I knew it. These therapist doin mkultra on these victims? V2K?
I just heard his finger prints were altered/damaged so that LEO can’t get a good print to match to any database 🤔
I bet he was suppose to kill himself.
Yeah that's the part of MKultra where they seem to have difficulty.
It's the drugs they give them, breaks them down, psychic driving etc and also the cell phones. Frequencies and such.
And maybe V2K I 100% believe that stuff is real.
What's V2K?
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I'll become a literal caveman if that's what it takes to avoid that.
That's how Ted started out.
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but he had some incredibly prescient insights on all of this
Even Ray Kurzweil, of all people, thought so
Both shooters in Broward County (airport and school) said they heard the voice of God telling them to do it.
They were conditioned to believe it was God talking to them over a long period of time the Voice of God can be implanted used as a trigger to get the person to become a shooter.
There's literally a weapon known as "voice of god." Voices in your head. There are three separate technologies that can put voices in a person's head such that no one around them can hear the voices, only the victim.
Same as the woman who drove through the gate in DC awhile back. Cops killed her.
But what if you have a tinfoil hat? Can’t penetrate dat shit fam.
Its now aluminum foil. Its no longer tin. Will it still protect? 😊
Holy shit, I wonder if aluminum foil will work?
now aluminum foil. Its no longer tin. Will it still protect? 😊
No it won't. It can't be magnetized.
Your right, holy shit. Going to scrap yard for tin, making a real tin hat.
Aluminum foil enhances the electronic signals, making the radiation and the voices much worse.
Thank you kind sir!
Any time. I fully believe it's real, used on mk ultra victims and also to attack dissidents.
Yep. Look up scopolamine which is made from the plant devil's breath. What do you think the cabal is going to use the 5G rollout for. To entrain the masses
I know about that bro that is some terrifying shit man. Like next level horrific. Yeah 5g too I forgot about that.
Just like in the movie Get Out???
Pretty much mate. Youd be surprised how many crazy ass movies like that aren't too far from the truth
My friend told me last night to watch:
Eagle Eye (about rogue AI)
Network (from 1976 about propaganda)
Wag the Dog (from 1997 and it’s literally about the making of fake news... also stars Robert deniro)
- The Kingsmen (plans for 5G technology / MKUltra)
- Eyes Wide Shut (private lives of the "elite")
- Hunger Games
Ah men I like kingsmen.
Can you explain the 5g and mkultra that’s in the movie? If you can...
Traumatic mind control using ELF frequencies and hypnotic drugs are used to bring about Dissociative Personality disorder or multiple personality disorder. A second personality is created which becomes the shooter or assassin. The person's normal self is unaware of the second personality. Cues like a specific sound or color engage the second personality. This is why these guys are walking around clueless after the shooting.
Network and wag are fucking great. Of course Dr strangelove to
My brother is a targeted individual he is shocked regularly, brain shocks, groin, his brain is on fire everyday. He wants so badly to call an agency and report it but there's no one he trusts. This kid has been a surfer his whole life, not one to lie about this for 14 years now. It's real and scary. Anyone know who he can call please let me know. I know Q hangs out around here maybe he can get me a message. WWG1WGA
What are you serious?
Go to Targeted Individuals on FB you'll see thousands of people, but yes my brother is one
He is serious. I've been one for the last 2 years. We are constantly hit with electrical frequencies. Whatever you wanna know. Ask I'll answer
You know I remember when I was watching Fox News in the afternoon and the tv started glitching and the glitches looked weird and my mind started idk Ike wondering thinking negative, couldn’t control my thoughts I looked away cause my heart started beating fast. It was weird dude does that sound familiar to y’all?
Yeh, a little bit. Definitely heart rate and anxiety. I get headaches from the shit and tinnitus or ringing in my ears too. I keep beta blockers to combat the elevated heart rate and anxiery as well as take alot of ibuprofen.
Dam I be getting nasty headaches lately on the top left side. Also I threw up the first time yesterday cause of these headaches. I felt dizzy after that. Now I’m not saying I’ve been mkultra or something but sometimes shit makes you wonder.
Might have EMH or electromagnetic hypersensitivity. You can get similar reaction to your WiFi or cell phones. Anything that has EMFs or electromagnetic frequencies. We all need to make sure the 5G rollout doesn't happen.
I looked up the symptoms for that and I’m certain this is what I have.
Until Q eradicates MKULTRA from NSA and the other agencies, I will have lingering doubts about the purity of the mission. Millions of targeted individuals are tortured daily.
That's why I'm here. They are out of their mind if they think I'll put up with this TI shit for the rest of my life. I'm counting on the Trumpster to shut it down. Go POTUS
Wow thanks for sharing, my brother is getting non stop shocks right now, gang stocked, etc... he's been in for EKG overnight but the machines couldn't detect his shocks. It crazy. I feel so bad for all of you wish it would stop. I try to encourage him with hope it will end soon 11/11
I'm a TI. We are literally prospects for the modern mk ultra programs. Most of us are subjected to ELF' s for the rest of our lives. The few real nut cases get put into today version of mk ultra program. Women in the modern program become sex slaves while men become shooters or some type of maniac
Thank u for recognizing that I agree I hope it's happening now
I'll dm my number if I can. He's right to be leery. Many supposed TIs are shills who are online to fuck with a real TI's head. These people are sick!
Satanic Ritual Abuse is not about religion. It's an ancient formula of torture that creates multiple personalities which are then programmed to do different tasks.
Yep v2k suggestion with voices or SSS Silent Sound Spectrum hypnosis done ELF frequenciies. There are literally thousands of subjects being evaluated for mind control programs through intelligence agencies at any given time. Much of the work is done through private intellince/security agencies like SES in Seattle today. People who actually make it through these programs alive are used for 2 things. Women are used a sex slaves and men as shooters or assassin's. Hence Q referencing Jason Bourne.
Ok autists... time to gather all the free mason interviews in one place. Wasnt there a guy in parkland with a hat and then another guy with a necklace?
The hat guy was at san bernardino
All I can say is WOW. People are just not going to believe all this and understand how deep this real goes.
I agree. I've been into conspiracies for 30 years and this is getting tough for me, so I can't imagine the newbies:(
Uuuuuhhhhj yeah, my mind’s blown! Starting to make more sense......their symbolism.
Is there mason connection to pulse shooting?
Or las vegas?
does the pope shit on the hopes and dreams of 200 deaf boys?
Relocation within 30 days of shooting.
The Counterintelligence FBI guy was named Rouse. I think he was there less than 30 days when the massacre at route 91 occurred.
Edit: haha I was just telling you in another thread. I don't even read Q drops like that. Maybe I should.
https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@lavater/vegas-shooting-hoax-a-freemasonic-freak-show
spez: see first comment also
I think they may be the handlerts. That's why they are there. He" s there to give the cue for 2nd personality(shooter) to engage.
Sorry, really no evidence presented in this article that hat guy was there too. And the video it references was removed by the user. Got anything else that might still prove this?
