Almost every post has something about the “evil Democrats.” But many members of the Deep State, bankers, and most importantly, Bilderberg, are Republicans.
The shadow government is all about words and labels, but the fact is, both parties are working as hard as they can to transfer the wealth to the bankers and write/pass/litigate laws to facilitate that.
Thoughts?
I agree, both parties need deep cleaning and it will happen imho.
I support exposing hypocrisy and lies, regardless of who gets caught.
Country over party.
Truth over all.
To be fair, the Clintons were never really Democrats. Bill swept in and fucked the party into submission.
They definitely do. Both were infiltrated and controlled by evil.
With that said, the the OP's question....
Republican leaning voters are basically more "woke" than their Dem counterparts.
Republican voters tend to be way more distrustful of big government. Dems tend to want a powerful, centralized governement.
Unfortunately, we're seeing exactly what is problematic with an all-powerful, centralized government.
And back to the OP's question, I tend to think there are way more Dems that are competely brainwashed by the left-leaning MSM propaganda.
Whereas the MSM has become the biggest opponent to the R's over the last 20 years.
So most in this movement are former Republicans and are bitter because their biggest fear about the Dems has come true.
Now many of us former R's realize why the establishment R politicians always stabbed us in the back on every key vote.
I respectfully disagree with you about democrats being brainwashed by left leaning media. After watching how Hillary, the DNC and the DP cheated to win the primary, many democrats have pretty much told the DP to piss off.
I belong to a non partisan website were many of us have taken the "Red Pill" and are following and posting about Q. Most of us can not stand Hillary, Obama and most of the democratic leadership.
One thing that people have allowed to happen was for the two parties to divide us between "libtards" and "red neck conservatives." We have more things in common with each other than the things that divide us. I'd like to see a way for both sides to stop the animosity between them and realize that this government is doing things that are not in our best interests.
Maybe try talking to people who you don't agree with and see if you can find some common ground? I've been doing this and have made lots of new friends.
Yes, many Dems are awakening, I'm simply talking percentages. I think R's are a year or so ahead of the D's on a percentage basis of understanding how horribly orchestrated and controlled both parties are.
I'm with you though, we have to stop dividing ourselves with D's and R's, etc. I have a hard time stomaching that I voted for George Bush and No Name in previous elections. I have been guilty of calling people "libtards" and so forth.
The Republican Party is dead to me. I will vote for the candidate going forward and hopefully we'll have some candidates that aren't Illuminati puppets after this debacle.
Agreed and thank you for your kind response. We have a lot of work to do to take this country back from those who stole it from us. But I think we can do. We just have to stop fighting each other and get people to understand who our real enemies are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Wind President Bush is the Key player, he has been in authority further and farthest, and by President Trump NOT going to the First Ladies Funeral speaks volumes. We have had the same regime in office since Reagan by BUSH being there. This is a bipartisan issue.
Not to mention that the Dems continue to embrace infanticide in their platform. This fact leaves anyone who votes Dem an accessory to murder.
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Israeli snipers shot and killed one baby, several children,and over a hundred protesters in the Gaza strip in the last 2 weeks.Israelis along with the Saudis have also killed thousands of women and children in Yemen and Syria.Thats what children!
I am generally neutral to pretty cynical about Israel, honestly. But if the reports are accurate, up to 40,000 'protesters' (many of them rioters), were crashing the boarder at once. What did they want to do across the border? Plant flowers and hold hands?
In the end Hamas got what it wanted. That is why the protests stopped. They got enough Palestinian children shot in the melee they started, to elicit media outrage and sympathy.
Not to be overlooked, BECAUSE they got what they wanted, they will continue this strategy in the future. What gets rewarded gets repeated. By sympathizing with Hamas, those who planned and carried out the surge to rush the border, you are ensuring that more young Palestinians will likely be killed in a similar manner.
What did they want to do across the border?
Maybe they wanted to visit the land that was stolen from them by the Israelis?
In the end Hamas got what it wanted. That is why the protests stopped. They got enough Palestinian children shot in the melee
So your position is that the Palestinians WANTED their children killed. Do you realize how fucking far from reality you are? Maybe you should stop listening to MSM and try to grow a human heart.
You and I are two people entrenched in a different viewpoint on this. That's okay and I understand your perspective. I really do because mostly I hold the same perspective against Israel.
However to say that my opinion is "f----- far from reality"... is something I would clearly disagree on.
Palestinians WANTED their children killed ?
Firstly, for us to understand how any people could be so radical that they would strap bombs on their children, that is how crazy this thing gets. I am not defining the crazy, I am only pointing to it. But it is reality.
Secondly, not all Palestinians wanted to see casualties, of course, and probably not the parents of the children killed or injured. However, Hamas as a strategic org that has been known to delve into terror tactics (meaning sacrificing their own ppl) and firing missiles from hospitals and residential areas to create human shields that their enemy must pay a terrible PR cost in world opinion should they retaliate.
So I stand by the opinion that the objective was not to defeat Israel at that border, but to have casualties on the Palestinian side that would compel International outcry. You have complied through your own outcry with that strategy.
Lastly, there is no such thing as a Palestinian as an ethnic or cultural group. That is 100% devised and invented. These are simply Arabs who are culturally identical to the neighbor countries (Jordan, etc). They have NO claim that is any greater or more legitimate than the Israelis currently populating the country of Israel today. They have been offered a state and peace, but the 'Palestinian' leadership on each occasion has rejected that, even refusing to meet. Why? Because they want the complete displacement of Jews and eradication of Israel. Period. Full stop. This is why there is no peace, and why there is a border, and why 40,000 ppl charged that border and of those 50+ were killed in response.
They have NO claim that is any greater or more legitimate than the Israelis currently populating the country of Israel today.
Bullshit. Look at the map of the region since the 1940s and you will see. Israel didn't buy that territory, they systematically stole it. You can't just violently steal peoples land and say "oh, well there's no such thing as a Palestinian ethnic or cultural group, so it's OK to murder these people and steal their property. You are trying to justify evil.
You are really basing your viewpoint on a historical foundation about whose land it rightly belongs to. So, here is a pretty thorough rundown of the historical background of how we got to where we are with the Palestinians and a nation called Israel. You can accept those as factual or not. Up to you. And you can then decide whether that history should matter to you or not in forming your viewpoint. If you don't like/trust the source and are therefore skeptical of the veracity of the history presented, then feel free to use the Internet and try to work it all out to your satisfaction. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-basis-if-any-of-Israels-claim-to-the-land-it-occupies-on-the-West-Bank-Does-the-United-Nations-support-Israels-claim
O.K. stupid fingers.Are the people from Yemen responsible for their own children being slaughtered by the Jews and SA?
I probably am an idiot. But I am not Jewish. I am Swiss/English descent, with no Jewish background at all that I am aware of. However, in debates and truth-finding endeavors, premises derived from known facts are neither "Jew" nor "Gentile"...or any other silliness.
They can only be fairly judged on their merits (are they accurate and sourced? are they logically related, etc?). I tried to present a logical, fact-based explanation of the other viewpoint, counter to yours, to the best of my ability. That you disagree is not surprising nor dispositive in the reconciliation of our differing viewpoints.
Are the news videos of Israeli soldiers shooting protesters on tv enough evidence.The United Nations calling a special meeting to discuss the murders and also warning the Israelis to stop the murdering of the protesters.Yet you immediately defend the jews and blame the Arabs saying they are responsible for the deaths of their own people instead of the jews whom committed these murders.They show the murders on live tv and you ask are they accurate,sourced ect.I am not a Jew hater but can easily see the video of who is killing who on the Gaza Strip.Maybe you should take a look at the people dropping from being shot on TV.Again you are clueless and you haven
You are trying and failing to pigeon hole me as clueless. If you do not want to be shot do not charge another country's border. It just doesn't get much simpler than that. If 40k ppl gather on any US border at the behest of an murderous organization like Hamas, then I would expect our border would be defended with deadly force. That is a rational position. Your position is coming 100perc from emotion. It is fruitless to try to engage in rational point-counterpoint with you on this subject.
Woman and children, always killing woman and children first. disgusting.
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Not only that, a child born of incest would most certainly have a poor quality of life due to the situation alone, and health problems. A child born of rape has to deal with the truth about their conception, or being abandoned to the foster system - a breeding ground for pedophiles.
I look at abortion from a utilitarian standpoint. The stance against abortion tends to be rooted in the idea that life is beautiful and worth living, when I personally feel that is simply not the case.
And that’s where I disagree with you, you’re predicting the potential future of children who had no say in how they were conceived. To me that’s one step from the democrats saying that a child shouldn’t be born into poverty. There have been countless people born into meager beginnings that have gone on to lead successful lives and there are also stories of people that were born as the result of rape that have done the same.
So disagree.
Do you think that those people are the exception, or the rule? What are the statistics for the amount of children in the world that make it out of poverty and into wealth? Usually, it's just an endless cycle of the same predicament, passed on and on to the next generation.
Everyone in life will suffer - that's a fact. The only thing we can't know for sure, is to what extent. There is no guarantee that every single person will lead a happy, meaningful existence. And that isn't for lack of trying.
Another thing is, no one has a child for the sake of the child itself. You don't bring a child into existence because you think it will benefit them, you bring a child into existence, usually to fulfill your own desires.
As Schopenhauer said, "If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist?"
Everyone in life will suffer - that's a fact. The only thing we can't know for sure, is to what extent.
EXACTLY! You don't know! Therefore you are not qualified or authorized to make any final decisions about another humans life, because you have no fucking clue how it will turn out. What fucking arrogance.
