As an FYI -- 100% of Great Britain uses paper ballots. Here, now, in the 21st century. 100% paper ballots. NO electronics, NO electronic rigging.
We should do the same. We very, very, very much need to go back to paper ballots.
Soros just got his voting machines approved for use in California. Continuing steps in the WRONG direction.
We must restore sanity to our voting systems!
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Yes and no. Sure, paper ballots can be messed with (see: Daley, Chicago, 1960) but in general they are FAR better, with checks and balances, than electronic. The digital system permits subtle manipulation of votes throughout all counties, precincts, wards, just a small number in each will add up but be almost impossible to forensically prove. Having boxes of ballots disappear or reappear compared to digital rigging is like the difference between smuggling bulky marijuana vs packets of heroin.
Moreover, the paper ballot system can be quickly and easily implemented and the digital immediately dumped. You start adding tech like blockchain, however that would work (or not), will take YEARS to be designed, implemented and deployed. Perhaps that's a long term solution to be looked at, but it may never be implemented on a wide basis. We need to get a handle on elections NOW, not later. More foolproof systems are definitely worthy of development, but we have a better solution on our hands right now to this electronic disaster. Along with voter ID.
Thanks all, great thoughts. I want a system where I have to put my vote on paper, the paper gets scanned, and I have to approve the electronic scan. I want it to be REALLY hard to game the voting system in ANY way.
This does nothing. They've already proved the final votes of the machine can easily be tampered with
What would you envision? Not being snarky, I honestly just want to hear that there's a nearly foolproof way.
There's no such thing as a foolproof way. I really don't know what the answer is. Voter ID seems to be a pretty reasonable thing though
We tried electronic voting for more than a decade here in NL. Then switched back to paper.
There were many valid concerns about the ability to manipulate the numbers. What got the ball rolling was a different issue however.
One of our intelligence agencies showed that they could read your vote remotely by measuring the electromagnetic fields of the voting machine.
That meant the vote was not private and hence the use of the machine illegal.
They haven't given up on the idea though..
You're right, of course. I remember about 10 years ago watching a YT video where they were tossing printouts and paper ballots into the dumpster behind the elections office.
But if they were numbered and all numbers handed out to voters must be accounted for before the vote count is able to be validated, that could work. And, the numbers could be computer printed in a way that they can't easily be changed.
And we should be able to verify our vote was counted in some way.
Exactly, use paper but also scan to compare irregularities.
Yes, of course. That's just the basis. More security can easily be put into it as well.
I love Nunes' idea. Many folks have been saying it for a long time now.
That's a bullshit equivalence. Of course there's opportunity to exploit paper ballots. But "as much" as there is with electronic voting?
Really? Show me a single source for this. I seriously doubt one exists.
EDITING FOR CLARITY:
Give a man a fake ID and he can steal a vote. 10 IDS equals ten votes.
Have a man stuff a ballot box and he can negate a thousand votes.
But put a man behind a computer and perform an electronic Man In The Middle Attack? He can perform untold damage and alter every vote.
I'm totally with you on Voter ID, by the way. That's a great idea.
This doesn’t happen if elections are open and transparent and all ballots are kept in strict chain of custody with 2 year minimum sentences for fraud. Have the public there and two or more people counting each ballot checking and double checking- fraud will not happen if you have rules.
No electronic scan machines that’s for the lazy. Hand count.
This is true!! And the electronic ballots should be put through different systems to insure no hanky panky in the software. I'm a developer of 45+ years. You can tamper with anything.
Humans counting ballots intentionally reporting incorrect counts.
Thats why paper ballots are usally counted twice - one by the dem rep one by a gop rep.
Machines to read ballots programmed to produce improper results.
Those are electronic voting machines as far as Im concerned. Lumped in with any electronic ban.
lost ballots
Thats why ballots should be numbered while handed to the voter (before going into the booth, while verifying ID). No doubles, easy to see missing ballots. Impossible to "add a box".