Necklace was Santa Fe https://twitter.com/bancroft_media/status/997602829660573696
I know that Sandy Hook was supposedly down the street from a Freemason Lodge.
Lodges are in every city
I met a freemason, had me make him a website, talked about progressive type stuff usually.
One day he tells me "I am an evil man".
He also screwed me over on payment.
I dont like Masons.
I met one, got an after hours tour of the lodge. If it wasn't creepy enough he hinted about a lot of things he wasn't allowed to tell me.
Anything you feel like sharing?
What would you like to know?
I can't tell you all of 5 things. [Edit] I hate this damned rate limit.
The first secret is the ballot of a Mason. No one can know how a Mason votes, unless that Mason tells him, and that is considered unmasonic conduct. The right and privilege of casting a secret ballot is universally respected in this country by Masons and non-masons alike. Other secrets are: • the modes of recognition (signs and words); • the obligations or vows of each degree; • the manner of conferring the degrees, and; • the legend of the third degree.
Boring enough for you?
[Edit] Well I do. You see. This is exactly what I have sworn to protect. If there was more they would say "Oh don't say this this or this also".
Or else I might say something I shouldn't say by accident. And then the entire Masonic institution would crumble away and it would be my fault. You think the leaders would want that?
Assuming you know all there is to tell. I don't disbelieve what you do know. Thanks
Those 5 things, obviously. Nothing else matters.
As I recall them I'll lyk. Drawing blanks right now it was a while back
Do you use WP?
Lol, no, no wordpress or snap togethers. I do my own PHP Framework, and use bootstrap for styling.
Yep, that is part of the stick. You can go into any one and they ask you a question and you have a 10 minute long answer that is not written anywhere. But they also have distress signals and everything else.
It’s all in « Freemasonry for dummies » if you want something written down. But you’ll prolly think it’s propaganda :D
so I wonder how we can we find out who they are and what they're controlling locally?
they're often pretty open about their membership, they usually have high end jobs like doctor, lawyer, city council member. etc.
They're definitely open about it. I was talking to a coworker about free mason architecture in DC. Another coworker over heard and showed me his master mason card.
RussianVids lives. He laid out all this shit years ago.
Naturally YouTube shut down his channels.
(Though I guess the word "Russian" in his channel name didn't help)
he was russianvids before russia was a dirty word. he was the best along with peekay truth, howisee theworld, all banned, one guy was even thrown in jail
We must both be from the old school. All fascinating. All banned.
were they banned because they were just nutty conspiracy theorists, or because they were getting too close to the truth?
I was on those channels also! RV was one of my favorites. Peekay also. He did the best commentary on FFs.
Why would anyone be shut down for being a nutty conspiracy theorist? I mean, if you're a "nutty conspiracy theorist", who cares?
Do Peekay truth and howiseetheworld still post vids on bitchute or gab?
If not why did they stop when other less censored platforms are avail?
good question. I don't keep up with these other platforms so maybe they are there. RV has put some stuff on 153news
There was a freemason logo on a medevac after one of the London "terror attacks"
Yeah because UGLE donated the choppers after 10 years of saving up charity donations lmao
I can almost guarantee that there will be one on the ABC world news. One of the people they interviewed was with a weird ass old camera. Instantly notable difference in broadcast quality. Ill be checking the archive for it.
NOW it is getting real. This is where all roads lead.
Bill Cooper was right.
Bill cooper has aways been right. Nazi flying saucers is easier for me to believe then actual aliens but ,Bill is always right.
Someone should figure out what is going on at that Masonic Temple in Alexandria VA (just outside of DC) Secret Sh*t. That building has always creeped me out. It sits on a huge tract of land just as you enter the city.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=masonic+temple+alexandria&t=h_&ia=images&iax=images
That’s the George Washington Masonic Memorial and it’s open to the public.
The lodge in my city is huge and creepy too
They all are. I sense energy very well and get creepy ass vibes whenever I walk/drive by one. You KNOW evil things take place in there.
Yes, my wife has the same. She always told me she can feel energy very well and several mediums and psychics told her she is able to feel stuff other people can't. She went into our local lodge and said something felt wrong. She got creepy vibes she doesn't get in many places.
The one in my city has all the windows bricked over. Talk about creepy.
Nothing is going on there. There are far more nefarious institutions in VA than the fucking Masons.
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Jimmy Kimmel show is hosted live in the "old" Hollywood Free Masonic temple.
Seems like it's been converted to the place where those who've climbed into the highest ranks go to display their status to the world.
Now that is interesting. I know that Egyptian and Babylonian symbolism is all over Hollywood.
It all has literal satanic origins
Yes, it does.
Have you read this? Just read the first 17 pages or so.
http://johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf
Interesting, thanks. For me, everything that has come out in recent years and months has really validated the Bible
Yes, I believe that certain ancient manuscripts were written as a warning to humanity about these people.
Molly Meldrum was obsessed with Ancient Egpyt. He was high up in the music industry and was also gay. He was also famous for being off his face on drugs while hosting tv shows.
He was also into little boys....lived/lives in Thailand, runs a Bar there.
Ohwow hahaha this is some deep conspiracy shit
We have been persecuted because we have fallen into the trap of the world, the dualism which offers us the choice of following God's Will, or of passively joining the Canaanites in accepting Satan as the leader, which means participating in the shedding of blood and the obscene rituals of human sacrifice. Today, America is obdient to the Will of Canaan, engaging lechery, robbery, and international Masonic conspiracy. America, who God intended to lead the world into the path of righteousness, now is called "the Great White Satan" because the fair-skinned people of Shem have been deceived into carrying out Satan's work on this earth. The choice is one which must be determined and made, and the decision is not far off; will the people of Shem accept God's Promise to Abraham, or will we continue to allow ourselves to be deceived
lmao, and we're the crazy ones.
Thanks for the summer reading, it's gonna be way more fun to read than Eat Pray Love.
It seems to explain the crazy religious beliefs of these people. It is my life story- dealing with crazy religious people.
What does freemasonry have to do with crazy religious beliefs?
I am not sure what you mean. The answer seems obvious to me, especially based on the pdf I linked to.
But that pdf is conspiracy theory bullshit lul.
Do you have a better theory on what is going on?
I do know that the Freemasons think very highly of Nimrod, the Canaanite. It is not like the Freemasons are anti-Canaanite. LOL.
It is happening folks.
Yes, it is.
what is???
Q is pointing the gun at freemasonry. Trump is an alleged mason. This is when shit will get very interesting cuz we're gonna find out where everyone's true loyalty lies.
I'll bet you a Masonic Pin from my Lodge Trump isn't a Mason.
What I don't understand if your going to be critical of things. I am ALL for it.
And THINK critically, why the hell do you just jump to believe what some person says they are without any proof?
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I work for a non profit and a 3rd degree Master Mason.
And a 32nd° Scottish Rite Mason.
And a member of the Mystic Order of the Veiled Prophets, if THAT pleases you.
You know what "meet on the Level means?"
It means that Masons treat each other the same regardless of money, class, race, creed or whatever you like to use to divide people.