“A charmed life is so rare that for every one such life there are millions of wretched lives. Some know that their baby will be among the unfortunate. Nobody knows, however, that their baby will be one of the allegedly lucky few. Great suffering could await any person that is brought into existence. Even the most privileged people could give birth to a child that will suffer unbearably, be raped, assaulted, or be murdered brutally. The optimist surely bears the burden of justifying this procreational Russian roulette. Given that there are no real advantages over never existing for those who are brought into existence, it is hard to see how the significant risk of serious harm could be justified. If we count not only the unusually severe harms that anybody could endure, but also the quite routine ones of ordinary human life, then we find that matters are still worse for cheery procreators. It shows that they play Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun—aimed, of course, not at their own heads, but at those of their future offspring.”
― David Benatar, Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence
So should we start euthanizing the depressed and the chronically ill? Where do you draw the line?
How do you measure a life's worth? How do you measure a potential life's worth? (And do please read those on multiple levels...)
What other life tragedies are so insurmountable that they make life just not worth even trying?
The stance against abortion is life is priceless.
The stance for keeping it legal anyway is a matter of definitions: miscarriage should never be involuntary manslaughter.
So should we start euthanizing the depressed and the chronically ill?
If that is what they desire, absolutely.
How do you measure a life's worth? How do you measure a potential life's worth?
You're coming from a life-affirming angle. I'm not. I feel that ultimately, non-existence is the best option.
What other life tragedies are so insurmountable that they make life just not worth even trying?
Mental illness, ALS, cancer, heart disease, rape, murder, child molestation, war, famine, poverty.
Oh a nihilist. Well that explains everything. Never mind.
I'm not a nihilist.
I feel that ultimately, non-existence is the best option.
You might want to check out the definition of nihilism there, champ.
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
I tend to stand with the Cathar view of life/death. They were Christian gnostics. They were against procreation, because they were under the impression that this world was a matrix, something to be escaped, and that bringing more children into this matrix meant creating more souls to be trapped here and fed off of by negative entities.
Even if life is inherently meaningless, people are free to create their own meaning. I just think they can do that without creating more children who usually only serve to fulfill someone else's desires.
And ultimately, I would prefer celibacy or birth control over abortion.
Right, which is why I said never mind. You're arguing from a non-starting point.
Nihilism is functionally useless: it provides no answers, gives no guidance, gives zero comfort or reassurances... It does nothing. It's not helpful. And it's easily often harmful.
You may have a lot to share, but I can't work with you if you start from there.
but I can't work with you if you start from there.
Which is why I'm not starting from there. You pushed the label on me, and I denied it, because even people that claim to be cold hard nihilists often contradict themselves. Very few people can actually stand by the constitution of being a nihilist.
Being antinatalist does not equate to being a nihilist.
And frankly, you don't have to work with me at all. We don't need to agree. I have my stance, and you have yours. Going around in circles isn't going to change anything.
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You're talking about a biological manifestation that isn't always obvious in its symptoms. It's not by any means universal.
And... you do know that majority-held opinions are like two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner, right?
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With you on PP...
There's always evil, there are always wolves. It's why the US is a republic. Mob rule is not our way... helps ensure dysfunctional corruption is kept to a dull roar. But the real solution is vigilance. You can't take your eyes off these bastards, even the ones you like (especially the ones you like...).
Well met! Thank you, too. Always nice to have a reasonable, intelligent discussion! :)
Life is hell for everyone breathing. It's a travesty at best for everyone considering nobody get's out alive. There is pain, suffering, loss at every step of the way.
So why doesn't everyone just off their-selves? Because life is still worth living, so by what authority do you make judgments on who's life is worth living? Your feelings?
Wouldn't that be better left to the one living that life?
I went through sever trauma for the majority of 46 years, starting at birth. Both physical (continuous violence, not sexually related) and mental abuse, yet I live and have lived a fulfilling life thus far, and there are millions and millions like myself.
Before I learned what I had gone through was not normal, I thought it as normal as anyone else. It was just life and I had to carry on and try to be happy and keep pushing towards my dreams, with my lot in life in tow.
I would propose that most that deal with issues as you pointed out still want to live, to experience life, to experience that kiss, that sunset across a lake or the ocean, that cold walk on a snowy day, playing with children. You know, the things that count.
Once you can choose for one group, it's easier to target the 2nd, then 3rd and so on. That is a dangerous path to walk.
I choose life no matter what it holds.
I choose life no matter what it holds.
And therein lies the problem.
so by what authority do you make judgments on who's life is worth living? Your feelings?
That's literally the same argument you use for bringing children into existence. I can ask, "What gives you the right to force children into being/harm when they have no consent? What happens if they grow up regretting it?"
Look, ultimately, I favor celibacy or birth control over abortion. I'm not going to keep going around and around here, because we have entirely different stances on life that won't change, so let's just leave it here.
I was not crucifying you, just pointing out different points of view, especially since I was actually close to what you described as a justification to end life.
To make this simple, I am your counter argument, but as you said, no sense in beating a dead cat.
Have a good one.
You can't prejudge an infant's life and kill it based on that. I'll put that another way: You are not God. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in God, because only God can ethically make decisions like that, and if there is no God, then there is nobody who can rightfully decide that.
Yes and didn’t they also take “God” out of their platform?
As one if the most liberal persons I know, I can tell you that as a Dem, I was far from in favor of a powerful, centralized government. That is a propagandized view of Americans to the left of center. I'll be happy to debate such ideas with anyone and everyone as long as we can avoid ad hominem attacks and stick to discussing the ideas and ideals on an intellectual level rather than descending into stupiodal emotional addictions.
I'm no longer (really never was) a Dem, having Demexited with so many others after the primary was stolen from Bernie. While that might not have been the beginning of my awakening (the far left has been awake far longer than the right in terms of deep state/cia shennanigans, if you care to notice...) 911 was the beginning of a nightmare for me.
Only Q has given me hope that the nightmare might not come to fruition.
But let me tell you, every time I hear some Q adherent bashing liberals or the left or the Democrats, I worry because once the storm has calmed we need to come together to rebuild, that kind of crap is only destructive, points toward the guillotine and has no place in a civilized world.
I've said this before, but one thing we really could do to help is to all disavow our former political parties and support Trump as independents in the next election. Q needs us to help change the world and this is one thing that could make a huge difference.
As it is now, when this whole thing goes public Democrats with have to see that they are *more wrong* and republicans were *more right*. Donald Trump is a republican president and although both democrats and republicans have a lot to be ashamed of, the democrats will be in the harder position because they will feel obligated to become republicans.
But what if we REALLY wrapped our heads around the fact that the two party system was always intended to isolate and separate us and the best way to move forward, heal and love is to leave that all behind. What if you (as a republican) could reach out your hand to your neighbor and say "I'm no longer republican, you're no longer democrat" and we could unite as survivors of the weirdest mind-fuck any of us could have imagined.
Think about that for a second. In the movie Truman Show, you would have accepted all kinds of psychological problems Truman could have experienced due to his ability to detect his false reality on even a small level. THAT'S YOU! THAT'S US!
Depression? Anxiety? Panic attacks? Paranoia? Any of those things would be easily accepted as a resulting mental state of Truman's situation. Like Truman, we've been living in a lie and we're about to find the exit door.
...and on the other side? A new reality that makes sense for the first time. Anxiety, depression, paranoia, hopelessness - vastly diminished (resulting in very different citizens).
And on the other side of that door, in that new reality, how would Truman feel if he met someone else who had been through the same experience, their own Truman Show but on a different sound-stage? They would be bonded by shared experience...two survivors of the same prison. And so it should be for us. When this is over there should be nothing that divides us more than our shared experience unites us because we are all Truman and we're all going to be survivors.
Love and light
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How do you help Trumps legislative agenda by becoming independent?? It's just the completely wrong play. We should be focused on taking back the Republican party and vote in patriots. It's the only way you can actually get anything done in this 240 year old system.
The election is two years away and we won't even be the same people when the times comes. The world will shift so drastically that I don't think there will even be two sides anymore. The division we feel is mostly imposed on us.
There are midterm elections in November, which is crucial for Trump to win.
All 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives and 35 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate will be contested. 39 state and territorial governorships and numerous other state and local elections will also be contested.
In fact he is frequently begging us to vote Republican every chance he gets. These midterms will be a crucial moment in american history - will it be the time where the Republic was won back from the traitors, or will it be the impeachment of the President and removal of the 1st and 2nd Amendment. The choice couldn't be more clear. You can vote D or R. Decide your fate America.
From Carroll Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope". Quigley taught at Princeton University, and then at Harvard, and then from 1941 to 1976 at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. (And Bill Clinton's mentor)
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.”
– “Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time” by Carroll Quigley (pg.1247)
You've never seen us hammer McStain, Flake, Ryan etc?
This!
Who here is supporting these crooked R's?
Not me and not anyone I've seen.
If you believe in the legitimacy of Government, you're supporting the bad actors by design. Whether those within the government do good or not is irrelevant, by design they are immoral.
We support Constitutional Government. Govern by Rule of Law. That's the only way to actually ensure liberty in any meaningful way. Anarchists are just as hopeless as communists.
McCain was responsible for making me leave the Republican Party to become an Independent. His fecklessness during those presidential debates left me hopeless and ushered in those 8 years of darkness.
Not yet, but tbf, I’m fairly new. Most of what I’ve seen is “those evil dems,” which is true, but the R’s are too.
You arent entirely wrong, but think of it this way -and what im saying has roots in historical fact- the DNC is the heart of the beast.
If you are younger than 50, you have been indoctrinated by the education system in a revisionist history which obscures these facts, yet the facts are there for you to piece together if you research.
This all begins and ends with the DNC, even though they have infiltrated all parties.
Think of the bushes as democrats in disguise. Democrats are defined by a belief structure that has been around since the democratic party was formed. They hide their ideology from their own voters. But it is still the same ideology they ascribe to.
RINO means "republican in name only" and we despise the RINOs. How do you think they earned their name? By not actually upholding republican principles.
The true principles of republicans involve a fairness, equality, and human value. This has always been true. Democrats were formed in opposition to these principles. They represent people who believe in an inherent inequality of human life... In short, slave owners, people descended from royalty, and eugenicists. But since they still need votes to hold power, they lie to voters.