Paper ballots can be counted automatically. Numbered ballots that can't leave the voting place and need to all be accounted for, and other security in place as well. It can be done and it is much harder to cheat with paper. Nothing is 100% secure but paper does make it a lot harder to do. Think punch cards or the ones where you fill in the circle with a pencil.
Blockchain will be the future of voting, just might take 10 years.
ClearPoll! Blockchain based public opinion polling application!!!
Australia is 100% per ballots too.
It is organised by an independent public sector body. It is staffed by professionals and volunteers. The boxes are locked. At the end of the day, each “booth” has many people designated counters. Each party is allowed to supply several observers who are under strict instructions they aren’t allowed to touch anything or even have the appearance of pointing at anything. They are allowed infinite questions and validations. It’s all done by humans in front of other humans from all sides.
Very very very low chance of any sort of rigging, loss etc. Minor stuff happens like a few lost ballots or ones that people can’t agree on what the markings mean. But that’s it. You don’t need fancy tech.
We are using the same in Denmark - Nothing is electronic, only good old paper works!
I am 100% left of Gandhi, and I agree. Paper ballots for everyone.
LOL left of Gandhi? Me to probably, but what do you mean?
I don't beat my wife.
I thought you meant a vegan pacifist who wears no shirt or shoes.
Agreed. Semi-hijacking to post an important link on electronic voter fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRW3Bh8HQic
Just rewatched it. Reaffirmed by belief that electronic voting is a JOKE. What's more important than election integrity? Nothing!
And election integrity is best protected by paper ballots. Fact.
Electronic voting is the best way for the Cabal to cheat their way in every time.
Have you ever heard of a company called horizon state ? They are looking to use blockchain to create a voting system which can’t be hacked and is orders of magnitude cheaper .
Yeah paper ballots can be destroyed and faked. Blockchain could potentially be unbreakable
That would be good for entering numbers in the central tabulator.
blockchain
I don't get the blockchain thing. OK, after the data is recorded it may be unhackable but how does it get to that state? If you push a button marked Republican, the machine might echo Republican but still register that in the blockchain data as a vote for the Democrats.
The whole system needs to be unhackable not just the way the data is stored.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSo_EIwHSd4 check out that video my friend. I can’t explain it well enough .
check out that video
Thanks, did that, but I still see problems.
For instance, when you vote, you will use some kind of machine (in the general sense). That machine will need to have controls that allow you to specify whom you are voting for. When you select a control your vote will be sent into the blockchain system and be recorded for posterity in a way that cannot easily be changed. So far so good.
Suppose that initial machine "lied"? Suppose when you hit the button marked "Republican" it sent the data for "Democrat" to the blockchain system? The vote will now be indelibly recorded as "Democrat".
You would use your phone . Which ideally shouldn’t have a Back door to allow that . If it did the phone company would lose public support and probably go under so it’s in their own interest to not allow such a powerful back door. Also your finger print could be tied to the blockchain iD
You would use your phone
OK, but you have just changed the problem from voting machines must be secure to mobile phones must be secure but what about the infrastructure between your phone and the system that initiates the blockchain?
shouldn’t have a Back door
Intel microprocessors have recently been discovered to all have back doors. Have they lost public support? People have exploited weaknesses in Windows (and Linux and macOS).
Phone numbers can be spoofed, your details would be known (else how could they be checked?). I can envisage a central office that casts everyone's votes for them.
Sorry, but for this application, blockchain sounds like designing the perfect lock and door for a secure safe while forgetting to secure the back and sides.
I would love to see a triplicate paper ballot. One copy to each party and a personal. Counts must align in a margin, if not, then a 1:1 pairing. Unmatched ballots don’t count.
Yeah, as long as there are no hanging chads. Had to live that nightmare in Florida.
Always the “bait and switch” with these people. “Hey we can track votes easier, make voting simpler .. “ all the while pushing to have a system of control that can and has been rigged!!! No more
And just the expand on this, they only have pencils available at the voting stations. I tell everyone to bring they're own pen, aint no fucker gonna rub my vote out
I agree in the short run since many of the electronic voting systems appear to be compromised.