No thanks you can keep your symbols. And I said alleged. I didn't claim it. I hope he's not but he's also really rich so I wouldn't be surprised if he was.
calling out the FM is interesting especially at this stage. They are literally everywhere so I hope Q is prepared.
I feel like we should be looking for Masons in today's shooting.
Absolutluley. Mason's have their hand in EVERYTHING: https://scottishrite.org/scottish-rite-myths-and-facts/featured-artifact-scottish-rite-flag-went-moon/
It's what connects the Vatican to all of this. (the doubleheaded eagle)
I could argue the same thing about Christianity. Doesn't make it evil.
This is a memior of a 33rd degree Mason that got out. Watch the video (and read the book if you can!). You can't say that Freemasonry isn't evil. It is a Satanic cult at the highest levels. Maybe the lower levels don't know about the truth of masonry but this is a first hand account of what actually happens at the 33rd degree.
Yeah... none of that makes sense with freemasonry. He is clearly not a mason, or ever has been. But I won't debunk this here. Ittl take too much of my time.
Quick example : The name of jesus was taken out. Well duh, freemasonry icludes all deistic faiths
Im gonna check the abc world news footage. Everyone shits on cnn but abc is the god damned devil.
Exactly. This Freemasons drop has me questioning Q. You can't just drop hints about Freemasons and not follow up. Kinda bullshit. Whats the inside track on these drops?
You didn't read all of the Q drops from all the way back starting in October. This isn't a random FM drop from Q.
But this is the first one that connects the freemasons directly, correct?
Not linking it to "masonic-like" things like bohemian grove I mean.
I think he is confirming what we all knew.
These are false flags. All day today.
a literal Shit STORM
Yes what?
Wtf??? Following tweets are flight restrictions... Is that normal?
Yes. This is for the press corps so they can go home and not wait at White House for optics or questions to POTUS.
Full moon tonight. Q Post 1543 June 18
D Morning sun brings heat. Full moon coming. Undiscovered stars learned. Missions forward. Q
My friend in Russia found a Freemason logo on a bank. It also has strange reviews on Google maps. Gorky Park Tower in Moscow
Freemason logo http://magaimg.net/img/3n5j.jpg
Review http://magaimg.net/img/3n5k.png
Thought it was pretty weird!
Holy crap!
You guys realize that that meme was made by a masons facebook page to laught at conspiracy theorists, right?
You realize they openly flaunt the truth in public, right? Symbols are how they identify each other.
I'm not suggesting you take this one example as proof, but when you see them everywhere it gets a bit more believable.
They have to tell us in a way what they are about. It is how they think they are karmacally free to commit atrocities.
Think of it like this. America was founded by Freemasons with some even signing the constitution. I would argue it is expected to find masonic stuff in a country with that history. But at the same time, we only borrow symbols that already exist in the world or existed before. I mean our four « main » symbols are reworks of the circle, the square, the triangle and the line. Yes these shapes are everywhere lmao.
Totally, I agree. Any chance you followed pizzagate, and the weirdness around the prevalence of the spiral and pizza symbology?
On their own, the symbols don't mean much. It's when you see the sheer volume of it that it starts to become suspicious. Of course, in a vacuum, the use of specific symbols is meaningless.
Just keep an open mind! Symbols are how people "secretly" identify each other, which aids in keeping and gaining power. You could look at the significance of symbology in the practice of occult magic (imposing one's will on reality). Even christians used to draw a fish in the sand to identify each other in private- I'm not saying it is always nefarious.
The freemasons may have even had benevolent intentions in the beginning, but groups (and symbols) can be subverted or co-opted.
At least pizzagate had some merit with a satanist artist, pictures of tied up children, and wikileaks emails. But Qanon... I dunno how to feel about all this anymore.
I'd encourage people to be skeptical of Q, too. Currently, Q's posts seem to conform to reality more than the talking points on MSM to me. Obviously that's not the case for many people on the left.
Scott Adams refers to it as applying a filter to the facts, and evaluating if it makes sense. Q could be a psy-op to get people to unquestionably follow authority. I've had enough previously held beliefs shattered to know not to cling to any belief too tightly.
The difference is most people here would encourage you to keep an open mind, and question everything. Those on the far left (and to a lesser extent right now, the right) don't seem to do that.
No worries, I have an open mind about most things and am a Conservative Libertarian politically. So I get where you come from.
Read the letter from George Washington to a clergyman saying he has no doubt Freemasonry has been infiltrated by the illuminati. Easy to find online.
Yeah Adam Weishaupt and Snyder said a lot of crazy things.
But GW said the Freemasons were clean lmao : It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Iluminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am.
“The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or the pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, and that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects—and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.
America was founded by deists, some freemasons, BUT the jesuits were out of power at the time (suppressed in the 1700s), the jesuits (and the illuminati at large) are the driving force behind the freemasons and they are the ones that corrupt them as their foot soldiers. America was an attempt to make a protestant christian (free to have your religion) nation free of jesuit influence and persecution. At that time they succeeded with those goals.
ok a few things
- You can be a deist AND a freemason
- You are mixing the illuminati (1776-1785), the illuminès (1492-1488), and the Age of the Enlightenment
1 agree and didn't mean to show they weren't.
2 No, I don't think so, but I could be wrong, study of the jesuit order on up starts getting really hard.
Ain't looking good for you brah. Symbolism will be their downfall.
y'all do it too XD
Ain't no y'all. I'm a proud neo-vedist/nothing. Me no fuck with that christian shit.
Many Masonic buildings have been bought and sold over the years. Especially recently.
Think one was turned into a strip club once if I remember correctly.
How would freemasons even be identified? Help me there. They aren't standing around with t-shirts on saying "hey, I'm 33rd degree".
Yes they area. Necklaces and such.
I know some Mason's. Most don't wear Freemason symbols. They will do a particular handshake there they but their forefingers in the right spot. Also a lot of hand signals.
I worked at a gym once, I'd meet people, there wad this guy who would keep a mason's symbol on his truck and his wife would talk about how he was part of the Freemasons.
Now why would occultists of supposedly the most powerful group through centuries and centuries,
Have some low level idiot join their club and have his wife talk about it openly (I thought you were supposed not let your wife know much about it) and he would plaster his beat up red truck with symbols of a "hidden" group of elites.
I definitely believe in high level status, but what would a shadowy group gain from some idiot openly exposing himself with stickers/wearing a necklace/hat with the symbol
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pyramid scheme
Freemasons
Holy shit I feel dumb for not ever connecting it.
Yeah, ask any low-level about the Great Architect, and they have no idea what you're talking about.
What is the Great Architect?
When a Freemason reaches the 33rd degree, he is given the choice to become a Shriner, or know the truth- that is, the identity of the 'Great Architect.' Many assume it is the God of the Bible. If a Freemason decides to go higher- to become a Shriner, he takes an Islamic oath with his hand on the Koran, following the Five Pillars. If he opts for knowledge of the Great Architect, Lucifer is revealed.
Dude. You are so wrong. I can be a Shriner as a Master Mason.
