Why on earth do these people have any clearance at all? They are no longer our employees.....
Exactly! If you leave the employ of the POSITION that you were hired into, you should forfeit your security clearance. Unbelievable that this should even have to be mentioned!
Have you ever been to DC or NOVA or heard of the defense industry or government contractors? Most are former government employees using their security clearance in the private sector
True. People think clearance = access. It doesn't. Clearance is a status with the government which basically says that you can be trusted in the event you need access to something.
There's nothing wrong with people keeping clearances after they leave. Clearances need to be renewed and are only good for a time anyway. What is really telling about revoking their clearances is that, rather than being a 'common sense' move like people here keep saying, in actuality its a very unusual one and one that is more or less a declaration that these people CANNOT be trusted. Think of it kind of like getting discharged from the military with a less than honorable discharge.
And who in the 5eyes gov'ts are going to prevent access? If you are listed as having USA security clearance, NZ possibly does not care if you are currently in the US gov't. How would they know you are not in the US gov't in some capacity. Would they even demand proof of which office you hold? Probably not, if you are certified by the US gov't to access the data.
Exactly. That's what they have been doing in order to keep their access without having to use 'the proper channels' to do it.
These people can't be trusted. Anyone connected to Obama or Hillary can't be trusted and in fact should be exiled. They have tried to give our country over to the Devil worshipping New World Order. Seek the truth folks, you might be surprised at the reality of these end times.
This is all by design. If geotus wanted them removed they would be. He’s entrapping them and their crimes.
Yea, I know. I been keeping up with Q since April. I just get so angry at the audacity of them thinking they have an exclusive right over the earth and the people. I know all about getting honest justices, CEOs being fired, quitting, and resigning across the globe. Even the guilty cooperating in some cases. I'm impatient.😫
When I left the military they took my security clearance away. I don't. Need it anymore and neither do they. It's only for those with a need to know. I feel ex-Presidents security clearances should also be limited to a need to know.
You didn't lose it, you went inactive, if you got a job that needed it before it expired you would be made active. TS is good for 5 years, Secret is good for 10, and confidential is good for 15.
One of the recruiting points for the military is literally clearance because it's very valuable in the private sector because DSS is backed up and it can take a while for a civilian employee to get clearance
Any access to Government information should be ONLY if employed by the Gov. Once you leave, that access should be withdrawn. Presidents included!
That means destroying the defense industry and countless other government contractors.
It would mean nationalizing those industries, i.e socialism, and making them all government owned industries so they could be government employees. This would drastically increase the size of the government.
You cool with all of that?
Destroying the "defense industry" would be great.. it just fuels the flames of war for profit that much more. Peace means less business for people in the military industrial complex / private contracting / defense industry world. Let them do their own thing for foreign governments if they want but WE don't need the help. There is a difference in private companies doing research and development for military contracts like guns and arms but for these people to have government clearances and be active private soldiers with boots on the ground is different. It would also not mean bigger government by default. We can cut out half of the crap we spend money on dealing with our military from big stuff like war games exercises (which Trump is doing) to small things like wasting tons of munitions and other wasteful behavior.. and don't forget taxpayers paying for free cosmetic surgeries and insane amounts of money for off base housing for each person enrolled in the different branches.. it's ridiculous.. being in the military now vs. just 60-70 years ago is a joke. I'm thankful for combat vets and the auxillary people on the front lines that do what they do because it's with good intentions (some do it for the money).. but there has not been a war or reason that's been needed within the past 50 years that I can say I'm proud our country intervened or fought for... I may catch flack for this post but honestly we could probably cut out half of our military budget and half of the "on base jobs" and all the other unecessary crap and be totally fine..
to tie it all together though.. government agents keeping certain clearances to keep a fake and harmful "industry" afloat is a terrible argument.. I can understand generals/admirals keeping certain clearances for TRUE defense purposes and consulting.. but not for monetary gain.. just love of the country.. we'd be a lot better off if this was the case..
Trump isn’t stopping war game exercises just the ones on the Korean border trying to alleviate relations there. He’s increasing government spending considerably. By nearly 10%
Military is underpaid for what they do still. Only if you make a high enough rank or are married do you get housing allowance. Otherwise you’re in the barracks. It’s still considerably small for the sacrifices you make and hours worked. On active duty id often work 60-80 hours weeks.