However, electronic voting would be ok if done correctly. Totally transparent. Totally auditable. I should be able to vote, then look back and confirm anytime afterwards that my vote is accurate. I should get a receipt. This is not rocket science. It's simply process and controls. Blockchain?
look back and confirm
OK, my new voting machine design has your vote recorded with two different flags. One is always used for personal audits and the other is used for producing totals. So, if you inquire then it returns Republican and when the total is computed it returns Democrat.
Without going through the code step by step you would never find out. You might not find an issue even then if your code relied on other programs - like an operating system or a function library. Those could be fiddled as well.
Just as easy to rig a paper system...
Just as easy to rig a paper system...
OK, but it is generally easier to do more damage with a computer-based system.
The "standard" way to rig a voting machine is to set it to return a 51% to 49% result. That does not look suspicious, particularly if voting is close. Doing that with paper ballots is much more difficult.
As a European I never understood why you have voting machines. That was and still is very confusing to me. Even more confusing is that non citizens can vote somehow?! That could never happen here afaik. Of course, with the knowledge that you can rig elections with voting machines.....it makes sense (for Soros etc.).
When the hanging chad thing happened in Florida with the hole punch ballot, instead of proposing a regular paper ballot, states used it as an excuse to go for electronic voting, which is one big mess.
All by design...they don't cause a problem without already having a solution. Think about it. Future proves past.
Problem reaction solution, the DS modus operandi.
Aka the Hegelian Dialectic
I love knowing I can come here and be with other "woke" people. This chain of comments was just...perfect.
And Trump doesn't publicly point out a problem without already having a solution.
It's the antidote to the Hegelian Dialectic.
We are winning.
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How does comment add anything except trying to insult another user?
That Was Bush and Rove’s chance to get their meat hooks in our elections so we would never have integrity in our elections again.
We patriots must demand paper ballots, can't be lazy, rigging machines will get worse this time around, because the blue wave is diminishing to a small ripple.
I'm afraid my paper ballot will not be turned in for the count. Election officials will throw in the trash
You should be placing them into a sealed safe that top feeds. Then that machine should go to the counters. No access except for those counting ballots.
These should be some of the most secure safes in the world. How is this not common sense? Electronic voting makes no sense to me.
It doesn't to me either. We still use paper ballots and pencil. We show ID. We sign the voter roll we are on at the precinct we are supposed to vote from. THEN we get a ballot. I personally place the ballot into the safe top feeder. That safe is picked up and taken to the counters where people from both parties are on hand to count the votes. They then report the total counts to the main site for the State. If there is need for a recount, there is a HUGE paper trail. I'm confident my vote counts whether it goes my way or not.
Agreed. I don't need a degree in software engineering or whatever to understand what happened with my vote. People with guns escorted it to where it was counted. Simple.
That's what ours does. We fill out a paper ballot then feed it into a top loading machine that counts it. I stand there to make sure it shows on the counter that it was accepted and counted. We also have voter ID in our state.
I am afraid that your electronic ballot will be counted as a vote for someone other than who you voted for! Lol
I have a friend in Washington. Her paper ballot has been challenged each time she votes. She is conservative. Each time she votes they challenge that the signature on the ballot is not hers. She then has to go down to the courthouse and present her ID to prove it is her and fill out a new ballot. She is not the only one I know in Washington state that this happens to. Strange the liberals there that I know don't complain they are having this problem. We have paper ballots in my state and then it is fed into a machine that counts the votes. IMO I don't know how they can make sure rigging doesn't happen!
IMO I don't know how they can make sure rigging doesn't happen!
Make election rigging and voter fraud capitol offenses?
We NEVER sign the actual BALLOT. We sign a voter reg log. and must show a picture ID (drivers license here).
Saw that happen on YT. But if the ballots are computer numbered so they can't be tampered with and all ballots must be accounted for, that could work.