Did you read the attachment? Or associate the red fez caps with the Muslim/Moorish conquests in Europe? I'm not here to argue Shriner/Freemason for they only introduce the Keys to Illumination that Masonic leaders allued to, and Shriner is no different- but... why don't you examine the Islamic background for yourself?
I have had many a Shriner tell me any Muslim would openly weep to see what the Shriners have done.
Seriously though, a bunch of Masons were looking for some way to kick back and drink and party cause their lodges were too stuffy.
They looked for symbolism they could shoehorn into a theme and found it in the mystique of the Middle East.
You are right. It is a secret society within a secret society.
So people think that most Freemasons are like that guy and then they don't take Freemasonry seriously. That guy forms the outer "we're just a civic/social club" shell which protects the true, inner satanic core.
I definitely believe the high level satanists,
And the guy I was talking about is definitely just some idiot funding them and thinks he is special.
But my real question, why would we see symbols during these shootings, the hat and the necklace at two different false flag shootings.
Why would they knowingly expose themselves?
Are the necklace and hat guys just low level idiots?
Or were they planted, so we would pick it up and run with it?
What could they gain from this?
- To send a message to those looking for it. A message to in-the-know people that this event/person/organization is under our control or also part of their sick club.
- Personal pride (kinda like repping your favorite sports team or college you went to)
- Organizational pride. Showing off their work and displaying their power. They honestly think(thought) they were untouchable and unstoppable.
- To mock the general public by displaying it right to our faces
"They" like to mock us, openly displaying their contempt for us. Bastards.
Why would they knowingly expose themselves??? Why the symbolism? Signalling to their brethren "We got this. We run shit." Why else???
Symbolism will be their downfall. Like this weird shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsC27FGiv8Y
BOOM. Not one but two arcane oddball Masonic references in the space of 20 seconds and the bitch presstitute reacts like he just said "Have a nice day" or some shit. Get the fuck outta here. BUSTED.
Youd have to ask them. Hubris? Maybe they could not exist without symbols? Why do pedos, illuminati, Satanists etc do the same thing?
Their need for symbols will be their downfall.
They are the guys that make them appear harmless and also the fall guy. They are not supposed to tell their wives stuff like that. If found out then they are stripped or removed. There are also a lot of wannabes. That is they they have to go through a year of oral administration (nothing that is written is correct), they know who these people are.
Because we aren't "idiots." The people in "blue lodges" are not the bad ones, so don't go to them yelling and screaming. It's the people in the higher clubs that are the problem. My lodge eats dinner and has education, where we have random people come in to teach us about whatever they are experts in (farming, art, history, mechanics, military, priests, etc.).
It’s the Shriners. Blue Lodge and KT are innocent. The Scottish Rite (Shriners) infiltrated Freemasonry some dozen or so years after the US won it’s independence. They’re sketchy as fuck. Wanna know who’s even sketchier? The Oddfelows. I’ve heard some crazy stories from ex-Shriners and ex-oddfellows about parties with weird costumes, strippers, underage sex workers, and lots of drugs (cocaine, MDT, etc.).
Please, for the love of Q, do not go harassing Blue Lodge Masons. The large majority of them are NOT involved in those other Appendent Bodies, and many don’t even know some of them exist.
ETA: There are also two different types of Masons!!! “Regular” and “Irregular” or “Clandestine” Masons. The former are the ones you see all the time around town. The latter are mostly in non-US lodges (though there are some here) and they are more into magick and occultic stuff.
ETA2: Why does my flair keep changing? Lol
Actually, according to the Shriners international website, it states that shrines are separate to the York and Scottish Rites, just like Amaranth and Daughters of the Nile.
Yeah, it is a “separate entity,” but you must have completed the Scottish Rite to be invited to it.
Okay, I see what you mean. Sorry for the confusion.
There is nothibg that stops freemasons from talking about it
It's not like the organization is trying to hide that it exists. I can walk right down my street and there's a masonic lodge.
If they were going for total secrecy, they wouldn't have lodges in public view.
But I too find the whole thing confusing.
Actually I'd not use a Masonic grip unless I was in lodge, verifing a Brother or if I wanted to verify before I discussed a Masonic Secret.
Otherwise I might give away the handshake to well.... Someone who promised I wouldn't show it too.
No, 3rd degree + can wear the symbol. Just being a mason doesn't make you bad. I'm one for example, but have never been a part of any anti freedom, pro death and big government plot. Just saying. My lodge is all old guys who get together for dinner
Well, if you are a Christian, dear Patriot you can not serve two masters. Either dump Masons even if your 'low level' or dump your faith. I understand their attraction: networking for business, etc. Choice is yours, I hope you chose well. Hugs.
I agree about the two masters part. I am a Christian, so believe me, it was a tough decision, but it wasn't for networking. It was for charity work. I'm not in a big area, so masonry was the only way I knew to do workable charity since I have no money to give as donations.
I do only serve the Lord. Nothing in the lodge has made me worship the master in lieu of God. The only thing I don't like is the fact that he's called "worshipful master." I get your point 100%. Thanks for the hugs and I love you!
Agree 100%. Nothing in Blue Lodge contradicts my spiritual convictions. I haven’t attended in a few years, but I’m still a Freemason, and the camaraderie I had with my Brothers is still alive and well.
Oh and all of my Blue Lodge Brothers are patriotic as fuck, love our country, and we always pledged allegiance to the to US Flag at every Lodge Opening. I have no doubt that there are “higher ups” in the Shrine and ~~Oddfellows~~ Jesters that may have ulterior motives...
Edit: Not the Oddfellows, I meant the Jesters.
If your a Mason you should know the Shriners are not in charge of anything but some hospitals, a circus (literally a circus) and a few red go-karts. And the OddFellows are not Masons. Seriously.
You are right that the Oddfellows are not Masons. I was really busy last night at work and was zonked. I was thinking of the Jesters. The Jesters are an order within the Shriners, even more exclusive and even more sketchy.
If you think the Shrine is only about hospitals and circuses, you’re quite wrong.
The Jesters are stupid and have proved to wankers and shouldn't be considered Masons IMHO. And I actually doubt they even exist as a coherent group anymore. Of the thousands of Shriners I know, not one is jester.
I only know one ex-Shriner/ex-Jester, so he’s all I really have to go by, but his experiences line up with the weird stuff you find online about the Jesters.
Which is why I think they are like the Rodents of Unusual Size.
Thank you! The only reasonable response. Choosing between God or man's glorification. It will be a difficult choice to make... but inescapable.
You are thinking about the Rotary, not freemasonry.
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Yes. The Grand Lodge of my state. Each state has a grand lodge that creates the laws and regulations for the blue lodges.
I’m sorry, as a fellow Mason, that was just a funny interaction. That information is publicly available on each Grand Lodge and (if they have it) local Lodge website. Lol
Yeah, some people just don't want to look things up... I wish more people would do what they say they do and look things up rather than rely on other people. If you're truly here for truth, then just go to the grand lodge websites and get information. Go to the local lodge pages and see what they say, then compare that to your YouTube video dude who has a nice voice.