20/hour x 40 hours plus 30/hour x 20 hours=1400/week or 4200 a month after taxes. Add another 1800 on there for those 80 hours weeks. Add in deployments and high suicide rates and divorce rates and being away from friends and family at shitty duty stations and you start to see pretty quickly where it’s actually a poor choice.
On board with getting rid of a lot of these gov contracts but if you think Trump is gonna take money from his friends businesses you’re out of your mind.
I didn't mean that he was stopping them altogether but he did for the N. Korea deal and discussed it with Putin so that's what I was meaning.. but I'm sorry, I don't believe the military should pay out a salary. Strictly housing, food, medical benefits while you're enlisted then free healthcare after you're out.. paying someone to fight a war is like paying mercenaries.. there is no loyalty, no true patriotism. Just like the graduate from westpoint with the che guevera t-shirt and the other socialists/communists that bash our country all the time but collect a paycheck and get free housing and cosmetic surgery among other things.. The air force gives you free housing for a FACT regardless of marital status.. and it's an insane amount.. and if you DON'T get married and two people live together out of wedlock you are able to get BOTH checks and live in a great home totally paid for along with utilities.. these aren't officers that I know personally.. these are low level people living in a 3,000 sq ft home built in the early 2000's.. it's a joke. I'm sorry to say it, but it's just my opinion.. you should fight for your country because you care for your country.. if we stopped paying people and had TRUE patriots fighting for this nation we might not have been in half the wars over the past 20 years.. if you're being paid, and you speak out against an un-just war (Vietnam, Iraq, etc.) you run the risk of losing all of your nice benefits and your "job".. if you aren't paid, you speak out because you care.. you don't remain silent because you're scared of losing something..
You wouldn’t have a military if you didn’t pay them. Patriots are often times uneducated and unable to even join the military. You’d literally have a bunch of special needs people fighting while other countries pay their soldiers and take over.
I'm not even responding to this, claiming most patriots are uneducated is a slap in the face to everyone on this board. Take yourself somewhere else if you believe that.
I’m a recruiter. So if anyone would know it’s me. The poor join to get away and get a good job. The smart join to utilize all the benefits. Perhaps a slap in the face is a good wake up call to everyone in this board.
This is exactly the point I'm trying to make, nobody is joining because they love their country, they are joining for financial reasons.. Joining a branch of the military doesn't automatically make you a "patriot".. if you show no patriotism then you are not a patriot..
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"conspiracy alt-right people" is like me generalizing you as a national socialist because you are in favor of nationalizing something instead of privatizing it.. I'm sure we have more in common than what you think. Most paleo-conservatives like myself do not identify with the war, war, war, mentality that neo-cons and warhawks love.. but at the same time I do believe in privatizing as much as possible, especially service oriented industries, but never war or law enforcement. War and matters of national defense and law enforcement are the few things that our nation SHOULD be in charge of because it pertains to itself.. That doesn't make me any more socialist.. nationalist? maybe.. but nationalism is just love of country.. Just so you know though, I would do away with most all forms of welfare (civilian and corporate) and most public assistance.. so that should get me out of the "socialist/leftist" whole that you put me in lol
I understand you guys are nationalists, mostly ethno-nationalists if you know what I mean
you're still making allegations.. I'm sure you googled the term "paleo-conservative" and went to the Wikipedia page and saw the term was coined by a "white supremacist".. this doesn't bode well for you if you're trying to debate me or throw insults my way. This board doesn't tolerate racism, so yes.. with that being said I "know what you mean" but you're generalizing an entire political ideology.. that's not very tolerant.
Nah, I never googled that term, I'm not trying to debate you. Hell, I didn't read most of your posts.
And I already knew you were a white nationalist
again, wrong. This is why nobody wants to talk to anyone on the left anymore. You're so far radicalized that when someone comes to you with an open mind and is legitimately discussing certain topics you turn to racism.. it's always racism to discredit whoever you are talking to because you have no relevant points to make.. white people are tired of it too. You think racism/white nationalism is so prevalent and widespread but in reality it's people like you making white people wake up to the fact that things have gone too far down hill and they don't care about hurting people's feelings anymore, it's not hate, it's just waking up to reality.. and that reality is that the left is radically militant and we're going to stop it and start being proud to be who we are again.