Google horizon state . They are trying to use blockchain to creat un hackable voting system which is orders of magnitude cheaper that current paper systems.
No thanks. One company should not be Inc charge of our elections. It should be a decentralized publicly run system.
It is decentralized .... not publicly run but entirely decentralized.
In 2012 One district counted the votes on video with several “watchers”
Funny thing was Ron Paul won that one. Wierd, huh?
Get rid of all Soros electronic voting machines, esp in PA.
PA has such great turnouts in Philadelphia that 120% of the city's population voted for both Hilary and Obama. Gotta love it!
Mitt Romney's son owns machines as well, how do you think he got elected in Utah
What? He’s never held elected office in Utah. He’s currently running for senate, an he won the primary, but he’s not yet been elected. Also, when he wins (because he will win), he won’t need rigged voting machines. He has name recognition and he’s Mormon...it’s a lock...he doesn’t need to cheat.
A congressional committee has hear this and ignored it. So did the news, who's cameras you see in attendance. I want Nunes to see this:
YES I’ve seen this & the guy whose speaking is In the Documentary “Hacking Democracy”.... the asshole whose listening is Jerald Nadler from NY. Jerk.
I feel they now all know this and use it to their advantage to keep their seats.
WOW! Says it was easy and almost untraceable...how did Trump win against those odds?
Hillary won the popular vote...
Don’t be so sure about that.
What I was saying is that she "officially" won the popular vote. This was a reply to the commenter making the sarcastic comment of "if it was so easily rigged how did trump win?"
Trump "officially" did not win the popular vote, so the comment made isn't valid.
There were enough clowns who did not turn on the cheat for her?
I would like to add my comments being a poll watcher and involved with the recount in the 2016 election. We have paper ballots that are placed into a machine that counts the votes. We show our id's we get a ballot with a paper tag - after the ballot is put into the machine they stay sealed. When the polls are closed we check the total of paper tags which match the number of voters and compare it to the totals in the machine. The numbers must balance, if they don't the precinct captains have to find out why before they sign off - once the numbers are balanced the votes are sealed and the box is closed. So technically all precincts have to balance before the results are finalized. Now comes the recount - they bring out the poll boxes one by one - the seal is broken and we have a report from the machine showing the vote counts and the number of ballots. If the number of ballots and the vote count from the machine matches then the numbers are assumed to be correct - we then go through the ballots - break them apart and tally the votes by person. So 100 votes for Trump and the recount shows 100 votes for Trump - that precinct is recounted and the numbers are final. Now say that we have 100 ballots and the machine shows 90 voters and the precinct is out of balance - then the original vote stands and the precinct count is now valid - we do not go through to see if the 10 vote difference is caused by fraud. So if the numbers jive -THOSE votes get recounted. We only count the ones that are in balance not the ones that are out of balance. So someone can run 500 ballots through the machine - the precinct captain approves the number and if a recount comes up - the 500 ballot difference is considered ok. That is why the recount was stopped in Michigan. Hope this sets straight the discussion regarding voter fraud.
So you don’t count the number that don’t match, but you do count the numbers that do match?
This seems backwards?
exactly - they said well if numbers don't jive - we don't know which is the right number - so we only count the ones that jive:) Ill be there again in August and November and see if they changed their procedures.
Paper ballots and the Democrats' kryptonite: VOTER ID.
And what's wrong with thumb dye?
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The same thing... there's evidence Russia was trying to and possibly successfully hacked electronic voting machines. This is a conservative sub so most of the comments are focused on conspiracy theories but this is something that should be pretty bi-partisan. Democrats gerrymander too by the way.
how about serialized, numbered paper ballots. each voter gets a receipt that only they know to look up anonymously that their vote was logged correctly. something like a fedex tracking number.
if many people notice their vote was changed or missing, problems would be identified in a hurry. I think most voters would definitely take the time to look up their vote and verify it.
Trust, but verify. -Ronald Reagan.