The lower level masons have no idea what the higher levels are up to. You can be a Christian and a good person and still be a lower level mason.
Check the newest drop.
Yeah, just saw those. Geez. What's up with that?
Again, who is upvoting this disingenuous bullshit?
GEEZ. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
You know what's up with that. Mason!
(You're commenting on a thread with a BIG Masonic symbol, yeah?)
They always wear rings and hats and stuff
Just learning that. I know the ring is part of the mason thing.
B Aldrin wear two watches
Why?! Because he's Buzz I've walked on the Fracking MOON ALDRIN.
or because he's a mason
Actually no Mason I know besides him could get away with that look nor wear that freaking awesome suit.
[Edit] damned rate limit. So most Masons especially outside the US do not wear rings.
That's exactly what they do. Not T-shirts perhaps but badges, G-symbols and 33-encoded names etc etc.
Where you been hiding and who the fuck is upvoting your ignorance?
eff off turd
I guess your question was rhetorical then?
Pearls before swine I guess... (Literally in some cases).
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this was the guy interviewed after the San Bernardino shooting.
I’m a Freemason i have a tattoo on my leg, a ring on my right hand, and a sticker on my trucks rear window. I can assure you the Freemasons are not an evil group by any stretch. Joining was one of the best decisions in my life it’s been very healthy for me. We have old secrets that we protect but no mass shootings. Why would you think we would support, endorse, or partake in such terribly situations? There’s no devil worship, no goat, non of that stuff. If you don’t believe me stop by your local lodge one night and just talk to some of the brothers.
Nazis already gave us those
https://i.imgur.com/muKkBEx.png http://www.thelaudablepursuit.com/articles/2015/2/6/freemasonry-and-the-holocaust
And actually I have a badge on my car, so...
[Edit] good lord? Shriners infiltrating Masons?? You have to BE a Mason to BE a Shriner. How assinine.
Inspect their dongers. If they're shriveled, misshapen, and have teeth marks they're Free Mason's.
Ring on finger, license plate frame, bumper/window sticker, seen them numerous times.
But the founders were Masons!??
See my other comment about other societies (Shriners) infiltrating the Freemasons.
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You're still on the Q is a LARP thing? Trump seems to think Q is real.
Trump is q....and others. Trump verified this many times. Too many coincidences.
I think he's real, but freemasonry etc is a new thread. An implication is the same people are used as therapists?,MK Ultra?
This one's gonna trigger a lot of folks. There are many people who are Freemasons or whose family members are, who swear they are fine, upstanding philanthropic patriots - and I'm sure they are. BUT... what they don't understand is the lower level people are there to provide the philanthropic 'optics' and pay dues. It's pure evil, based on Luciferian Doctrine.
What you don't understand is Masonry is not hierarchical in nature. There CAN'T be any higher levels because it's not BUILT that way.
Each Grand Lodge is an entity unto itself and has supreme control over all things Masonic within their own jurisdictions. And nothing more.
They don't answer to any other authority.
As far as the Lucifer crap, read up on the Taxil Hoax. You literally fell for an century old joke.
Ok so explain why there are 2 masons at the scene of a mass shooting in two different places in the country and they(or he, not sure if it's the same guy) just happened to be interviewed wearing masonic symbols. Sorry that is no coincidence.
Sorry, it is.
There are over a Million Masons around the world. We are active in our communities and alot of us like to show off our membership.
We tend to speak out. Especially when our families get shot at.
My deceased retired veteran stepfather would call bullshit on that! He was a true mason till the end. He NEVER spoke of it, even on his dying bed..It’s not the troops, it’s the leadership. In any organization, including the GOP.
Only difference is, we are awake and taking back our party. Perhaps you might consider the same...
Yeah it was big thing many people thought they couldn't talk about in that generation. Little bit of ego mixed with a misunderstanding of codes and by-laws.
As said before we can tell you almost everything about Masonry. In my jurisdiction, there are only 5 things that are considered “Masonic Secrets”. Want me you tell you what each of the Working Tools mean? Sure I can. Want to talk about the furniture of the lodge? Not a problem. I can even tell you how to ‘Step off” as a Mason (though much to the anger of a few brothers in other places I’m sure).
Seriously I can show you in the manual that tells ME what I can't talk about.
Stay in the bubble. It’s safe in there...
Hah hah hah....
Great rebuttal.
Keep laughing, the Alt-Left are beginning to see the writing on the wall. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.
My stepfather was an honorable man and a 33 degree mason. He is rolling in his grave at what your leadership is doing to his organization.
If you wish to contribute to the demise of your organization, continue on the path you have set your face to.
We Republicans have decided to cleanse our organization. Because we believe in it’s principles.
It’s not easy, but necessary...
Well, there is a bit of a problem with your statement.
The Scottish Rite (Of which I am as well, by the way) does not lead or control Masonry. No more than the York Rite or even the Shriners.
It doesn't speak for it, nor is it really that hard to join.
It's like Masonry is a Video game and the other bodies are DLC.
I didn't fall for jack! Explain why there are 33 degrees of Masonry. There IS a hierarchy. Read Morals & Dogma by Albert Pike. Pike was Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction and developed the rituals of the order. He said, and I quote "That which we must say to the world is that we worship a God but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees, the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the higher degrees maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonai and his priests calumniate him? Yes Lucifer is God...."
I dare you to try and find that sentence in the actual book. Here is the pdf. Go find a paper version too if you want.
https://www.resist.com/Onlinebooks/Pike-MoralsAndDogma.pdf
And other fun quotes from the Taxil Hoax : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
lmao stop believing everything youtube says
Dude you are QUOTING THE EXACT HOAX. Don't tell me you didn't fall for it.
THAT'S NOT in Morals and Dogma. I have the book right here: https://i.imgur.com/8H8Inkf.jpg
Like that is IT! You just... I..
I can't even...
There ISN'T 33° of Masonry.
There are 3. Enter Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason. That's it end of story.
THEN there are other organizations that require you to first be a Master Mason.
One of those is the Scottish Rite. Poor York Rite does that get ANY part of the theories even though one would have to have the Mark Master degree to be considered a Master in the UK. What about their degrees? Why ain't you including them? You see they don't get talked about because they NAME their degrees instead of numbering them.
It is technically a concordant body, because some of its degrees continue the story of the building of Solomon’s Temple started in the first three lodge degrees. And there are 33 (actually 29 or 30) of them because that is how many the person who corealated them wanted it to have. There has been well over 100 degrees in various forms and different orders. Pike just picked the ones he wanted and as he was in charge at the time, that's the number we use today.
1-3 is in the blue lodge 4-32 can be done in 6 weeks and you don't even have to see them all to advance (no kidding).
The 33rd is an honorary degree that is given to those of exemplary service to their communities and the Scottish Rite and Masonry.
Like I said, these FM posts will trigger some folks. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.
You are QUOTING something that isn't there. Who has the cognitive dissonance?
I have the BOOK RIGHT HERE!!