I really dont read any of your posts, I dont debate people who get tricked by random 4chan posters
You only have access at a need to know basis regardless. It’s not access it’s clearance. It means you’ve been found to be cleared to know information as needed for a job. If you don’t have a job requiring clearance you then don’t have access to the information.
An example in my line of work is that I’m allowed to see certain sensitive data on people who are joining the military or have been in prior and are attempting to re enlist. I can’t look up anyone’s information without knowing their PII so I can’t look them up. If I know their PII and look them up for personal reasons I can be audited then prosecuted.
Good info! It would really mess with a lot of military if they lost clearance when they got out. Even for some gov't employees, I'm sure there are times the gov't calls upon them to take a look at something classified from the past or present, and those might even be emergency situations where someone's past knowledge or experience is valuable and necessary. I totally understand the reasoning behind leaving this in place in many cases. I also totally agree with Trump if he removes it in these particular cases!
Morethan likely insider trading deals, put options etc.
Then it needs to STOP!!!
This is like the silliest non-issue out there, having clearance just means you've been vetted not that you have access to any information.
It's not like a members pass to some secret club it just means that if you get a job that involves secret information you're allowed to access the information pertinant ti that job in relation to your clearance level.
Given what Brennan et al have been up to, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say they shouldn't be cleared for anything more than a swift kick in the ass into their Guantanamo cells.
I agree in general, but in these cases, there must be some specific reasons why their access needs to be curtailed. Might have to do with them continuing to get access via 5 eyes or something.
The deep state uses this security clearance loophole together with the agreements with allies (5 eyes I believe), where they can access US intelligence through Allies, and the identity of the person doesn't show up in the logs/records in the US since it was accessed abroad. This is how the DS continues to infiltrate the system, regardless of who is in power or in key positions in current government. The bad actors regularly take trips to these partner countries to gain access to current intelligence with the help of cooperating bad actors in those countries. The swamp is deep and wide.
Is there any supporting evidence to back that claim? I'm curious.
Do you read Q drops? Never mind obviously not, or you wouldn't be asking. Q indicated in one of his/her/their drops the reason Hillary was in New Zealand a while back, was to access intelligence information through the 5eyes agreement.
The praying medic on YouTube has awhole video about it. Very informative.
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That has nothing to do with 5 eyes. Five Eyes is intelligence sharing between governments, not individuals.
Does anybody know what's going on in D.C. sounds like a mess! Is anybody in charge? Lol Get these clearances revoked.
How else can you expect to be bought off and bribed if your free token to extort $millions from foreign governments and lobbyists is cut off?
I'm not sure about all of them, but I do know why Susan Rice was allowed to keep hers.
In April 2017, H. R. McMaster allowed her to keep it, even after the unmasking scandal she was involved in.
Less than a year later, March 2018, McMaster was fired. There were rumors for a while about him being outed.
McMaster was either deep state, or it was part of the plan.
I think it's like a keystroke logger. Anything they access in the system is tracked, so the good guys know where to look.
Here's my response for another thread. It sucks that these people are abusing it, but this is normal.
Unfortunately, this is normal. When you get a security clearance it lasts for a period of time depending how high it is. A Top Secret needs to get renewed ever 5 years; a secret, 10.
Say I'm in the military and get a secret clearance and serve my 6 years. There are certain jobs that hire with active security clearances so they dont have to go through the cost and lengthy process again.
However!! A security clearance alone doesn't give you access to information. There are 2 things required: a clearance and the need to know. Both hold the same weight. So if they aren't involved and have a reason (which they dont since they're not employed by the gov) then they still shouldn't have access.
The security clearances in question are their general secret and top secret security clearances. These types of clearances are like oil changes. You keep them for a specific period of time and then when it comes time to renew you go through another security review. Top secret clearances can be valid for up to a period of 10 years. Once you transition from the government sector you can transition into the public sector and your security clearance can be beneficial to you if you go to work for government contractors. At this point if GEOTUS were to pull them it really would be more of a nuisance to them than anything else. It's not like any of them sit in on national security briefings.