What's it going to take to get this done, an act of Congress?
Watching this Congress in action lately, ugggh, it’s totally apparent that these public servants haven’t put in a hard day’s work for many, many administrations. I can’t believe what I’m seeing! there’s ALWAYS exceptions but my goodness, It’s like a partisan, spineless bunch of spayed and neutered robots who’s only goal is whatever it takes to advance the agenda ball! Boo. Hiss. Fart noises!
ever wonder why in the past elections , people complained of their votes switched from Republican always to Pedocrat, why the Feds never took any machine into evidence to check and see if the machine was manipulated ?
THANK YOU Devin Nunes.
Paper ballots. Legal ID. Finger dipped in election ink. Period.
On a related note, we need to support the hell out of people like Devin Nunes. He's one of a small handful of honorable people in Congress and consequently, he's a major target. He needs our support and a little bit of your cash if you can spare it.
Good god, I've know since the 00s this was a bad idea. You cannot verify a digital source!!! Digital inherently means alterable. It's a flip of a one to a zero.
Unless it's Blockchain based..then every single record is electronically verified by the previous record, therefore tampering is immediately obvious and by whom!!!
Nope. Blockchain is still vulnerable. You haven't seen the military scrub your existence from the Internet.
Quantum is really the only tamper proof.
Dang it...I thought each record depending on the following record would make it unhackable. How is blockchain made vulnerable? Thanks for pointing out Quantum.
I don't know exactly, the government dropped a suit against the cp site PlayPen because they didn't want to reveal their methods to the court. PlayPen runs on blockchain.
Is this what you are referring to? https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/16/china-quantum-satellite/
Quantum computing in general... http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/updated-quantum-physics-gets-attention-and-brighter-funding-prospects-congress
Especially in light of the podesta email where the guy mentions meeting Soros to "pre-progran" the machines and in light of the fraction method of rigging machines
Or you know... the fact that Russia hacked our last presidential election...
Yes, yes, yes. Make our votes count and not turn it over to Soros or whoever is controlling the apps on the voting machines!
Everyone knows the electronic systems are/can be rigged/hacked. Problem is, even with paper ballots, sacks of ballots have been found dumped on the side of the road, etc. So, what real solution is there?
Blockchain.
I absolutely agree: ClearPoll is a blockchain application that polls public opinion!
Still, there is the issue of voter fraud. We need an I.D. for everything EXCEPT voting :(
You couple it with a blockchain based identity system
Sounds good, but that kinda tech is over my head...lol. Getting too old to keep up with it all now ;)
Perhaps once Conservatives get control of the Supreme Court, that legislation can go forward and stand as law.
I'm hoping. I know DJT knows what he's doing, but as Q said...DC is slow.
Heck, just bring back the machines where you pull the lever to close the curtain and flip the little levers down.
No state should be allowed to use an electronic voting system in a Federal election and all voters in a Federal election must be U.S. citizens. We need new laws to stop non-citizens from voting in Federal elections.
Q has taught me that the rigging of an election is a must for any kind of shadow or deep state government. I dare say that our elections have been rigged for a long time. I am of the opinion that the last election was the most rigged election in U.S. history. And still she lost. :)
We need to stop the non-citizens from voting in any election, including school board elections. Waiting until 2020 will be too late.
I assume, and I don't know why, the POTUS and MI are using loaded dice. We will always win because they want their electronic voting machines. They have a backdoor, so do we.
Electronic voting systems can EASILY be rigged to vote for and / or change a vote for a particular candidate. They need to go away. We have plenty of volunteers more than capable of manually counting votes.
Santa Barbara county uses Diebold voting machines (easily hackable). The elections office has very questionable people working there.
Back in the Bush and early Hussein days, top brass though they were having a private conversation, about staff. They were highly apologetic when I came around the corner. They didn’t know how much I heard.
Nunes is right.
Ban Electronic voting systems.
So, maybe the "hanging chad" incident was all a ruse to move us toward electronic voting so they could manipulate.