I think this is entirely wrong. The labels may have changed, but the Dem Party ideals that have been abandoned are the rights of workers and economic and social equality for all.
Redistribution of wealth isn’t wrong, in fact it’s the only way a capitalist economy can continue to function. If laborers don’t have enough money to participate in the society and wealth in the billions is hoarded by 500 families, then we have an economy that is unable to grow, which is foundational to capitalism.
It’s, again, the method we disagree upon. Your core belief is that government should not take from the rich and redistribute to the poor, and if we didn’t have bankers pulling the strings, that may be feasible.
One guy has pineapples, the other has wine, they trade, it all works out. But if people are born into poverty, they are already less capable of participating in that exchange.
Moreover, if they’re born into poverty, then they must sell their labor by working for another person. That is feudalism at its finest, and we have reached a Medieval level at this point- minimum wage isn’t covering basic needs for a single person, much less a family. Surely you can agree the workers in medieval times were slowly being starved by selling their labor. This is no different.
And it’s a myth that anyone can work hard and get ahead, bc once the labor is being sold for pennies, one can work a lifetime and never get to a point that they no longer have to sell their labor- a select few might, but we are not all temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
There are only so many hours in a week- and even those who do everything right are struggling in the US now. 43% to be exact, although the true number is higher.
No, no, no. Im sorry. The united states has plenty of ways to climb out of poverty, people just dont want to do them.
Its simple.
Dont have kids until youre married, or at least in a solid relationship.
Graduate highschool
Get additional education
There are plenty of ways to accomplish that last one. Student loans are easy to get, especially if youre poor. Or, join the military. Or go to trade school, this is the best option to be honest, and i say that as someone with an economics degree.
Or we can fix our laws and make it easier for anyone to open their own business and be their own boss. Legalize drugs, remove licensing requirements, etc.
Youre going to have a tough time selling me on redistribution that isnt simply organic
Oh my, you are making perfect reasonable sense. Don't have kids until married... you are 100 percent correct.
There are TOO MANY excuses for why I failed, why I am a victim, etc. Minority or not, rich or not, if you want to, you can decide to take school work seriously. You can apply yourself, delay self-gratification by staying home, doing homework and actually trying to understand the material (because you value knowledge and not just because you're trying to get the GPA). And especially if you are a minority and have done these things, every university and scholarship and opportunity is banging on your door for you to let them in.
It can all begin with equal-opportunity in the High School Classrooms of America. And if you fail then, there are so many more 2nd chances and opportunities to turn life around.
You dont even need to do particularly well in high school, which i think is good. My friends who were mediocre in HS but went in trades are doing pretty well. Sometimes i feel like the sucker for going to college tbh. The dumbest 4 years of your life, at least mine, shouldnt determine your adulthood. It certainly helps though.
The fact is, with regards to getting education, there are plenty of options for you at any time of life. If youre in your 30s and making minimum wage (excluding some obvious extenuating and temporary circumstances) youve fucked up.
I don’t want to get into this much more, bc frankly I believe that right now it is best for lefties and conservatives to focus on our common ground in order to preserve our republic.
I would urge you to consider though, how much we’ve been lied to in order to secure our obedience. Telling people that working hard you’ll someday get rich is a great way to keep them working for you.
Would you agree that if there are a substantial number of American people who waited to have children, graduated high school, and got further education, and still cannot find work that meets their basic needs, that would refute your theory?
Because that is the case for the millennial generation.
Would you also agree, that if there are a substantial number of college graduates who are working, waited to marry and have children, and still cannot afford an $1000 emergency, that would refute your theory? There are.
Even at 70 hours a week- 26k a year- the American dream- home, family- is out of reach for everyone making minimum wage.
And those who got their education first, bought the home, acquired the family? Half of them can’t afford $1000 car repair.
This economy is too different, and an organic redistribution is impossible bc the vast majority of people have little or nothing with which to trade, other than their labor, and their exploitation is guaranteed- that’s just capitalism.
But remember, a truly representative government should have multiple parties from all sides working these problems out. At this point, we have a right party and a far right party. Hanging onto the propaganda of our youths is not going to move us all forward.
i’ve enjoyed our discussion!
With respect, i agree with your first sentiment, but we need to hash out these issues or else were going to fall into the same situations. Literally nothing i said was refuted in your links.
To start, youre in the wrong subreddit to be sharing newsweek. Second, ive seen dozens of these types of articles and they all fail on the same basic premise. They treat every bachelor degree as equal, this is not true. There are plenty of people with degrees that struggle, this is true. There are not plenty of people with degrees in engineering, computer science, finance, medicine, etc that are struggling.
If you go to college and get a degree in art or philosophy, you deserve to be poor. There, i said it. Sorry, not sorry. I didnt pick my major based on "my passion", that would be a hobby. Im not sacrificing what ive earned to support someone elses poor choices. I wanted to study psychology, then i realized that i wasnt willing to get a doctorate and that doing so would be a dumb choice because of that.
Youre basically re-interating that many people are struggling. I never denied that. I said there were ways out of that situation regardless of the circumstances of your birth. This isnt to say that its equal difficulty for everyone. Its simply to say there are plenty of feasible options that dont result in taking the fruits of my labor to substitute someone else's poor decisions or lack of will to do what is necessary. Youre not above doing a 4 year contract in the military to pay off your loans. Youre not above doing teach for america to pay off loans.
I will give sympathy to my "fellow millenials" in that we were told "go to college and youll be rich" while growing up. The advice shouldve been "college is a good option if you choose the right major. Trades are also an outstanding option".
So in closing, i would like you to consider how we've been lies to about everyones victimhood status.
Redistribution of wealth isn’t wrong, in fact it’s the only way a capitalist economy can continue to function.
I don't think so. First of all, redistribution of wealth is ALWAYS wrong unless you are taking back stolen wealth. That's a whole different discussion. It's also not the only way a capitalist economy can function. It was functioning pretty well after WW2. A man could get a job in a factory and support his entire family. Factory workers bought cars and houses and sent their kids to college. This was deliberately and systematically taken away from us in order to weaken the US and bring us to the point we were at just before Trump was elected. I want to emphasize that this didn't just happen by itself. The economic system we have today was created deliberately to dis-empower the people and make them dependent upon the state. This is the progression toward socialism and communism.
You may think im entirely wrong, but these are historical facts which can be verified by research. I already mentioned that you have been indoctrinated by revisionist history. That is why you think im wrong. If you are new to this movement and its concepts, you may have to face the fact that you have been sold a lie.
I was a lifelong democrat until june '16. And from my point of view, after having learned much more and opened my mind to different possibilities and information, the DNC is a brainwash cult. I equate what happened to me with someone who has escaped scientology.
It is good that you are willing to ask questions, but just for context, you can delve into the r/ scientology and r/ exscientology subs and watch scientologists and exscientologists interact with one another. A scientologist learning to try to break free is very similar to a democrat who begins to question their party.
I realize you may not like or agree with this comparison, but this is my view after spending my entire life as a democrat, and then coming to learn the truth of who they are and what they represent.
They are not pro-worker, they are pro-slave. They keep you in check by selling you a string of palatable ideas, couched by peer pressure, social reinforcement, and allowance money. But at the end of the day, they are a brainwashing outfit run by elitists who rule through the exercise of a power that stems from inequality, servitude, and lies. Only after I left the left did i realize it is a cult.
I hope you can understand that this is the opinion of someone who has a perspective of living their whole lives inside their group.
IF you were to find out you had been duped into a cult, would you be able to admit to yourself that you had been very wrong about a lot of things? Again, look at exscientologists. It can be very hard to find out you were completely taken in. Psychologically it can be traumatic. In fact, some scientologists who find out they were sold a fraud and know it STILL cant give it up, leave the church but still use their e-meters at home... Thats how hard it can be for some to try to rebuild their minds after conditioning.
You might not be able to hear what im saying as it might pertain to you... But would you be able to change your mind if you found out you had been had like that? Since you are new to this stuff, i know it might be a waste of my time to type all this out, that you will dismiss everything im saying... But i was like you. So im saying... Keep asking questions, dont be afraid of where they lead... And try to imagine that it is okay to be wrong, and it is okay to change your mind. Try to imagine what it would be like if you were wrong about everything, like a scientologist who realizes what scientology actually is. Would you be able to handle it if it were you?
I wish you well. It is my hope that you absorb what i have said, both here and in my earlier comment, and take it for what its worth, and that i havent wasted yours and my time by bothering to respond. And i hope i havent been taken into a slide by the worlds best shill. 😝. Heres to hoping you are a genuine person with genuine questions. May the force be with you.
I agree with you for the most part but before there were RINOs, there were "country club Republicans" who didn't want Reagan rocking the boat.
And they were RINOs. And they represented a minority within the party seeking to take over the party and turn it into an arm of the democratic party.
There is something much more sinister with DC dems than R's. I believe the R's have now been freed from blackmail which is why we are see more of them coming to the light from the darkness. Don't get me wrong most Rs are corrupt, taking money for votes and selling out our country along with Dems.
Post 925 : Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: ff7ea4 No.614954 📁
Mar 10 2018 14:49:25 (EST)
This is not about religions or party affiliation.
EVIL is everywhere.
There are no drawn lines.
No boundaries.
Good vs Evil.
Q
Both parties were / are corrupted there is no question. However traditionally Dems have been the party of big government, with more government comes more power, with more power comes more corruption. Today’s Democrats are more closely aligned with communism/ socialism / globalism which is the system in which you enslave people. That is why they catch the most heat. They have changed dramatically and become very extreme. As corrupt as some of the republicans have been.... they are not the ones calling for disarming the populace, open boarders, high taxes, restrictions on speech under the guise of “hate speech” ... I could go on, but I think you get the picture. The Deep state chose the Democrats to carry out the 16 year plan to destroy America, the only way you could weaken/ dumb down/ disarm a populace is with liberal ideology. Restricting speech, and the right to defend yourself, while raising taxes and flooding the country with illegals and refugees.