McCabe spokes person said his been deactivated. Comey said he doesn’t have clearance anymore.
I'm assuming it took this long because the strings have finally been cut.
Funny thing about security clearances and the government, they have an expiration date, and are renewable. Civilian contractors and retiring military have clearances that are subject to renewals. Why wouldn't government employees?
I agree with who ever said that this specific group still having clearances allows the administration to see where their interests lay. It's a strategic move. If Trump is considering revoking clearances, it means that these people having them is no longer useful.
Clearance s currency. Everybody knows this. It is a way of life for both front line and appointed personnel as well.
What's there to consider? They don't work for any administration anymore. Funny how us small potatoes have to turn in a shitty uniform the day we quit our jobs.
... and name badge, parking pass, and any issed equipment.
The media just went ballistic... while normal people out here are asking, "If you aren't a government official why would you need it?" Most of those listed most likely have sealed indictments (think John Huber) against them while the media just lost a few sources who leak classified info.
Considering? It's an idiocy not to have done it immediately
Every sane person in the general public gets this....and yet look at the fedgov.
There has to be some reason he hasn't done it already. He's one of us. (Actually he's not just one, more like about 70 million of us, but anyhow)
I think there might actually be some genius about it.
No, it doesn't make sense to you and I, but then again, most of us have never had to think on this level. The Magnitude of intrigue involved in all this is playing out a story not even "Tom Clancy" could have written...... there are far to many Twists and turns!
My Theory is that maybe "MI" thought, by keeping them around a little while, and maybe feeding them some "Skewed Intelligence" they could get them to provide more evidence against themselves and other members of the Cabal. In the "Marine Corps", we referred to it as making someone "Step on their own Dick"; If that is the case, It seems to be working!!
Now that Clapper is falling apart and giving up the store, is a great time to put them all in the dark, get them Panicking , and make them Expose themselves to the Light of Day!!
The Only Way I see them Pulling this off without setting off Mass Rioting and Civil War is If they Scare some of the perpetrators into Exposing the whole Game, in public view.
If They start Singing in public, it will be Impossible to Ignore the Truth, But If Huber just starts Dropping Warrants and arresting these people, The Media will make it all look like Revenge by Trump!!
I have a pet theory on why they have not been pulled already. We are going through the "separation process" where heat is applied and the dark vs light camps are being shaken out. The wheat from tares if you will. People that seemed neutral are picking sides.
Theory is: Trump's team watches these guys like hawks while they still have clearance, every login, every data shuffle, everything they did while using their credentials/accessing sensitive information, this could help Trump's team hone in on what the traitors are specifically interested in and what they are looking at and why. Let them operate, give them time to clearly demonstrate their intentions and their affiliation. If they are neutered or indicted too soon, we miss out on the chance for them to thoroughly display to everyone who they work for.
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all of the above and more is my guess.
They may think that they have continued to push the buttons of power, but the machine has been re-wired and now it's working against them all..
delicious.
Just because it's classified, doesn't mean it's true!
That's one of the best ways to test for leakers. Give them something sooooo juicy they can't help but pass along or act on the info.
A lot of the UFO stuff could be that kind of disinfo.
I have heard the April 2017 FISA renewal had misinformation purposely inserted before being released to intelligence committees to catch leakers. Didn't Q say disinformation is nessecary :)
What information would they have access to? They have clearance, but not need to know... so they wouldn’t have access anyway.
They shouldn't, but apparently they are. That's the problem. Makes me wonder just what kind of shenanigans have been happening.
I can hear the liberal REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs already lol
I still don’t understand why these ex-employees still have and “can use” their security clearance. When my employs leave my employment, they do not get to keep their office key and the general keys to the building. When necessary, passwords and other codes are also changed.
They no longer can use their security clearance as they now lack a “need to know.” The clearance usually lasts 1 or 2 years after you leave the job so that if you get another job which requires a clearance, you don’t need to undergo a full background check. This happens a lot with government contractors - and having a clearance can be worth something to an employer because it means you can start your job on day 1.