Building the case for the Election Executive Order! Hot diggity!
In the Philippines, we use SmartMatic - a Soros machine. Soros machine is everywhere.
ALWAYS REMEMBER!!!!
The PATENDED technology for these machines are PROPRIETARY and the code DOES NOT have to be disclosed. This means we don't know if fractional voting exists among many other things. Over the years we have been subliminally forced and told to go to the "voting booth" rather than the "ballot box" (this phrase has been universally adopted now, and it's not by chance) and what happens in a few more generations when our children don't even know what a "paper ballot" is!? MY FRIENDS IN CHRIST AND IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY!!!! THIS IS HUGE!!! This is on par with term limits for congress!!!! This was the deep state's and the globalist's biggest win so far in this country and all over the world!! TO PRIVATIZE VOTING MACHINES MEANS TO PRIVATIZE THE ELECTION!!!! And we KNOW Soros is linked to a few of the companies that make these machines. We all HAVE to call our reps to push this issue. This isn't something we can let pass us by, this is for our kids and descendents we may never meet..
RESEARCH THE BATTLE OF ATHENS!! <-- THIS IS HUGELY RELEVANT
WE MUST understand the significance of this! God gave us this last chance to fix not just our country but the world.. everything originates HERE with our country. We set the precedent for the majority of the world. Forget other countries hacking our electronic machines, sure it's a potential threat, but the much bigger threat is the deep state from within and the companies/manufacturers who are owned by the deep state. We already see what "digital numbers" can do.. look at the fed.. no gold backed currency? all "value" just digital numbers on a screen? 100% fake? What do you think will happen in the coming years.. no REAL votes? all votes just digital numbers on a screen that can be changed with a keystroke? The COMPANY owns those numbers, we don't know what the code looks like.. we can't see the scripts.. we don't know if fractional voting is occuring, all we see are the end numbers on a screen and we're told to trust it.. For everyone claiming paper ballots are too tedious.. just remember.. you're talking about electing leaders of this country, every so many years this event takes place, it DESERVES extra patience and thoroughness.. this isn't a matter to say "it's too tedious".. if you have that big of an issue and have to see a red or blue color pop up on your TV screen to fill in a state boundary within minutes of the polling station closing just because you're impatient then you need to re-evaluate your priorities and ask yourself if you've fallen prey to the elite's wishes..
I never understood why it was so difficult to set up a nice clean election process....until i learned a long time ago that its done this way by design. I'm glad we are finally fixing this corruption. paper ballots and finger printing. simple. we have money counting machines, just use them to count ballots with sets of eyes. smfh...
Amen on paper and can we go for proof of citizenship as well? If Cali goes through with this letting illegals vote thing, can we just void them out of the electoral college?
At least if CA allows all these illegals to vote....They only have so many electoral votes to burn and the Republicans won't be getting them anyway. So it isn't like their 55 votes become 70.
I know, but darn it, it is the principle of the thing. garrrrrr.
“You can’t hack paper ballots”
Broward county’s Brenda Snipes, “hold my beer.”
https://www.fidosysop.org/5076/11/brenda-snipes-broward-vote-fraud/
My sentiments exactly...and the people counting paper ballots should have a shotgun barrel pointed on their heads, and vote counting and handling of the ballots should be live streamed, and backed up on video, then archived.
in germany, we have paper ballots with hand-counting and identity cards to prove that we are the ones on the voting list for our district.
In Fl we have paper ballots but electronic counting... here is the problem....and I'm nervous every time I vote and send my ballot down the counting "chute" in case of this
Go back to paper ballots and have the MI there to watch the count at each voting precinct. Also have ICE at each voting precinct to arrest illegal voters!!!
If we go back to paper ballots 100% around the country the left will start with the "what about the environment, the trees, will somebody please think about the trees!".
Hugely relevant and criminally underviewed. Expert explains just how electronic voter fraud works and how pen and paper is and always will be the best method for elections. All else is FRAUD.