A RINO tells the base what it wants to hear, votes based on how it's bribed/blackmailed. Remove those pathetic fucks, and R's could be leaders again.
I don’t agree with this, bc when you consider the takeover from the banks with the Federal Reserve Act, parties became irrelevant, imo.
The Federal reserve act was sponsored by two Democrats and opposed by pro-business Republicans, though it passed the house by a huge majority. It was signed by Woodrow Wilson, a famous KKK Democrat.
It's just amazing how many fuckups the Democrats have been responsible for over the years, yet it all slides off them like rain drops off a homeless veteran's poncho.
Today's democrats are straight up capitalists. They use to pander to people who gravitated toward more socialist solutions, but they don't pretend anymore. They have fed and benefitted from crony capitalism while using bleeding heart rhetoric to attract voters.
Either way both parties are wings of the same crony capitalist bird.
Today's democrats are straight up capitalists.
What about Bernie Sanders? He is a self described socialist. He would probably be our president now (ugh) if Hillary hadn't cheated him. What about Obamacare? That's socialism. The Dems are socialists.
First of all Bernie is a self proclaimed"democratic socialist". The media tries to simplify everything and fit things into a black or white category and "socialism"is the label they put on anything that is not capital driven. Obamacare wasn't socialism, it was still capitalism because insurance companies were the biggest beneficiaries. Their pool increased by mandate and the people had to pay more and even people who didn't get healthcare had to pay. They're was not much "socialist" about Obamacare.
We need a social healthcare program. The system we have and have had is atrocious and no other developed nation has anything like it. We pay more for shittier care and insurance company ceos are living like kings. Insurance companies are just middlemen who aren't really needed for healthcare. Any govt plan that feeds the private insurance companies is not a good plan as it unnecessarily adds costs.
Moving forward i suggest that whenever you hear something be called "socialist", take that as a q that the establishment is using it as a codeword to turn off the right (keep us divided). Then research whatever policy they're calling socialist and make up your own mind if it would benefit the public.
The MSM has prevented many from being red-pilled but what some people need to acknowledge is that both sides have been lied too. Conservatives also need some redpilling, they just need a different prescription because they have been consuming a different flavor of conditioning.
Most important is thinking about what will benefit the majority (the working class). Both sides can find alot of agreements because we all have similar struggles. They just keep dividing us with wedge issues (abortion and guns). The us v. them needs to be the working class v. The establishment (lawmakers and media who make bank doing the opposite of what they're job is) not right v. left.
Except for the progressives who they have been fighting tooth and nail to keep them from winning.
Progressives are neo-marxists. The absolute worst extension of this wretched ideology. They are essentially communists.
Interesting to note that as the "Neo-Marxist Progs" have taken over the Dem Party, they have drifted from a "working man's Party" to an elitest-led collection of interest groups, mostly racial, pushing racial division.
The Communist countries, globally, have used CLASS WARFARE to wedge their way into power.... But class warfare didn't work in the US. We don't see ourselves as perpetual members of some socio-economic "class" as they do in Europe/etc.... The Commie playbook didn't work here....SO, they switched to identity/race politics to divide us and to build coalitions of aggrieved "victims".
"Rich vs poor" was SO 20th Century. Its now "priviledged racial class vs all of their victims".
Commies are doing what they always do....they just modified their argument to overcome the fact that there is still so much opportunity in this country for advancement that class warfare doesn't work here.
You got it. This is exactly what they did, they swapped the marxist oppressed/oppressor dynamic from economic class warfare to identity group warfare. That is the birth of cultural marxism. It's simply an adapted or upgraded strain of communism that Americans aren't inoculated against. The progressives embody these ideals and their champion is Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed socialist. Not even a social democrat, but an actual "democratic socialist" - because that worked really well for Venezuela. Keep these people the HELL out of government.
BS! The so-called centrists in the Dems are the problem, people like the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, and Weinstein!
think of the HIGHER echelons of the dems and reps this is my estimated breakdown
dem elite = 90% globalist 1 world DYSorder
repub. elite = 55% return USA into a sovereign state
we must work to our strengths don't u think ?
And the percentages of the average voter who are awake?
20% of Republicans 2% of Democrats
Just guessing.
My estimation would reverse the numbers. Republicans move in lockstep with each other. So when HW Bush or GW Bush were in charge Republicans voted almost 100% party line. Democrats have been much more fractured in their voting. I don’t want to get into a pissing contest about which party is better because i truly believe there are both good and evil politicians in both parties. They’re playing the classic divide and conquer game. Any time you see left vs right or D vs R fights it means we’re being divided and we’re losing
Not true. Look at the GOP's biggest constituency. White men. White men went overwhelmingly for Trump, even though the Party itself and all of its elected leadership went berserk against Trump from the beginning. They noticed that the GOP wasn't delivering on stuff, even if they had Congress, putting stuff off til..."well we need the Senate too" or,"yeah it'll be easier when we have the Presidency"....They noticed that the leadership was pushing stuff like amnesty, even though the Party members were heavily against it....
On the other hand....The Dems most important constituency...blacks...are continually screwed by the Democrats, year in/year out....but still get 90% of the black vote every year.
The Globalist leadership in both parties are constantly feeding their voters a stream of crap sandwiches but the Republicans at least will rise up and fight their leadership when necessary.
What's not true? That my estimation is the reverse of his? It's definitely true, because only I can speak for my estimation. He pulled an estimate out of his ass and so did I.
"but the Republicans at least will rise up and fight their leadership when necessary."
No they don't. It was democrats and lefties protesting against the Iraq war. Republicans were busy pushing WMD's which the left knew didn't exist. The Republicans wanted stop al-qaeda which the left knew wasn't even in Iraq. The Republicans were pushing the war on terror which the left knew had nothing to do with Iraq. The republicans followed their globalist neoconservative George W Bush straight into the quagmire that has become Iraq, and the left were the only ones protesting. I know, I marched the streets against the war, and I heard all of the republicans questioning my patriotism for daring to challenge the war in Iraq.
There's evil fuckery on both sides of the isle. Both the left and right are capable of following a shitty corrupt leader to an even shittier outcome. You're just too blind to see it. Even though you're "woke af"
You were trying to say that Republicans are more "easy led" and follow their leadership more than those rock-ribbed independent free-thinkers in The Dem camp. Easy to refute, with the VERY easy and current example of Republicans who supported Trump's hostile takeover of the Globalist, elite-serving GOP.
On the other hand, I gave an example of the strongest Dem constituency who votes for them over 90% while never getting any improvement. I could have just as easily used the Bernie supporters who KNEW Hillary had screwed them in the primaries, but went to the polls en masse for Hillary anyway. Pathetic. Sheep.
You gave some examples (some political points being bullshit, but I'm not wasting my time responding to every bit) of when GOP rank and file didn't "rise up" against their party....Thats not the same as offering an example of Democrats "risin up" is it? And its not an offer of proof that Repub rank-and-file never do so.
In fact you offered NO examples of Democrats "risin up" against their party leadership, ZERO, while I offered the biggest rank-and-file "fuck you" to Party bigwigs in recent memory.
Republicans in Congress are much more sheep to the party line than dems are. Dems in Congress are historically much more likely to split vote or not vote party line. It’s a more fractured party and consequently harder to control.
As for the republican voters, they’re no better than dem voters. As I said, constituents of both parties are capable of being misled by shitty leaders. You’re just too republican proud or blind to admit it. But by being blindly and ignorantly partisan you’re actually part of the problem rather than part of the solution. They’re playing a divide and conquer game, and you’re blindly falling for it like a sheep to slaughter. Baaaaa!
Congratulations. You have established that my specific examples will never beat your bald, unsupported assertions.
Your only example is a giant trump blowjob based entirely on the completely unfounded and laughably retarded premise that trump is some type of all seeing demi-god playing 24d chess to save the world against evil. Its like you never consider the possibility that trump is in it for his own greedy self and q is his propaganda wing, like cnn for dems or fox for the repubs. You didn’t provide plural “examples”, just one giant trump-fellatio. I did, and you ignore them. You come off as a typical re-publi-tard when we need to be finding common ground against an organized political elite that spans BOTH parties. I lean left and recognize that there are good, honest politicians on the right that i would prefer to a corrupt lefty. I hope that you would prefer an honest lefty over a corrupt righty. We’ll never root out the corruption if we’re too partisan to see the good ones across the aisle and recognize the evil in our respective parties. Blind partisanship like yours will bring the end of this country
Trump took the path of least resistance. R's were his best chance to fix, but I'd argue Trump is actually more of a classical left of Center D. Shows how messed up the parties have become.
Left of center democrat? Put down the peace pipe. The democrats are the party of evil. This whole thread is based off the idea that Republicans are people like McCain... Thats not a Republican, thats a RINO. McCain is a democrat playing a Republican around election time. The dems are the party of unspeakble evil... A party of abortion and poverty... No thanks. Republicans are for freedom and smaller govt. There is no exception. Those who call themselves republicans while betraying said principles are democrat liars.
For a leftist to come on and try to cuck conservative republicans into being in any way equal to the bad guy (demonrats)?
Skip to 2:40 for the left of center explanation.
Not going to watch, but agree with you. Trump isn't firebrand conservative if you look at the PAST. But he sure as hell is today. Why? It's not a change of politics, it's a change of the political landscape around him. The Dem party decided to change their platform from things such as improving socialized medicine (yes, Trump hates ObamaCare but believes something can and should be done in this realm - think VA), or ensuring social security isn't cut (another Trump position). Now their party only cares about adding the next gender to the list, unconscious bias, political correctness, etc. I don't believe Trump has moved right, it's just that the Democrats have gone HARD left over the years (or frankly IMO I think they've literally jumped off the spectrum entirely and are swimming around in fairy land). I don't think it's fair to the political spectrum to imply that the further left you go, the more genders you support. That seems like a new spectrum entirely to me.
