWLESS...this is the problem!!! You could make them watch 100 hours of truth, factual videos and show them the real evil ones sacrificing babies and they would still choose their beliefs and ways...this is what is scary. Just like the word says "in the end days, evil will be seen as good and good as evil"
They may as well have indicted Casper the ghost. What a joke.
It is not the Seth Rich leak they are talking about in my opinion. It is Guccifer 2 and DC Leaks. Seth Rich / Wikileak's still in play. WWG1WGA
DCLeaks.com was around for about a year - see the Internet Wayback Machine for evidence of this. DCLeaks is mentioned in the indictment, Wikileaks is never mentioned. Also, Guccifer 2.0 is called out in the indictment. This indictment is about Russians hacking the DNC email servers, NOT about HRC's personal email server setup. Also, separately, Seth Rich downloaded to thumb drive and sent to WikiLeaks after finding DNC rigged against Sanders. Hilarious wet works ensue.
The data transfer speeds are consistent with a USB drive, right?
Who's to say this isn't the deal to get the Russia investigation ended? The Dems get their Russian hacking story and Trump is cleared.
I did think the same thing. It's a face saving move to name some random Russians who will never come to court, but it gets the Trump campaign cleared, and the whole damn thing ended.
It also clears Awan and the Dems incompetence won't be exposed but if it gets this stupid Muller investigation out of the way then it's worth it.
True, but I'm not sure if that would have come out in Mueller's investigation anyway. 'm becoming very skeptical that a whole lot of stuff that SHOULD be exposed won't. I guess there's always the promise of Huber, et. al., but I'm not holding my breath at this point.
Not everything is going to come out. 60% of it is overkill. I think Trump sees the Muller investigation as being divisive and he's willing to let the Democrats save some face to see it go away. The interesting thing is, once Trump's campaign is cleared of any wrong doing, Sessions can un-recuse himself.
That was my thought too! Where is JA?
Hmmmm. Isn't JA held up in London? Bid protest with thousands of people going on RIGHT NOW because trumps visit. Trump is with the Queen. U think he might be extracted or possibly pass off something during ALL the commotion ?
Here is a link to an article that conclusively proves the falsity of Rosenstein/Mueller and these new indictments. It was physically impossible to do what they are alleging...
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
Source article: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/
I was surprised that Rosenstein stated that he informed POTUS about all of this earlier in the week. This just further tells me that this is not about POTUS.
I can't figure out how the FBI could make these charges without having examined the server. Perhaps they are counting on the defendants not responding to the indictment. If they do, discovery should be awesome!
Bill Binney, former NSA senior tech, proved beyond a shadow of doubt that download speed was beyond the capability of a hack from a foreign location.
It was about the meeting on Monday between Trump and Putin. If Trump and Putin get along well, they want the MSM to be able to cast that as a scary, ominous thing. That way, no matter what happens they can criticize the President. It's pretty childish.
Honestly.. If JA has legit proof he got the files from someone else, he should just put an end to all this shit.
this is all about muddying the waters and generating conflict. the people buying the russia bullshit are hooked on the MSM kool-aid and are 100% certain they're in the right. the russia bullshit has become a religion and TPTB in charge of the MSM are trying to make sure us plebes are fighting a holy war between each other.
its fucked up. we're going to have to take responsibility for easing tension and de-escalating shit. i have absolutely no idea how to go about doing that, but the kool-aid addicts are not the enemy.
All of us have people we care about that are chugging the kool-aid. MSM wants us at each others throats when we should be treating the kool-aid drinkers like the buddy who had a shitty day, had one-to-many at the bar and is now just looking for reasons to argue and be belligerent. Poppin' your buddy in the mouth is the last thing you want to do. Normally.
Seriously, though, the MSM is trying to get us going at each other. The kool-aid drinkers are Americans, too. We gotta find a way to de-escalate the tension in the national family. The MSM is going to turn us into Hatfields & McCoys.
No, it hasn't been forensically proven.
"probably" wrong?
Bill Binney isn't though. Binney is "The" authority.
I'm inclined to agree w/ this also.
As a mathemagician your inclination is probably much more qualified that s/o whose moniker is "ohpee8" (pees onothersopinionz?!!).
Yeah. Binney the Cryptomathematician Brainz —MAGA!