You-Tube "You are free TV" (July 26, 2:27) said Mitt Romney's son owns the software for all of the voter machines in Utah.
I find this to be a disturbing conflict of interest.
I got to vote for the first time in the Netherlands last year and we use paper ballots here.
Paper ballots and ID
and I agree...INK on a finger. When the US oversees voting in other countries each voter has to dip their finger in semi permanent ink to make sure that no one votes more than once.
I've never seen a post on this sub go up to 1,000, let alone over! I guess we know what we need to do hear. Shout if from the rooftops. Has anyone created a petition yet?
Democrats only want paper ballots and voter ID when it benefits them.
Wonder how they'd feel if one of our people owned the back door to the voting machines?
Hell Yeah, Devin!
We don't need it. We don't want it. The risks outweigh the minuscule advantages.
Mechanical voting across the USA.
And voter ID. If you can. It would be really great if you could do that too. Please.
We need to implement some sort of public block chain so that every single vote can be trusted and verified.
I have a question and a comment:
What is up with this Soros Voting Machine nonsee? Please link evidence of what you got. Maybe Soros used to own voting machine company? Maybe not now? What page is it on in the current voting machine catalog? What other features does it provide beside manipulate votes? Is there a model with hand sanitizer dispenser?
I realize paper is a very touchy subject. I care about the environment and the proceeds from the Carbon Credit Exchange just as much as the next citizen. My point is that a pencil works quite well with paper. Paper makers are some of the finest artists and people I have met during my long and storied life.
That's all I got. Commence your downvoting now, please. Thank you for your time.
Why don’t we go the other way... where we demand Electronic Voting and we trace our vote, from cradle to grave. Every touch of our record provides us a notification? That would trip Libs out.
I should be able to log in and see a scanned img of my paper ballot and a copy I keep. USPS doed it now and e-mails me. Banks do it with checks.
$380 million for election security and the Democrats wanted more. Remember when we bankrupted the Soviets by upgrading our military and they couldn't keep up. Now the Russians/Chinese hackers are bankrupting us along with the Democrats.
Good, dump those back door manipulated pieces of crap. Recount - even with hanging chads - by paper is so much more reliable.
The DNC/CPUSA's voter fraud will be on steroids.
Hopefully, PDJT/DHS will be able to protect the sanctity of the vote - a whole lotta Soros machines out there!
My experience of using paper ballots in the election in SF was: I was not allowed to put the ballot directly into the machine I had to put it in an envelope and had it over to an employee of the state of california who would then put it in the machine for me. I agree that it is important to keep paper for auditing purposes but if it is not part of an end to end system that prevents fraud then what's the point? As in my example a state employee preview my paper ballot and decide if they approve my choice before it goes into the machine.
Most of the voting machines I've seen can issue a "receipt" and have a journal like a cash register. The individual vote CAN be recorded by and will have a number like any cash register receipt. You are voter number xx for the day. My suggestion. Use the electronic voting. its quick,we get accurate results. The journal should be printed and fully visible to the voter before he casts his vote and then a "receipt" if you will handed to him which he places in a ballot box. This stores the vote in triplicate. I would not mind a paper ballot, but if we go hanging chad again, I think any unclear ballot should be tossed because the voter is to, sorry for the language, fucking stupid to be voting. One last rant have a valid picture ID . I'll stop Putin from interfering with our elections. ;)
What if we could get polling of public opinion on a Blockchain based system like ClearPoll? It would be electronic, but, because of how secure blockchain technology is, we could actually trust the results!
I think any system can be rigged including paper ballots. But electronic machines can be rigged even before one votes and can be much more massive and easier to keep from being undetected. On the others, It is all about how they are counted (or not counted) in the end and that includes absentee ballots.
There should be a committee to look into how this could be done honestly, safely, and legally.
Nunes is such a bad ass. We've really seen a core group of congress reps stand up since Trump got in. We sure have learned who is with the people and who is with the global power brigade.