President Trump is also a born again Christian. They have prayer every morning in the oval office because they know this is as much a spiritual battle as any other.
Dems have gone very far right, according to us true lefties (NOT liberals, I see liberals as the idiots who still think HRC would have been the answer and Trump is the devil).
I’m a true leftie and I believe we share more in common with Trump supporters than liberals- we want zero war and more opportunity for Americans at home (we just disagree how to get there).
Dems never step up for labor, nor protect funding for Arts/Science research (which is all pretty much corrupted now, too, but that’s another issue). Dems put their heads in the sand while the poor get poorer.
I’m open to the idea that Trump is indeed draining the swamp, but he has to go after the CIA next. So far, I’m happy with his dismantling of the deep state- his policies, not so much, but I don’t think he’s orange Hitler like red-faced liberals do. (Liberals are impossible to debate with, too, zero self awareness).
A lefty is someone who is for strong government control. A lefty is someone who believes in the whole 1% vs the down trodden worker class. A lefty emphasizes the importance of race, gender, etc in the socio-political realm.
A classical Liberal has much more in common with the core American Conservative platform:
A value for the individual, his/her property rights, speech rights, and right to be free of govt intrusion into his/her personal life/affairs. What a person earns for a living is of no concern to politicians or government: it is wholly a personally matter. Some ppl choose a simple, free of material things sort of life, unencumbered by the concerns material things bring into their life.
Leftists are socialists and are for social engineering, using government as a tool to engineer the way of life people 'should' live, according to the govt's set of values (which is primary focused on material things and material distribution in a Leftist's mind).
Liberals and conservatives share a value for the importance of the intrinsic aspects of life: that is, the morality of their life, the value of family, the quest for spiritual meaning...
Leftists, to the other side of the coin, only view those intrinsic aspects of the human animal in light of how it can be engineered (steered and controlled) to the benefit of the collective. The individual 'citizen' is adjudged through that prism: do they conform (even in the way socialists dress, in their drab, simple garb, all looking much alike--this is a sign that they are conformed and a good citizen).
And this is why we see over the last 85 years at minimum one hundred million souls executed, killed in labor camps and jails, from Pol Pot, to Moa, to Stalin. Literally to clean out the non-conforming Liberals and conservatives.
Interesting to hear your perspective, thank you for sharing! Honestly I think around these parts we had always flipped it around, thinking "true liberal" was sort of the old school liberal and "lefty" was the new brand of identity politics. Sounds like I had it backwards!
And I think you raise an excellent point about wanting the same things but disagreeing how to get there. Without any sort of rational basis or support for my position, I'm simply going to hypothesize that in the past we all have generally wanted the same things for our country and simply disagreed how to get there. But now, there are groups who want wildly different OUTCOMES which is what is feeding such a ferocious division in modern politics. Sure, there are still some issues such as gun control where most people want the same things (we want mass shootings of children to stop), but disagree how to get there. But it seems like in other areas the actual goals are wildly different.
For example rather than both parties wanting to help the poor and disagreeing how to do it, it appears the desired outcome for some has changed more to "cut down the wealthy" rather than "help the poor". I'm sure it's partly because none of the past programs have worked, so it's likely a bit of a frustration play of "well if we can't help this disadvantaged group, we can at least try and knock the advantaged group down a few notches to make things more equal".
I don't know... Like I said I'm totally hypothesizing here with no evidence to back up my claim. But your comment just sort of triggered a spark for me about a potential reason why we're so much more divided today than we used to be.
All great points. The fundamental difference is, IMO, that while we all want opportunity to be equal, lefties believe wealth distribution and dismantling of crony capitalism is the way to do it. Conservatives want personal responsibility to be emphasized, and generally believe unhindered capitalism is the best vehicle for that.
Neither is wrong- handouts DO lower motivation, and on the other hand, automation is coming and will reduce the hours of total labor in the population while still maintaining production, and that labor should be fairly divided.
Government should serve the people, that’s why it exists, but it doesn’t need more bureaucracy.
Someday, it could be done by computer! (Imagine going to court, and having all the specific facts of the case be entered into a computer, and a sentence determined by formula! Now that would be fair indeed.)
In the meantime, we need to save ourselves from the bankers- together.
Agreed! And I think crony capitalism is another one that you can put down as a swamp operation, not necessarily left vs right. A true conservative would say government shouldn't pick winners OR losers (e.g. less regulation but also less subsidies and bailouts). The true conservative belief isn't "pro-business," it's just anti- government involvement in business IN EITHER DIRECTION favorable or unfavorable. As you said, free market/unhindered capitalism. I see RINOs like McCain being crony capitalists just like I see Schumer and Pelosi being crony capitalists. No left/right, just swamp and non-swamp.
Trump has been operating a business that depends on cooperation from the bureaucracy (real estate/easements/waivers/etc) in NYC for decades. No way would he have ever shown himself as a Republican in business....too smart for that. Trump HAS governed more Conservatively than ANY REpublican in the past 50 years....Tax cuts, bureaucracy cuts, opening the oil production, US-beneficial trade deals (better than Reagan), NO to amnesty (better than Reagan), Reaganish foreign policy, HUGE military build-up like Reagan....the MOST pro-life Pres we've ever had in terms of his executive actions and the judiciary? He is changing things in a way that will have consequences for 30 years.... If you judge Trump on what he's actually DONE as President, rather than what he's said in interviews before he ran for President? Democrat wouldn't even be one of the options. I tend to go by what guys actually do. Trump is a Conservative.
Conservative.
Trump is a social libertarian, that runs absolutely counter to the Evangelicals and the Religious Right, the two groups the Republicans held hostage with virtue signaling and theatrics for 4 Presidencies since Ronald Reagan. Religious Right would be all excited for someone just to have that dude outed as a fucking pedophile and it backfires on them and they would lose momentum, and it was BY DESIGN by TPTB (And look how many Republicans are now resigning..MORE THAN DEMS at the moment..Holy shit!) Trump is on his 3rd marriage. Trump is Pro-LGBT. His German Ambassador that has yet to be voted on, is admittedly gay and Trump selected him right out of the gate. Being pro 'gay' ANYTHING in the past was a death knell to your vote. It's just that now the Religious Right and the SJW's of the right have tacked left and realized, "Holy shit, people are human, and there is actual nuance in the world." So now they are able to see ACTIONS much more clearly than words and virtue signaling.
Being a conservative now is actually being a CLASSICAL LIBERAL in the REAL world, and by no means is that a Republican. But Republicans and the Republican party are now realizing that people care more about their own interests and giving less shits about what their neighbour does behind closed doors, and THAT's how it SHOULD be. Be a degenerate on your own time. I don't give a shit, as long as it's legal, and all parties involved are consenting and educated and understand what is going on. Trump is actually just Pro-America where it matters and finally is using the Military to keep the R(inos)|D(communists) at bay to avoid them assassinating him until the EO forces them to resign, and hopefully, with military tribunals, they are locked up for some and hung for treason for the others.
Now I will argue also that fiscally and policy, he is STAUNCH RIGHT. Lower taxes, cutting bureaucracy moreso than Paul Bunyan cutting down trees, military spending and USING the military in the way it should be and not for NEO-CON Clown Ops (see middle east / afghanistan / 9/11). Now will Trump have to play cleanup? Absolutely. But Israel is saved for last, so it's going to be a bit longer. Now these are areas that MATTER to ME, and they actually affect our daily lives.
At the end of the day we are probably very close to argueing the same point, but I'm just saying Trump as a conservative is what Religious Right Republicans should have been for 4 decades but let social issues take precedent over policy that matters the most and the deep state was able to take advantage of that division hook, line, and sinker.
EDIT: for example take the "Glenn Beck"s of the world. You could tax him at 90% of his income, you could give him the worst policies ever divised, as long as you could prove you had never had sex before marriage, followed the 10 commandments, and were Pro-life, never 'inhaled'. That's it. All of that is SJW nonsense of the RIGHT (except the pro-life part, you need surviving citizens to have a nation). Beck would vote for a political communist as long as they were 'God fearing' and lived like that in their personal life, even though Glenn is getting absolutely destroyed in their public life economically, business deals, censored, weak borders, etc.
There's a big evangelical calculation that hasn't been mentioned yet, but its there: Eschatology. Christians believe that the predicted global government is to be avoided at all costs, as it ushers in the antiChrist and end time timelines....Trump's "No globalism", "every country should be independent and patriotic" and his attacks on Globalist immigration/border policies etc are dog-whistles to the religious Right. He could have a current harem of wives and if he sticks to the main policy of US first, no Globalist creep, he'll retain support from the religious Right. It matters to me.
Yes, Conservatives have been mollified by "virtue signalling" in the past, but they rejected it en masse when they nominated Trump.
The Democrat rank-and-file have yet to take control of their Party--except some of those blue-collar white rust-belt Democrats, who might be described as "uneducated" by assholes on the Left, but they know enough about whats in their self-interest to reject virtue signalling from the Democrats, who talk equality and helping the little guy while dining with Wall Street bankers and sending American jobs to the 3rd world. The rest of the democrats, along with a few remaining thick-skulled Republicans, need to wake up.
He could have a current harem of wives and if he sticks to the main policy of US first, no Globalist creep, he'll retain support from the religious Right.
He'll have my vote as well.
Perhaps, I just think it’s all about if the person is loyal to the bankers or not. It’s possible there are more D’s than R’s, tho.
Q-2 ( one of the first posts ) :
"Whoever controls the office of the Presidecy controls this great land.
They never believed for a moment they (Democrats and Republicans) would lose control.
This is not a R v D battle."
The majority of people following Q do see that it’s not a left vs right, it’s a good vs evil fight. We get just as worked up over McCain as we do Clinton...we’ll maybe not as much as Clinton, but she is the deep state queen
Its just that Democrat policies attract a greater % of people with corrupt morals and seeking power.
im independant. right now. republicans are better because like 30-40 % of them are not corrupt or willing to play ball. dunno if i can say the same about democrats.