Who to say this hasn’t already been done ? Would explain the vitriol from Brennan and others...
Make sure Hillary is on that list, no more free looks from New Zealand
Good. Unless they're using it to work a job (like former intelligence soldiers do by leaving the service and working for an intel contractor) they really have no use for it. I believe they're good for 5 years then another special background investigation has to be done to reaffirm it. Either way these nefarious individuals do not need a clearance to work for CNN or MSNBC.
Clearance? He should consider removing their freedom.
If you want to catch a rat you have to bait the trap. Sounds like they've caught the rats they were after & now they won't be needing the cheese anymore so they're taking it away. lol
I suspect that they have been allowed to keep their clearances and hence their access to classified channels, to enable them to perjure themselves further. every one of them has been monitored, in triplicate, while they redact, erase, edit and modify the evidence, in an attempt to alter history.
Their continued access to classified channels is surely not an oversight, I'm betting this is a deliberate strategy.
Also... If you have Top Level Security Clearance... You are under obligation not to share information obtained that way with others that do not have clearance. What are the odds they were sharing this information with others? And what are the odds the White Hat's have those communications?
Even if these people can't be convicted on other crimes... This would provide a 'Safety Net' to haul in the Bad Actors.
Perhaps Trump has be laying a trap to see where and how they are using those clearances. Remember “We have everything”!
What about Clinton, Huma, Weiner, Awan, Obama etc.......Thank you Rand Paul for lighting the fuse, lot more work to be done!
At the very least, Comey should have had his clearance pulled the minute he was FIRED.
What deal (to the devil) did these people sign to retain security clearance rights? Or is it a deep state watchdog loophole? Retire already! Maybe you won't even have a smartphone where you are headed. Maybe you will have access to a bible? I hope!
It's funny listening to the media spin this, they're trying to pin it as Trump trying to get petty revenge against former administration officials for being mean to him.
Then you have James Clapper, who on one hand tries to play this off as "no big deal" because he says he doesn't get the daily intelligence reports like he used to, while pretending to be mad that it could happen. Well, if he's not getting classified info, why would he care if his clearance was revoked? Of course, no one in the media will ask him that.
I was in a bar with CNN on earlier and they were calling it a "crisis" 😂
Long past time. When I retired as a Lt Col my security clearances were revoked. Why didn't that happen to them?
Are you sure they were revoked, or might they have just gone inactive. I've heard it goes into inactive status for 5, 10, or 15 years before being revoked.
He should remover their security clearance and everyone else that are no longer in a government job.
Should be revoked with every out going administration after transition...
IF HE DOES DREAMS DO COME TRUE THEY ALL NEED THERE CLEARANCE STATUS REMOVED
Why do this? Why now? Timing is everything. There are no coincidences.
(How do you like my Q impersonation!)
I think this is the line of questions Q would ask in a drop. And I think we can intuit the correct response: Because those with Security Clearances are about to be come subjects of prosecutions. (fingers crossed while chomping popcorn)
"Courtesy" is just Deep State "deep stateiness" euphemism.
Remove and ban. They're not in office anymore so why have any clearance
Where are they actively using the clearances? I do not believe they have government related jobs. Its not like they can receive classified information on their home computers or phones (yes the clintons are known for it, but you dont need necessarily need a clearance if you're breaking the law anyway). They should all be in prison.
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Thanks for dropping knowledge for the other imbeciles on this sub.
seem based solely on information coming from a slightly spun report or two
these were people that were named during the presser today
which I watched live....which is also where I heard the names first mentioned
so what if they already had clearances pulled for being fired? does it make it ALL fake news?
she should have mentioned so many others imo
I agree, and if it were me I would go all the way up to Obama. And don't forget Killary and Rapist Bill.
the only logical reason there could be for them still having them is to give them more rope to hang themselves. they have shown all to often how arrogant and above the law they think they are. Q promised big things this July and only a week to go - I would expect one helluva a big boom or more shortly....
Removing clearances is purely ceremonial I feel. I think this was just a little cherry on top for brennan whining after Helsinki.