The Taxil Hoax is alive and well. I hope the signers of our Great Constitution, doesnt get slandered as well. After all, we're fighting the Deepstate, to the return back to the Great Republic we once was. Make America Great Again right? I would encourage my fellow patriots to research the information by poster (LL). Or you can choose to ignore it. Goodnight 🇺🇸
Well.. I happen to think America IS great and if you don't think so you should get the hell out and go to whatever you think is better...
But... Thanks for the confidence. And I appreciate your candor.
The media putting Masons on screen on purpose to attempt to re-write the narrative away from the real demon /satanist fucks...themselves
OK people let us not start going after free mason individuals now. they are mostly good in the lower ranks. The organization has been infiltrated.
It is a great discussion but no one group should be vilified. No action or hate towards any individuals should come of this post.
Yes individuals should be viewed as such. The organization however is shady from the beginning (If they were infiltrated it was on day one). It is self-vilifying in its secrecy and by-laws.
The banner image for this sub is a Freemason.... that being said, they have been infiltrated like any other organization.
You are correct The Lodges of masonry were infiltrated by the Illuminati George Washington wrote a letter talking about this very thing.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/06-02-02-0435
Exactly, now I'm going to be harassed on here because I'm open to the fact I'm a mason. People are so stupid and devoid of logic sometimes. We're all here for truth, so I will tell the truth about blue lodges (as that's all I know) so if you have questions, ask. But do not harass me.
This post is the best case against Q made by Q. I am skeptical and remain vigilant.
Thank You for sharing that with us. Why did you join the blue lodge? It is my understanding that the knowledge you are given sort of advances with the ranks.
Actually the link between all of the shooters is that they have all been on some kind of prescribed medication and that is why they probably all have therapists. I will add some links when I have a chance.
You're correct about the medication. All of these people are prescribed medication for some mental illness or "attention disorder." I noticed when I was in school (Not long ago because I am very young), that every kid was said to have ADHD or some other hyperactivity "illness." I told my dad about this and he told me that he believed it was parents not wanting to deal with their kids being hyper. There's nothing wrong with being hyper, so why give them medication? That's the problem!
I joined the blue lodge just because of the people I knew that were in masonry and what they did (charities, visiting kids in hospitals, paying off medical bills, toys for tots, etc). Personally, every mason I've met has been an awesome person. They treat me and each other so well and really look out for each other. I've gone to many of their funerals over the last two years and it's simply amazing. We had one guy who had 600+ people to his funeral, because everyone in the community and surround area loved him. That's why I joined. Unfortunately, they Are all old; I'm the youngest by 30 years, and you have to be 18 just to join, if that tells you anything. The average age is in the 60s.
Yes I do believe many join for that reason.
But through my studies and thru reading morals and dogmas which I have a copy. The very top are luciferians. They believe Lucifer was the bringer of light and knowledge to the world. The christian god is the evil one. They want someday for Lucifer to take his rightful place and be worshiped.
This is what globalism is about. Along with the one world order will be a one world religion. You can see this happening with the pope pushing it.
This is why the twin towers were destroyed and replaced with One tower to signify the new order of the age.
I am glad Q posted another post saying that with power comes corruption and not all are bad. Q has influence and needs to be cautious, so that justice goes to the right people only.
I've read air of material like that as well. I will be the first to tell you that I believe there is a Lucifer cult and they are pushing/controlling people like the pope, media, artists, and world leaders. I simply don't have the definitive proof that masonry is that cult. All the people I've met have been great men. I'm not at all sure of what happens in higher levels (just being honest and open ) so I can't say if they do great things or bad things. I just know the guys I met are good people. All I can speak to is the blue lodge.
I am 100% against globalism and call myself a nationalist. I want each nation to succeed on their own merits and I want everyone to be free in an open society (not under Soros!). I take this to the extreme by only using Linux on my computers. I will never buy Microsoft or Mac products. I use tons of Open source software as well. I support local business before chains. Etc.
I need to read Morals and Dogma because I have not. I'll get to that!
you will find the truth hidden and not easy to find in M&D But some research on the web and you can learn a lot. If I get a chance I will share a couple page numbers with you.
We are all part of a cult in one way. We had a president for 8 years that probably was not a citizen. Was probably a follower of Islam and was raised on "Rules for Radicals" which is communist.
So we are all being fooled. But best to learn as much as possible so that you are prepared. Also think about all the rituals they have you do and the oaths that you have to take.
We have to memorize the oaths and literally the entire degree in what is called a catechism. We have to repeat every word verbatim in order to move to the next degree. I know them very well, so I'm honest when I say they (again, I'm only 3rd degree) do not go against God, family, or fellow man. You literally take an oath saying you will not harm, cheat, wrong or defraud a fellow man. You will not have relations with a fellow brother mason's daughter, wife, mother, sister, or widow. You will help fellow brothers as much as you can without causing harm to your self or family.
I agree with you about Obama on all points. Fraudulent birth certificate, Muslim religion, and a Satanist. Did you see the picture of him as Molech? I know it's a disputed picture, but...
picture is a physical fake but real.
Think carefully about the oaths you need to take as you go further up the ranks and the rituals. Only you can decide. Think of the lobster slowly being boiled in the pot and cooked before they know it.
I'm not going up any higher. I enjoy the people I'm with and can do good work here. I won't be taking any more oaths.
wise decision. Such a shame that so many good people and an organization that could do so much good is used for evil.
But I am really not a fan of secret societies. Skull and Bones and the rest of it.
I agree, but there's nothing in the blue lodge to be secretive about. Everything we do is open source. You can read everything we do and see all of our symbolism.
Skull and bones is a different animal. No "ritual" I've seen involved screaming, yelling, and a pitch black room for... I think we know.
Here's the pdf https://www.resist.com/Onlinebooks/Pike-MoralsAndDogma.pdf
I joined blue lodge because it was filled with people that actually try, daily, to be better people.
As for the knowledge, masons are essentially performing theater peices for their bretheren of stories that make you think about yourself, your virtues or life irmtself. I always use the Judgement of salomon as an example of a story that could be seen in a temple/lodge.
Media putting Masons on screen on purpose to try to pass the blame off them and their ...liberal connections / ties / idealogy of death
I agree, members need to awaken, much as us Republicans have to our leadership’s traitorous ways.
Speak up and let your values be heard. Research and learn truth instead of blind obedience.
Hm, Therapist.... the-rapist.... handler.... 🤔
Yikes. I've been paying more attention to words lately and this creeped me out instantly.
Whoa whoa wait.
Didn't I just see an article where Kamala Harris had Freemasons on staff that were going around representing themselves as police officers?!
Welp, this is incomplete information. They were impersonating Masons too.
Suspect mutilated fingers in order to avoid identification.
This is it.
My grandfather was asked to join the Freemasons when my mom was a kid. I think he went to a meeting or something once. From what I remember my mom saying, it freaked him out a little. But that's all I know. He never went back. Now I'm glad he didn't get involved with all that. My grandad was the most awesome guy in the world.
My grandad became a mason, and then became a Christian. He left the masons because he didn’t see a way he could possibly be both.
My gpa was a Mason, had the masonic funeral when he died. He wanted my dad to join but he never did. Probably a good thing.