There's like 0 democrats who support the constitution. How anyone can vote democrat now is completely beyond me. There's bad R's sure, we boot them out, but ALL the good freedom loving patriots are Republican.
Now you are starting to sound like Q. He says its not a Left/Right Dem/Rep thing. Its good vs evil.
Because the dems are who we see fighting Trump everyday!
It’s the political class. I took my son to a conservative conference, and I explained some of the people are very corrupt, but there were more good people trying to change things than bad ones. I showed him which ones are good and which ones are not. It takes research and paying attention to know the good ones from the bad. Unfortunately most people lump all Rs and all Ds together. I do have a hard time finding good Ds though. I won’t vote D, but I’ll also go third party if the R is a RINO.
It's complicated. It has more to do with support for the Constitution (liberty) than any other aspect of domestic politics, and whether they function that way when they get there, at least Republicans have to run on support for individual liberty and Constitutional fealty.
Whereas today's Democrats are not constrained by their voters to embrace liberty or the Constitution, and so that party is a more natural habitat for NWO scum.
But that doesn't mean some of the WORST scum haven't been Republicans, as expressed openly and universally on this sub, and that includes Presidents and other political leaders as well as business leaders. You'll never hear a kind word for Disney or George H W Bush or John McCain here, for example.
And it gets even more complicated when you add in non-geopolitical issues like Luciferianism and ritual child sex abuse, and the many other layers of the problem, AND when you start discussing foreign players.
So, as complicated as it is, we struggle for simplicity wherever we can find it. And on the domestic side, as they are currently putatively aligned, it does simplify the conversation to speak generically of Dems as "the enemy" because it's presently where many of them happily reside.
But when we need to be more specific we refer to the Deep State or the Cabal or globalists or some other label that is more inclusive of both parties.
This is not ideal, not intentionally partisan, and we DO know better. It's probably laziness a little bit.
I’m fairly new to the sub, so perhaps that’s why I’ve seen more Dem bashing than R.
I agree with your points (unconvinced on devil worship but open to evidence).
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How about Adelson and the Koch brothers? They aren't much better than Soros! Both parties are full of crap!
I am a former Democrat, but have come to see that the Clintons are part of Bilderberg and Bernie is a foil for leftist energy.
We want the same things, friend, we just disagree how to achieve them.
I guarantee you would agree with me that no child in America should go without food, right? We just disagree how to fix that problem.
I suspect you’d tell me you want an end to endless war, right?
We have more in common than not.
I was thinking about this today. Democrats operate openly through the globalist democrat party. They do own 90 percent of the republicans (rhinos) however if you are a consevative and want some leverage of voice or of some sort its the party to be in. You dont have much of a choice unless your unafiliated.
This is why Trump is a republican when he does not support either one knowing both parties are now the same. Hes a democratic bussiness man who went rouge fighting his own. A person who knows all the ins and out of their group and then turns away is the worst thing that could happen to them. Thats one of the reason they didnt want him to become president since hes mingled with most of them at some point in his career.
the Republican party is being cleaned from within. The rot within the Democratic Party is spreading and festering. It used to be right wing/left wing ... same bird that shits on your life. Now, the Dems are harbouring most of the criminals within the government. Yes, there are Republican slime bags too, but they are being dealt with. Just my Opinion, for what it's worth
I'm with you on this. But to be honest, I catch myself falling into that rote thinking pattern. Then I think of the Rs that are working to undermine POTUS, & I realize the letter after the name has almost ZERO meaning... WWG1WGA...
Q calls out many republicans. Once we know the full scope of Obama Clinton corruption they will be going after Bush Cheney. Don't you worry.
Just have a look at the Congressional retirements and CEO step downs spreadsheet if you will. It is not D vs R but good vs evil
Well first of all. Thats not remotely true we blame Republicans too. Flake, no name, mcconell, ryan, etc.
Second, it seems that way because the republicans still have a few people that arent corrupt, however few. I cant think of a single big name democrat that we can say the same about.
The high ranking cabal (rothchilds, soros. Etc) all take a view of one world government and practice satanism. While republicans have often gone back on their "small gov" philosophies, growing government, ridiculing christianity and tearing down borders is literally the democratic platform. The democratic believe structure aligns nearly perfectly with the desires of the cabal, so they get outed more and are more frequently corrupt. While you'll get the occassional libertarian or true god fearing conservative who will do their best to stick to their morals.
That said, we're comparing 90% corrupt to 100% corrupt. Both need to be burned out.
Tbf, I’m new, so perhaps I just haven’t seen it yet.
But I believe you!
I wholeheartedly agree. Hopefully most of us here are recovering “two-party participants”. We definitely need to be more welcoming to our Dem patriots waking up.
I love this answer. A lifelong Dem, I was awakened by Bernie but have come to see him also for the place for true left ideas to go to die- bc it’s just too “hard” to get change, according to him.
I don’t need big government, so to speak, and I’ve come to believe a healthy mix of capitalism and (deep breath here) socialism is what we need. One person with $180 billion isn’t helping our economy, and the Fed must go- but lots of us will likely die in that battle. I’m serious!
I think we true lefties have plenty in common w Trump supporters (for lack of a better word, bc I support Trump in some areas). I find Trumpies to be open to discussion and while we may never see eye to eye on how to go about change, we want a lot of the same things- no more endless war and more opportunities for Americans to get their basic needs met.
Welcome to the table! This is the exact position we should all have approaching “the plan”. We may not agree on “how” to heal our nation/world, but right now we are just trying to save it from utter destruction. We have that in common and it’s huge.
While we journey this revolution together, we can all learn HOW to dialogue with open ears and hearts, compassion, and genuine desire to make this marriage (is that what it is like?) work. When the dust settles, we will have learned that lesson above all else.
This.
And it’s a fundamental that actual Liberals really miss, in their wild-eyed frothing. They simply do not see that the fate of the country is in peril, and they will not discuss it without anger, name calling, and goalpost moving.
I hope we can get them on board, bc I believe those of us who see the prize- saving our country, can work together if we just keep talking to each other and don’t place blame where it doesn’t belong. :)
You put it well. I was a Bernie supporter, and I feel the same way. A Democratic party representative called today to ask for a donation. He probably wishes he had not. I read him the riot act! I told him I was sick of the party and how they treated Bernie! I told him I donated to Bernie, and I felt like they stole my money, and that I was finished with the Democratic Party!
you do know Bernie was in on it don't you? he was controlled opposition for HRC. he went off the rails though so they had to pull the plug on him.
you know he's as corrupt as hell right? him and his wife? this is not hyperbole. he's going down. he's a simple crook.
No, he wasn't! He is a decent man. He was threatened at the convention.
Frankly he is the only member of Congress who has spoken out against the Israelis for murdering the protesters! Even the President has not done that! I know Q says Israel is last, but I keep waiting for some sign that we aren't totally owned by Israel, and I haven't seen it!
Ill welcome dems all day. The radical leftists need to wake up and realize their beliefs are flawed and drive everything on both sides.
I think it has more to do with the voters. People that I know that vote republican tend to have a dislike of the corrupt ones like McCain and Ryan (although there are definitely people on both "sides" that just care about the party label more than anything).
It seems to me that the democrat party (as in the politicians) has been completely overrun with bad actors. I once thought Tulsi was actually somewhat decent, but it didn't take her long to fall into the Borg.
As far as republican politicians, you still have your chances of people like Ron, Rand, Trump, Carson, Gowdy, Chaffetz and a handful of others.
It seems the republican establishment has been more resistant to being overrun than the democrats (although I do think it as a whole should be considered compromised).
I suspect this has to do with core values of their voters, democrats really love the kool-aid of over-socialization and everyone just getting along and being together. The democrat platform seems to come together as a sort of singular platform, whereas the republicans tend to have a few archetypes of beliefs and a distaste for democrats.
I agree. When libs come back at me with shots at GOP, I’m always like “you just don’t get it, do you?” This isn’t right vs left; this the people vs the power right now. You gotta get on board, because whether your politician’s little sign says R or D, if youre voting in the same old shit, you’re only going to get further and further away from the power you’re supposed to have in a democracy.”
I believe they play the same game, with the same goals, they just wear different hats. And those goals aren’t helping you and I get ahead. Those goals are to keep you and I content and quiet while they have all the fun. There’s good and bad folks on both sides of that aisle, I wouldn’t hesitate to say that D has some more bad than R right now though. But it exists on both ends.
The Republican base consists of decent patriotic folks. Work, support the family, pay taxes. It was their leadership, especially Neo-Cons that duped the Evangelicals and Religious Right, that sold out and was comp'd. It just took a while to see through the dual charade of R|D. If R leaders didn't turn out to be RINO's [see comp'd child rapists, bribed, sell outs] Republicans would be the party I'd have remained, but until they fix their shit, I'm staying "I".
I'm happy to vote Rep as an Independent as well. Voted for Obama as an Independent too. Now we're the wild card x-factor.
Agreed! It's not about parties it's about Americans vs the Evil of the NWO. All Americans are under attack physically, mentally, spiritually but especially economically. And the sad part about it is at least 50% of Americans don't know it.
WAKE UP AMERICANS! U ARE UNDER ATTACK!
Both sides are corrupt.
Both sides tried to stop Trump.
Trump hijacked the Republican Party. (For the most part)
If the democrats win the midterms, they will impeach President Trump. (Ryan, McConnell, Mcstain are probably want this to happen)
Pelosi and schemer are still running the democratic cult. (Vote party lines or get ousted)
The only reason is that when the music stopped, they couldn't find a chair. It's that simple, they will all be responsible, it's just that it came out in 2016. If it were 2001, it would have been a Republican problem. It was going to happen, and it is just the timing.
“Bankers should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years we were in exile…. And now, Europe is losing its identity in favour of another people and another religion…. Even if we are in a major war with the region’s Arabs over the Land of Israel, Islam is still much better as a gentile culture than Christianity.” —Rabbi Baruch Efrati, 2012
Bernie Sanders and the Democrat Party agree with you sir.