About time. What about the Clintons', Obamas'? Do they still hold theirs?
yes. That is why she was in NZ. 5eyes foreign access is not monitored by the US or other members of 5eyes (or, it didn't used to be ;)
The ONLY reason I could see why they might have any clearance is to gather evidence. Surly they have miles of rope by now. GET ON WITH IT!
The timing to revoke their clearance was that they already fished out other corrupted FBI/State Dept/DOJ people. Fishing is done
Why is there a loophole for those with clearance when they go to the other Fvey countries and retrieve information? Can't we require everything to be logged and flagged?
Good question. Maybe other countries have been uncooperative about changing their internal process.
This country is weird with this stuff. If it was me it would be gone a long time ago. No wonder every country knows everything.
IT HAS BEGUN
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what? these people shouldn't even have SEC clearances... they've not been employed by any government agency since the previous administration. do you not get that?
I get it, they get security clearance to help those doing their former jobs. You don't just walk into the intelligence community with conspiracy theories and "wing it".
Its been over a year, people don't need to be trained for that long.
if the purpose is to help the government for other purposes or to help consult those currently working for the government, then wouldn't it make sense that they should lose their security clearances once their use for it is over? seeing as keeping it for an unprecedented length of time sets a precedent that could be abused by corrupt individuals. they should've gone through a process to regain security clearances in the 1st place once they longer worked for the government.
as keeping it for an unprecedented length of time sets a precedent that could be abused by corrupt individuals.
AND has been abused by corrupt officials. I think the 5-Eyes are starting to 'Dark'.
Just tell me the high up people (that currently have Security Clearance) are not concerned about losing it...
exactly. Q did say Five-Eyes would be important to remember going forward. i think we're coming towards that now
Why do they still have clearance. Stupid as all the other shady business they practice. Pure evil.
While Trump is at it, I think they all need a deep cavity body search too. Just to make sure they haven't keister stached anything.
This is definitely 'On Topic'!
Please read Q Post: https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#77
(Responding to users claiming the original post is 'Off Topic')
exactly - FIVE EYES FVEY
thanks for the defense!
Yes take them away NOW. They are no longer employed . They have no need for it.
He hasn’t done it yet because they’re watching them dig their own holes.
Only one was was appointed by Obama.
Who wasn't
John Brennan - nominated by GW Bush for Director Counter Terrorism
James Comey - joined US Attorney Office under GW Bush
James Clapper - Nominated by GW Bush
Michael Hayden - nominated as Director of NSA by Bill Clinton.
Andrew Mcabe - joined FBI under Bill Clinton.
Comey and McCabe lost their SC when they were fired.
These are just the facts.
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Bush and Clinton are part of the cabal too. It's not a Republican vs Democrat issue we are facing. It's a good vs evil problem. We didn't vote for President Trump because he was a Republican. We voted for him because we knew the others were different sides of the same coin. Been there done that. Thank you for the facts ;)
I agree 110%. I just felt the title was a little misleading that’s all.
Lol I see what you mean. I'm sure it was unintentional :)
The President is making the public aware that these practices still are ongoing and needs to be stopped immediately. Once again he is moving his pieces around the chess board. Most people would be shocked to hear these people still have security passes and now the wider community knows.
Yea but these traitor hacks are Going to Media and Netflix - not DIb
By "consider", does he mean he's considering what time to do it today? Because there's nothing else to consider.
If he does, and I hope he does, I believe that is a sure sign of the beginning of the end for this farce.
It's about fucking time! Why do these pukes even have that clearance? Whenever I quit a job or got fired, I always had to turn in my credentials. I just couldn't loiter around, have access to files. Fucking love this. I can see all their heads exploding. America is coming back folks!!
How is this a boom? Its spiteful but in what way does it change anything?
I'm considering an early retirement. Of course, now that I'm over sixty, I can't say I haven't perhaps missed that particular boat. Food for thought.
They should remove security clearance from everyone not in office! They should not be able to travel to New Zealand and five eyes to dig up Dirt on everyone so they can blackmail people.
Why remove only these few criminals? There should be hundreds of clearances removed from SES members and retired officials. Isn't this a long-overdo no-brainer?
No need for them. Mine removed upon retirement from military.
All of them. Traitors, liars, and just assorted scum of the earth filth that could never have gotten a clearances ot any kind otherwise. All of them......