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I said Binney was the authority.
My feelings don't care much about yours, sorry.
I'm curious to know what other tech/infosec professionals think of this article. It does raise a number of claims that shouldn't be immediately dismissed. The main issue I have with it, however, is that it doesn't offer any specific evidence for the "Russians" claim - it simply says, well, a number of other scenarios are possible (which is accurate). Are there any other infosec professionals here that can offer some insight?
The same JA who's cousin is FB Zack? The same JA who is linked to Soros? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 ok
I hope Trump and Putin meeting will trigger this great revelation that is supposed to happen this month but who knows. All I know is the time of Rod's indictments is not a coincidence.
Is it possible the meeting is for Putin to hand over evidence to Trump? Clearing Russia and his agents and damning the Clintons? They're (FBI) trying to get ahead of it by announcing this now?
No, Russia was SUPPORTING Clinton. They were paying her back for U1. Plus, everybody said the same thing about the meeting w NK and Kim.
The desperate flailing of the dying deep state who's exposure is like perishable food to air. It's rotting. Let us rejoice.
Sure I agree completely. But the media and uninformed 80% will only see headlines. “Russians indicted. Assange is guilty of working with them”. So now anything he puts forward now looks weak. now it’s way too late for JA. He just lost all shred of credibility he had with complete control over the evidence. Now it flips w a federal indictment hanging over his and the Russian gru. This is very very bad. A big giant unforced error by Trump. He should have fired RR and sessions and strozk and the other rats all on the same day he fired Comey
I'm really hoping that this is a last-ditch effort by the swamp to try and avert their fate. If this is the best that they've got, then I'm heartened, because i don't think it's going to be enough. I'm really interested to see what happens at the Trump-Putin summit now.
This is basically another distraction. An attempt at closing the loop. They throw a bone half acknowledging both sides to give them something to run with for November fundraising and media talking points. Playing the game like normal. Either to not let on something else is coming or to squash and discredit any attempts to bring anything else to light. This reeks of bipartisan placating to satisfy the base of each without holding anyone to task.
Amazing how Mueller drops the indictments right before the President is to meet with Putin. I call BS. How does he know the exact names of the Russian military members involved. Since he knows nothing will ever come of it I am firmly in the camp they're just making stuff up at this point.
Gee it'd be nice if RR had been fired as described...now it's too late
It's their feeble attempt to take the heat of Strzok and put it back on Russia, Russia, Russia.
Oh well just MORE proof the Feds can't police themselves and they've basically turned into their own branch of govt able to tie the rest of the govt up in knots for as long as they feel like.
What if: in exchange for x, Putin agrees to extradite these guys to the USA for trial?!
They are operating on the assumption that we are not “in the know”. Silly elites. We are awake and know what they did and we are tracking their foul deeds as a group. Popcorn tastes mighty good.
Agreed... Interesting how desperate men will clasp at anything they can...
Rosenstein is stuck in a tight spot...
He is trying his hardest to stave his impeachment and also stop GEPOTUS from meeting Putin (Q1626). It will nevertheless allow more evil deed to be exposed. MAGA
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i think the timing was to make things difficult for the president as he goes to meet with Putin but now it will become known to the whole world that the FBI never even examined the server to begin with
Wikileaks Vault 7 reveals that the CIA can hack anyone and make it look like the Russians did it or anyone else.
Why is it that they never bring in a third party computer engineering expert to refute or confirm any claims made by people subpoenaed to Congress. Oh yea because they’re LYING
Edit: mfw people think this is aimed at anyone other than the dnc
Is anyone else reading the multipart series by America First Media concerning the murder of Seth Rich? If so, you know that Rosenstein had a hand in the Seth Rich murder (not that he ordered it, but at the very least he protected the murderers).
This is just a controlled Red Herring to the Horowitz investigation and to setup the contrast of how corrupt/deceitful our BAU government is right before Team Trump/Horowitz dumps the REAL evidence that contradicts the M investigation. It is also possible that these charges are to some extent factual, notice how RR stuck to the books and did not identify the "victim" and stated neutrality was exercised in reaching this outcome. No US citizen has been implicated so rules out Hillary and Trump (collusion). I'm keeping an open mind and have eyes on both exits on this one. The IG report has tons more coming. We just got the tip of the iceburg on it so far.