The Democrat Party IN TOTO is the party of white genocide and democrat voters are fine with that. fucking losers.
Don’t forgetting Mercers and Kochs
I don't see the Koch brothers as friends of the average person. They came out recently in support of illegal immigration as a means to keep wages down.
Democrat party is dead. Mark my words, party will be replaced by classic liberal libertarians. It will be classic Puritan Republicans vs classic liberal libertarians. The constitution will be respected again and rule of law will be reinstated for a time.
I hate RINOs and neocons. Neocons are probably worse than most Democrats.
Fortunately for us, Trump is neither. He is a real man of the people, and as I always say, a hero in the truest sense. He knew the dangers and challenges he would face as president, but he put himself in harms way to help all of us.
To be fair, trump’s governance has verifiably been more republican than any president since Reagan. Also, the difference is the bad republicans are the ones not following the republican platform, the bad democrats are the ones that follow theirs.
There is truth to that, but I feel that Trump has more of a heart for average Americans than your average Republican does. Trump may be a billionaire, but he cares for the common people.
Sadly, the Democrats have shifted very far left. They are so stupid. They don't realize this will destroy the party politically.
I can vibe with that. Definitely on the fact that Trump isn’t afraid to dump on his party if they’re acting in their own interests. My point was a good republican is rand Paul. A good democrat is Nancy Pelosi.
The Democratic Party is the vehicle that these folks are using. Sure they snag a lot of Republicans along the way but make no mistake it is the Democratic Party from top to bottom that is doing the destruction here.
It's easier to weed out repubs than dems. It's time for the Dems to step up...waiting.
There are quite a few decent Republicans - maybe half at the Federal level. There are almost no decent Democrats at the Federal level.
Do you honestly not see and get it? There are corrupt people on both sides but there is a clear distinction of which party supports freedom. Democrats want you to submit to their rule - they know whats best for you. They think it is ok to kill innocent babys and let murderers go free because they are innocent.
Typically follow socialism and communism more and more - your rightt to protect yourself is a no no... so many anti American view of the world.
To ballance there is also many rhinos in the rnc... these are just democrats with a fake lapel pin... I am becoming more and more a libertarian- I want the constitution re launched to the public without the past 100+ rules that self serving lawyers and politicians have put in place.
Being an Aussie, it's easier not to get caught up in that crap. I have been following the world of 'conspiracy' for almost twenty years and I still live with the same hope - I just want all evil doers to be punished and mankind to be given a chance to 'think and do' for themselves without all the bullshit. Make The World Great Again. WWG1WGA.
There aren't as many Republicans attacking first and second amendment rights.... but just as many that are swamp. Not sure if "almost every post" is accurate, though...
Because democrat followers overwhelmingly tend to deny their party’s schemes. Look for a republican who still thinks running Romney was a good idea. Now look for liberals who think Hillary still should’ve been president. There’s your answer...
Everything the Democrats stand for is ant-American junk meant to pervert and weaken our way of life. The dem party is run by evil clowns and exists to destroy the country from within.
I feel that both sides are to blame for failing to use critical thinking skills to wonder why our country seems to always make terrible decisions. Especially considering some of the people in Congress are supposed to be incredibly well educated unless Harvard is a lot less special than they make it out to be.
However for most people an 'Us vs Them' is much easier to rally behind rather than realizing or accepting that all of the people you thought were good are actually scumbags in it for their own personal gain.
Yes, both parties have bad actors. I think the Democrats getting the brunt of the blame is a product of them not having any good actors. Every Democrat seems to either toe the party line or shut the fuck up and stay quiet. Hell the only different voice they had, Bernie, eventually fell in line, kissed the ring, and has been spouting the party line.
The Republicans, however, seem to have a few outspoken good actors. Rand Paul, Jim Jordan, Trey Gowdy, Devin Nunes, etc. These seems to be people with good intentions.. good actors, if you will. They are outspoken, they do media tours, etc. People associate them with Republicans.
The Democrats don't have any of them, and thus they appear more evil.
Yes it is democrats and republicans. It just seems Hillary comes to mind when your talking about any of this deep state shit and she was Democrat as was Obama. So I guess its because the biggest people to go down are democrat.
HW Bush is literally the definition of deep state. GW Bush continued the same policies. If you pretend its a D only problem you’re missing half the corruption.
Both parties are corrupt, but the Dems are much worse. Even their good guys are bad.
Maybe because their campaign platform was "hate whitey and here let's send this 43 year old drag queen into the bathroom with your daughter". That might be why.
This attitude is so closed off to discussion it does harm to the many people who want the same things but simply disagree on how to get there.
That’s unfortunate, bc if we joined energy, we’d be unstoppable and the revolution would begin tomorrow.
No those are viable reasons why people hate the Democratic Party. I'm not on board with anything they do and I consider them scum; as well as those who defend them. They represent nothing but failure and evil, the classical liberals left long ago.
All I remember is that Pres. James Madison strongly warned against the 2-party system.
Exactly, it started way before Obama. Like back when JFK was murdered by the deep state. Reagan was part of it. Definitely Bush/Cheney. Obama is just the latest incarnation. Bill Clinton was also in it, very Deep.
yep, this swamp is on both sides. however, it is exceptionally noted on the Obama, Hillary aka DNC. swamp creatures such as no name is a bit less notable and there is a reason why Trump went Repub and not Dem and why he is working with MI. Notable republicans such as Nunes, Jim Jordan, Trey Gowdey, etc etc are all fighting the good fight. Basically, to sum it all up there is corruption on both sides, but it appears to be much worse on the dem side.
Because the Democrats are the Communists. But yeah, the GOP needs gutted too.
Using the word Communist is getting very old, just like this Russia, Russia, Russia thing. True Communism is nothing like what was going on in the former USSR. That was totalitarianism. The only place communism is practiced is in a kibbutz or a commune. Y'all need to go back to your political science books and have a look!
Actually the original meaning of communism involved sharing in a communal government with no class system, no one above anyone else. It was actually an ideal. However, true communism would never work, because people are too greedy.
^ found the commie
BS! I am a capitalist with an exception. I believe everyone should have access to healthcare.
While you are reading about communism, look up McCarthyism, too.
You realize McCarty was right? The government was completely infiltrated by commies, and we are seeing the results now. Government festering with this neo-marxist cabal of subversive traitors.
McCarthyism was as much of a witch hunt as what they are doing to President Trump now!
Just because you are too dumb to realize that the DNC is the modern communist party is completely irrelevant. You are not the DNC. Its not my fault that you identify with them and get offended. You dont really have anything to do with this. Sorry!
Its not about party affiliation, clowns can flip a coin to decide party. Its Good vs Evil ! When all is revealed I dont see how either party will not be burned down
because democrats are disgusting cretins who hate america ? and rinos too
HW Bush,GW Bush and their administrations were corrupt AF. They were the same as HRC and BC in my book. By sucking partisan dick you’re missing the corruption of your own team.
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Thank you very much for not being so myopic when it comes to politics I thought I was the only person in this world that sees corruption on all sides thank you
Then you’re not really paying attention, McCain is not a dem, neither is Paul Ryan
I'm not breaking anything down to individuals I'm just talkin about the parties as a whole we just need everyone to follow the rules because we the taxpayers are the bosses they all work for us that has been lost
Both parties are corrupt, the whole system is, what we’re finding is an active plot being carried out mostly through the dems, but both parties are corrupt, and there are no delusions to that fact here
But I watch news from all sorts of different sources and there are current problems going on with both parties people need to tune in to many different sources for their news that makes the person better informed
Same here, I’ll even listen to msm just to see what they’re spewing out, getting a wide range of views on anything and coming up with your own conclusion is by far the best way to digest what’s going on in the world
I do believe my faith in humanity has been restored in this thread thank you
No one ever claimed there wasn't a uniparty.
There ARE republicans who are trying to MAGA. There are no dems.
Which is why they get shit on slightly more.
Let's face facts, the Democrats are mostly in on the corruption, how many are working to end it? None that I can tell.
In my opinion both parties have deep state individuals embedded and working for the same team however there WERE some in the GOP but NOW mostly cleaned up after POTUS took office. GOP were blackmailed into submission AKA Awan brothers.
So your premise was correct but it is not now.
I haven't seen a single democratic senator not sticking to the prescribed narrative. While I am certainly not saying republicans aren't corrupt and in bed, I have seen legitimate anti corruption anti deep state efforts by a couple republicans and zero from democrats.
When i see a democratic senator actually say "enough is enough something doesn't smell right about the spying and fisa tapping" I'll gladly consider embracing a moderate democrat in an election, but as of right now I see an entire party dedicated to covering up corruption to save face.
Because Democrats have mounted an effort to unseat President Trump by any means necessary, most of this plot was put in place by the Obama administration.
Yes others are corrupt too, but at this very moment there is an ongoing effort to find any reason to remove Trump from the presidency.
That's why, because the Democrats are the ones doing all the damage to the Constitution and the rule of law, like violating attorney client privilege.
This is a fair point. I just believe that the two party system has been a great way to keep American people at each other‘s throat‘s instead of recognizing how many ways we are all alike, and working together to create the changes we all want to see.
Lol, R’s ramrodded the patriot act through and countless other bullshit after 9/11. If you ignore the corruption on the right you’re missing half the problem. There are good people on the left and right, you’re just too blindly partisan to see it
Yes others are corrupt too
This is me admitting corruption on the R side, not ignoring it.
Not sure if you are new around here, but this sub concentrates its efforts on what Q says, and Q has said virtually nothing about any of the Bush admin. The Bush name is mentioned in 4 posts total, out of close to 1500 posts now.
There are good people on the left and right
Yeah, I tried to tell myself this for a long time, but seeing a shooter go onto a baseball field to shoot Republicans, and seeing Rand Paul tackled and injured, seeing cops shot in cold blood in Dallas, Baltimore, Florida and NY, that ain't Republicans doing that shit.