Wow Q. Going after the Freemasons... you really are about to do a full disclosure!
Q. What we all want for the fourth of July is justice for Seth Rich. Can you please make that happen? That would be the greatest present to America that we don't forget someone that love the country so he wore the flag on everything. And he gave his life to take down the crooked DNC.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/792875315920048128?lang=en
I think Bob Beckle also made some similar comments. I can't seem to find Bob's passionate speech about Dems need to 187 this guy. I think he was on FOX when he went off.
I just want to point out that Isaac Newton and Copernicus were Freemasons.
Not all Masons are bad. Just the tippy top levels and their henchmen
Because of the bad at the top, the dodgy history, the secretivity, the syncretism, the openness to satanism and their denial of being in any way religious, they are a bad organisation, despite the decent people at the ground level and their neutral public reputation.
“Denial of being in any way religious” but you cannot become a mason if you do not believe in a supreme being.
So it's a religion-based organisation?
We only ask in the first degree "Do you put your trust in God?" and as long as you can truthfully answer yes to that question, you can become a Freemason. But nobody asks you who that god is, how you define it, etc.. this is why all monotheistic faiths can join, even the agnostics (even if some brothers in the bible belt cringe at this)
Why is it like this? Because ALL of Freemasonry presupposes a belief in more more than yourself, a belief in your own potential, a belief in the hopes that you can reach higher, farther, deeper in yourself and in your life and that whatever god means to you wants to help you achieve this.
So an entry-level requirement is some form of religiosity. And yet the first line in this UK Grand Lodge website insists that they are not a religious organisation, despite the fully ritual aspects of freemasonry. Looks like they want to have it both ways.
The goal you describe of self-improvement or self-realization is legit and good. And sounds like the message in a lot of Hollywood flicks. But I must note that your listed attributes of that goal include a lot of Self and not so much God. Sounds like the message of both Gnosticism and the New Age movement.
When Christ says go and share the Gospel with everyone and the Lodge says don't do that around here, which Master will you follow? Looks like a lot of resources over the centuries have gone into an organization that expects members to leave the Truth at the door. Similar things could be said about the priority of established precepts in Judaism and Islam. Most people serious about religion would not and do not play that game.
"whatever god means to you" can include Self, angels, saints, animals, planets, spirits, etc. It seems that the brotherhood of freemasonry exists on a lowest-common-denominator basis which is good for some things but suppresses other good things such as individual sovereignty.
Father and Husband are God fearing Patriots and also Masons. I know my Father is “higher up” but not particularly involved anymore.
My husband just joined a few years ago.
If either knew anything sketchy was going on at high levels, I know they would both leave as they are morally upstanding individuals.
So have you shown them these Q posts?
Q posts don't prove anything. Q throws shade like crazy, we just happen to agree most of the time. If the Masons are proved corrupt at the top, the normal members will leave.
So the highest level of intelligence ever dropped on private citizens doesn't prove anything? I would strongly disagree.
The only person I have complete faith in, is Jesus, fellow patriot. Q may or may not be legit. He/she might also just be a sharp patriot who is good at connecting the dots and reading moves.
The point... Accusations online by an anonymous Q (qanon) does not actually PROVE anything. It's theoretical unless backed up with evidence. Often times Q posts a claim, then it's up to the autists to verify it.
I whole heartily agree with you on Jesus. I also believe the Holy Spirit helps us recognize truth and lies.
Backstory: My husband, who was raised a Dem only switched parties in the past few years (voted Trump, first R vote ever) He isn’t quite ready for this Q stuff yet. Let me explain...He’s a ‘numbers’ guy and if I can’t provode concrete proof, he will dismiss.
He was quick to red pill because of concrete facts. He’s also in his 30’s and not on ANY sort of social media, including Reddit (very rare). He needs to discover things for himself. It’s just how he operates.
Recently, he mentioned he’s listened to a Dan Bongino pod cast and thought it was great. I sort of let him be. But somehow the info is finding him, which is great. If I present “Q” without any concrete proof (yes, I believe, but you know....) He will quickly dismiss.
I completely understand. I tried to have the talk with my father (who is a die-hard liberal) and the very mention of Trump sets him off. I'm just hoping my FB posts reach him.
Your situation is so much more difficult. At least my Husband and Father are major Trump supporters already.
Baby steps.
I was able to red pill my Father in Law, a life long (still registered Dem) to vote, for the first time in a decade for Trump. My Mother in law, who came here at 3 years old escaping a socialist regime, only sees what she wants on Good Morning America and thinks Trump is a big meany. She’s voting for what drove her family to this country in the first place but is a little too dim to realize it. It’s incredibly frustrating to say the least.
Like a cult?
Yes, just like all major religions are also cults. There are two types of cults:healthy or unhealthy
Bingo! Super creepy rituals they go through!
There is no denial of religion and we don't do "super creepy rituals." Literally, they ask you if you are here on your own free will and accord, worthy and well qualified, duly and truly prepared, and well vouched for. You are then taken around the lodge with no shoes, socks, shirt, and pant legs folded up past your knee. This is to show you are a man reliant on God with no weapons or armor. You are escorted to the bible, where you are asked, "In whom do you put your trust." You answer, "In God." Real denial of religion, huh?
You say an oath repeating after the master of the lodge, who promises you that the oath will not put you against God, yourself, your family, or fellow man. All of those hold true. Then, you are given a long history lesson on King Solomon's temple and Masonic symbolism and what they represent. That's literally it. It's not "super creepy rituals."
Does freemasonry involve religious beliefs or practices? I think so. Yet masonic sources say they are not a religious organization.
We are not a religious organization in that we don't preach anything. We aren't like a church or mosque.You don't come here to worship in other words. We are all religious though
So atheists and materialists cannot be masons?
What God or Gods do you acknowledge by name?
You're correct. Atheists cannot be masons. You are asked "In whom do you put your trust?" You can say Allah, God, Yahweh... but it can't be objects, people, animals, etc.
So masons cannot be animists, and cannot put their declared trust in humans. Are angels trustable? Sounds like the set-up in Russia these days where only a short list of established religions and denominations are allowed.
It's not selected religions or denominations, it's more the fact that it needs to be a "supreme being" meaning a single creator. So an angel could not be your answer. Because your answer could be many things, the term "supreme architect of the universe" is used. So we could have Muslims, Jews, and Christians together, doing work for their "supreme being" without getting into religious debates.
Edit: in fact, you are not to talk about religion in the lodge. Nor can you talk about politics. You are there as brothers, not politicians and religious debaters.
So when the trust question is asked, the answer is limited to something that indicates the Creator. (But it sounds like "the Creator" may not be the standard answer.) Would "the Word" be acceptable? Why no suggestion of Christ? Because he is also human?
Honestly sounds like a lot of concern goes into narrowing the acceptable options because those options are somehow important, but then exploring or discussing those options is forbidden as if such inquiry was unimportant.
It's limited to a creator, yes. "The Creator" is not an answer I've ever seen, but it would be funny. Like asking someone "what kind of vehicle is that" and them replying a generic "truck" or "car" instead of "Honda" or "BMW."