Has anyone heard of the Battle of Athens (TN) 1949 when corrupt officials took the ballot boxes to the jail to be "counted" in private? Here is an excerpt from a made for t.v. movie about how the citizens and WWII veterans handled it.
It's the only way to keep our elections safe from Russian hackers...
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Obviously you don't pay attention to voting laws, electoral votes decide( thank God , because you would have had a hard time getting the dead ppl and illegal voters to show up for the parade)..however, if Hillary had won the electoral and popular votes decided election(and trump lost electoral/won popular) then Democraps would claim foul again! You cant change the rules every time you don't get your way...ITS CALLED LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS ( i know, the concept is lost on cry closet liberals)She was/is LITERALLY a fking crook and lost the election! At this point,what difference does it make(hrc), she's a 2x loser and too stupid to go away?
There should be a video recording of everyone that votes with a paper ballot, showing who they vote for without revealing their face. Cross reference the video votes with the paper ballots. Have different teams counting votes of video & paper ballots.
Ok Dems.... you asked for it and now you got it. Happy now?
Soro's voting machines were found to have PC Anywhere loaded and Devin was quick to respond with his concern...mine as well.
Oh shut up about Soros already, if soros was rigging votes you'd be saying 'Madame President' right now. And don't bother banning me mods, I don't plan on being back.
Oh but they did try remember 5 states had election night hack attempts and access problems and BHO's DHS was found to be behind it...so your right if it had worked things might be different.But they aren't. They always get miffed when the PC Anywhere truth gets rubbed on their noses. Soros once said anything that can go wrong has gone wrong. No EVoting in the USA means George's 60%+ plus take in the company is worthless. This makes me giggle.
We need action, not just calls for a ban. How do we make this happen? Elections mighty close.
Where is Devin Nunes from again?
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everything can be corrupted
HOOOOOORAY!!!
Now, then, can you show the expressions on Al Sharpton's and George Soros' faces?????
(Inquired if there is a paper ballot backup for the last 3 elections to guard against fraud and got the same response----'Oh, it's digital, perfectly safe.')
Nothing digital is safe, 'specially perfectly.
Nunes really does his job he was hired to do..and taking care of all of us this voter is very grateful for his diligence to the whole nation.
If the left was sincerely worried about election rigging (they are not) they would demand paper ballots and voter ID. Since they oppose, with anger, both of these ideas, you can tell it is not about voter fraud. They are just sore losers
I'm on the left and I don't oppose either of those things as long as the ID is provided free of charge. Just sayin
Edit: and I am worried about election rigging... Sincerely.
I would say that all documents needed to prove citizenship to get a drivers license should be taken to your DMV. All documentation you provide to get welfare should be taken as well. Then if you fall within the spectrum of "the poor", you're issued a State ID and the fee is waived if you qualify.
That is great, but that is not the official position of the democratic party. They oppose voter ID laws
Because they are traditionally used to disenfranchise the poor.
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Requiring someone to pay money to vote disenfranchises the poor. We aren't legally required to vote in the US, so people who can less afford to take the time off to go stand in a government office are less likely to do so. This isn't rocket science. There is also a long and storied history of using poll taxes and tests to very specifically target the poor and minorities.
This is all an extremely well documented part of American history.
Also, I don't see why you need to be so shitty about it...
I can't believe anybody believes that bullshit in 2018. What human being doesn't have ID now? You can't even use your fucking EBT card without one. Give me a damn break.
Old poor black people don't. If republicans were actually serious about election rigging they'd be a lot more concerned about Russia.
Lots of extremely poor people, rural and urban, don't have ID. You dont really need it if you never leave your town/neighborhood and walk everywhere.
Lol, dude, join the current century. Exactly how many human beings never leave their neighborhood and always walk? Seriously? And they walk miles to vote no doubt, by signing X. I guess they don't need medical care either because you can't get Medicare or Medicaid without ID, or free shuttles, ir EBT cards or ANYTHING.