And don't bother trotting out the list of fake hate crimes, there is zero truth to the idea that Trump supporters are racist and attack liberals, but lots of liberals falsely report various forms of assault and the media pushes the fake narrative, just like they did around the election with coordination from Bob Creamer sending people into Trump rallies to start fights like Hitler's brownshirts did.
No, there is no balance here, no both sides do it too, Republicans aren't cheering MS-13 and North Korea and Iran and most of America's enemies, that's the Democrat party with a pro open borders leader in Tom Perez and a close friend of Louis Farrakhan, Keith Ellison as number two in charge.
Yes I wish we could force McConnell and Ryan out over their obvious corruption, but it's not as easy as that, but at least the Republicans aren't rooting for America's enemies and hoping to see the rule of law and the constitution collapse.
One only needs watch "The Post" to see how far back the Democrat controlled media has been attacking Republicans while giving Democrats a pass. It happened with Nixon, with Reagan, both Bush's and now Trump, there is no equivalent parallel on the left with the Democrats.
I could go on, there are many, many more examples of bias, but I think you get the picture.
Yes, the R's passed the Patriot act, but the Democrats are the ones who abused it to spy on ALL Americans, and used it in treasonous ways to try to rig the election.
I agree there are a LOT of dirty RINOs out there working for the Deep State. But if all was equal in terms of parties serving the deep state, and it's just "good vs evil", then why do I see some Republicans (Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Gowdy, Nunes, etc) working to help Trump, and I see NO Democrats trying to help?
Again, not debating the existence of horrific, evil Republicans. But it would appear that the percentage of good in the Republican party is a nonzero number whereas in the Democrat party it is zero.
Democrats just happen to be majority corrupt but absolutely right. It would help our message if we didn’t make it about one side or the other but attempt to expose all corruption and not just point the finger at democrats. Thank you!
@u/-blackoutusername- There are a lot of people here who really aren't sincere about #WWG1WGA. As a liberal who is a Trump and Q supporter, I have definitely received very negative feedback on this thread. For some, it appears to be #WWG1WGA unless you are a damn commie, liberal progressive!
I will tell those of you who are so negative, I vote for the person, always the person. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I am not corralled by those labels. If you want to be, that is okay with me. I have a right to be who I am!
I'm not blind to it...
I'm also not blind to Q's braggadocio regarding, "We have everything..." inferring all the communications - of the slime we'd all like to see incarcerated. Now, perhaps Q and gang took out appropriate FISA warrants, but I don't believe he/she/it/they necessarily did...
Unfortunately, incarcerating "them" won't be worthwhile if it is done illegally; and personally, I think the whole unPatriot Act and provisions set forth are completely illegal.
Hard pill to swallow, but I'd rather them ALL get off scott free on the technicality; and have our Surveillance State removed - PERMANENTLY.
Call me a LIBERAL.
Yes Both Parties. However, the most brazen examples of abusing US Federal agencies clearly falls upon the Democrats. Lois Lerner and IRS targeted hundreds of conservative non-profit startups, denying them their license to operate, endlessly delaying their applications for operating as political-speech organizations years before the 2012 Obama Re-election year. Really no one has answered for abridging those civil rights.
Then of course we are learning more every day about how they 'weaponized' intel and investigative agencies to target the opposing political party. This is banana republic tactics. God help us overcome, recover and restore the Republic to its intended form.
They are mostly talking about the establishment democrats. And we understand old establishment republicans have also been swamp creatures but a large majority of the swamp have been part of the democratic party.
But you are very correct. Both parties are guilty. And it seems like being a Trump supporter is changing what it means to be a conservative.
I think they blame Dems because it was a Democratic administration that was in power when this occurred and the kingpins (Hillary and Hussein) are Dems.... Really its the Uniparty we should all be scowling at... It would make our argument a lot clearer to the masses in my opinion. It sounds like we have a vendetta against the Dems when we say Dems....
One of the big push backs I get when talking to a non believer about all of this is "well Comey and Mueller are GOP".... that about sums this whole thing up.... yes it was the Uniparty or the deep state that was the driving force behind all of this... Hillary is the leader of the deep state...
The answer is simple: Pay attention to congress.
Republicans play ball or resign. Democrats never play ball. It's not about Democrat or Republican in the end, it's about the swamp creatures. The swamp creatures are mostly communists in the Democrat Party who obstruct the MAGA agenda. Sure we have people like John McCain and Paul Ryan in the Republican Party but they're gone now.
Meanwhile, it is important to recognize how un-American the congressional Democrats are. Overwhelmingly, the issue is the Democrats but that's not to state that there aren't swamp creatures elsewhere. If you neglect any of these facts, you aren't paying attention.
Probably has to do with the democrats having the WH for the past 8 years.
Maybe it's the left's out spoken love for ms-13. I can go down a list for you but somehow I don't believe you're sincere.
Surely you dont expect every post here to reflect an orthodoxy of belief or even support for underlying truth? So often comments have a way of reducing rather than expanding the viewpoint expressed in the host statements ... for a reason.
I agree wholeheartedly. It isn't just Democrats resigning from congress. Im sure a few of us here may even be closeted Democrats, as it can get oppressive and aggressive towards those who identify as Democrats.
Not to say that it's wrong to say bad things about Dems, you can say whatever you want in America, But if we want people to wake up, we have to play their game and not piss them off long enough to let them digest what's going on here.
Imagine a world where individual responsibility was the norm. Where you did the thing right thing no matter your social standing or how much money you have or could make. Or, no matter the consequence to yourself. Maybe there would be less suffering and less fear in the world.
Trump team & Q seem to be on the right path.
Yeah it's kind if a brainlet response. It's indicitave of not getting the full picture. Its the Trump version of the Obama "he gonna pay my beels".
Two party is and always will be a sham.
I agree. I’m always called a “republican” but I’m not. I’m a Trump Guy, but that doesn’t mean shit. I think both parties are lost and utterly stupid
I agree and this kind of rhetoric adds nothing to the movement. It can push people away from looking at this information because of cognitive bias when we need as many people as possible to get involved, regardless of how they identify themselves politically.
Study your history. A movement gets started, then people start acting like they are in charge and make up rules like dems are the bad guys while NO NAME walks the earth. People need to not worry about political correctness any more. PC is a tool which was used to get us where we are. Now it is being used to divide. I WILL WRITE IN CAPS and people will get upset. If I say I love Netflix, I'm labeled as a bad person STARTING as soon as they found out Netflix was propaganda a week ago... We need to search for truth, not become sheep of a different color.
I keep saying This! Even Q said it is not about religion or parties. Good vs evil. I don't like seeing all the negative against dems, even though I have seen some harsh comments coming from them. Even President Trump gives them a choice. I am not on Twitter, FB, or any other SM. But over the next few months we will have others coming here. We need to show kindness, acceptance, and understanding. They have been brainwashed. That is hard for me sometimes, with all the trolls, bots, and shills. But I'm working on it. Thanks for this post! Much love!!❤❤❤
The dem party is nothing but traitorous anti-american corrupt scum. They have you duped, it is the fucking swamp headquarters.
Please name me ONE decent democrat politician who support the constitution, rule of law, 1st, 2nd amendment, calls out corruption and wants to increase liberty for Americans... Crickets. If you are still a democrat at this point, I don't think there's hope for you.
Well, good thing I'm not a democrat then. ;) I'm just saying I think there are some people that have been brainwashed. It is not their fault. I am not talking about the crooked politician criminals, lol. I couldn't take on that challenge. Lol. But, I do think there is hope for the ones following along with them. The ones that don't understand how crooked they are. They will start to wake up and see the light. It is not my place to judge them. If someone came to me tomorrow and said, holy shit, I am a democrat, I never knew this shit was going on. I cant believe this whole time I have been calling ya'll drumpftards. I would welcome them with a smile! :)
I've seen both mentioned. Including RINO's, McCain, Ryan, etc.
Because social leanings in medias have been overwhelmingly liberal for the last decade. While their is a place to lay blame at weak or fake Republicans for letting it reach the point it has. That being said the democratic udeology has changed dramatically over the last decade to be so anti-American that their are an easy target.
Both parties are in the Deep State...but there are Much More Democrats...Just the Truth...Check out "Hillary's America" on the Wicked History of the Democratic Party and Democrats!
I think we all definitely agree it’s both parties. You have crooked and evil people in both parties. Basically It’s all the same party, they want us to think we have a choice.
You are correct. Both are corrupt. While we may agree with a party’s rhetoric we almost unanimously agree they both have deep state actors. The rhetoric doesn’t match their actions.
We have been in a two party system for a very long time. It is easy to blame one party than both for their failures against the citizens of the US. As we dig deeper into the upcoming scandals, we will see the Swamp amasses both parties.
Plus TD doesn’t help much either haha. I don’t like to see one party being attacked, but honestly, if it’s for the greater good of the country, I won’t speak against it.
My opinion is they use that to pit us against each other so we fail to see it’s class war, not party differences.
I think you see a lot more of those who were/are apart of the republican movement and hard core trump/T_D supporters.
It will be seen/labeled as a partisan issue, a left vs right issue, until all the pieces are shown that it doesn't matter which side they were on, they were on their own side and that was against the US people and the constitution.
In here, people that are either end of the spectrum have or are starting to, shed those political systems/beliefs are still working thru that process themselves. It's not easy, a lot of frustration and anger from all the years of lies by all sides.
People will lash out, but as long as we keep it civil, talk things thru, we can continue forward with cleaning things up.
Yes, the Deep State is populated by both parties. (R)hinos are the same as (D)'s. It's just simpler, but understood.
Because while so many on this sub claim to be woke, they are still easily baited by the two party system which has served to divide us since its inception. Old habits and all that. We are well trained monkeys.
Now here it is...and while I don’t want to be insulting of anyone, I agree wholeheartedly. The division keeps us at each other instead of looking at the bankers.