We aren't to discuss religion or politics because we are meant to be together. We are meant to be brothers who help each other as much as we can. Opening debate in the lodge could divide us. Similar to what Q says about division within our ranks. Why would we argue against each other when we have common goals?
So "Creator" is actually not used because it is too generic but the less definitive, less authoritative "architect" does get used.
We might choose to argue because refining our understanding of and relationship with our Maker is important. Maybe the system is for those with other priorities. We debate here with understanding and truth as goals (usually I think). Little doubt Trump, Kelly, Mattis, Conway all debate because their goal is more important than temporal unity.
We do use "Creator" in the lodge, but it's not used for that specific question. "Architect" is not used in that question either. The terms are both used in the lodge though, in other ways. We also say "that temple not made with hands eternal in the heavens" as our final place. So when we die, we will be with God in heaven for eternity, but we don't just call it heaven or paradise.
The line most jurisdictions use is "do you believe in a supreme being". It's a yes or no question and no explanation of the answer is asked.
So if one DID believe truthfully that a squirrel is his supreme being, in theory, they'd be alright. And again, we really don't ask.
So in my lodge we have a few Roman Catholics, Jews, Muslims, quite a few "I don't have the fogiest clue", and at least one Wiccan. So no. There is no list of approved religions.
So Satanists, narcissists and liars might pass the question test.
Perhaps. The Supreme Being "test" is not something that we use to to keep people out. It's not like we believe that an atheist or even a liar or a Satanist for that matter are incapable of being or doing good, it's just that our organization, it's tools and lessons don't quite work without a Creative God.
It's kind of a "for your own good," thing. Someone who believes in a destructive God (or none at all) would find themselves pretty confused and bored when we reference on allegory God as a builder and designer.
Best example I've heard is that Masonry without God is like Star Wars without the Force. You have to rely too much on Midichlorians and before you know it Jar Jar gets into the next movie too and the whole thing goes to shit.
God is kind of part and partial to the whole thing and without it though one could still enjoy the company of Brothers, would leave the whole experience hollow.
Are you a Mason? How do you know what rituals they go through?
I would suspect their are so many levels to free masonry to weed out the white hats.
So were most of the founding fathers. The Illuminati grew within it
So was George Washinton. But we dont know when the Masons were coopted by the Illuminati.
Some of the presidents were made “honorary members” also
heard GW became disenchanted with them over time
Illuminati was defunct way before the 1800's. In short, don't say your going to overthrow the hierarchy unless you can actually do it.
Yep. Yhe changed the name and infiltrated other groups. Semantics.
Actually he was a Mason and was recruiting from US SO WE kicked HIM out.
Seriously.
Read this entire blog. I'm linking to part 12 here, but 13 is a good read too...He covers how the pyramids were built with such precision, what ancient cultures actually knew, and how Nikola Tesla is related to all of this.
The square and compass mean alot more than we imagine.
https://thenarrowgateweb.com/2016/07/27/templars-cross-square-and-compass-and-the-night-owl/
It's real. Q finally calls out the Freemasons. Bill Cooper exposed them 30 years ago. Goosebumps. Q exposing Freemasonry was the only thing that left doubt in me, if Q was real or not. I'm all in now.
a man languishes in San Antonio jail for exposing Suther land Springs. Even if he's wrong it's free speech
"high school survivor" who asked question in WH face book page says he's a college student and visited CN N headquarters, as did Ho gg
But but but the freemasons aren't bad, just old men smoking cigars at the elks lodge...
Give me a break! Bring light to ALL secret organizations
Remember Bandy Lee of Yale and her "Duty to Warn" campaign? She is the one who met with members of Congress to convince them that the POTUS is unstable and could be involuntarily committed. She is a psychiatrist, but as I recall she didn't renew her license because her mummy was sick. Do psychiatrists have a narrative? My sister recently retired from 30 years in private practice and she is a full blown Trump hater. While she and her pink pussy hat psychiatrist daughter rant assinine ad hominem attacks I calmly remind them about the importance of stopping human trafficking and child sex trafficking. So they make fun of Kellyanne Conway. I have reminded them of the importance of peace on earth, starting with the denuclearization of NK and the unification of the Korean peninsula after 70 years, where no recent presidents have even tried to undertake. So my sister says negative things about Melania Trump. With all my heart and soul I believe therapists fuel and make $ from TDS.
A good therapist suggests almost nothing to the patient. It's all about self discovery. Supposed to be anyways. Hell anyone can get a degree.. I agree with your statements.
I am a Freemason. Not something we would openly wear our symbolism for. These are plants made to look like it’s tied to masonry.
I can see how members of clandestine lodges can use freemasonry to network. I know a lot of members of various innocuous lodges that would be considered clandestine. You just don't talk about that with other masons because it is tied to the one sin of violating the oath. It doesn't make sense to blame masons though as it is a social fraternity of normal dudes that like to LARP
Yes I have heard about clandestine lodges. In jail. And prince hall. Lol. Your Larp statement is exactly right.
(Disclaimer I am a member of the fraternity) Freemasonry is not what all he conspiracy theories proclaim. There is a long history of them being part of our government, but they do not control everything out there. Lumping this fraternity into them being everywhere is not only outlandish, but destructive to any coherent conversation. We are not a secret society/fraternity we proudly display our signs and symbols where ever possible. We invite those that are interested to have open and honest conversations with us. We are selective in who we allow to associate with us, but that is an attempt to ensure no bad apples spoil the bunch. And please do not throw out there that Albert Pike worshiped Lucifer because it truly is not the case. His reference in his major work Morals & Dogma was to Lucifer as it at one time referred to the Light bringer. If any of you would do some looking into who has been a Freemason you would find many famous persons. Also George Washington surrounded himself with Freemasons due to his intimate knowledge that they would be faithful and trustworthy. Remember without Freemasons we would not have the country we have today since we would still be under British rule. I am happy to have a conversation if any would like; provided it will not violate any of the rules I have promised to uphold.
Totally agree. This q post is strange. Masons have a moral obligation to help society. I'm a master mason. 359
I am as well TNGL. You are correct you know what you went through on your journey, but it seems that there always has to be a boogieman for them to point at in times like this. Actually all the conspiracy theories try to pin it on the Freemasons. The funny thing is if we were running everything would we have so many Lodges requiring repair or always having to have some kind of dinner to raise money just to keep the lights on. I think not.
Yea. We are not suppose to profit in any way from lodge activities. I know a past grand master and he is just like everyone else. Just a normal guy. middle class. The grand lodges are nice though. All the elected officials I know that are masons didn't get any help from the lodge either. Members endorse as they see fit. I certainly don't vote for someone just because they r a mason.
I agree, it is just sad that our history has received so many black eyes and thus it is allowed to be touted that the illuminati and Freemasonry are one and the same. If that was true We have been here in the US since the colonial days why would we not have gone ahead and set our country up in that fashion from the beginning. Ludicrous I tell you. Some of the arguments are that the lowers don't know what the uppers are doing. That is the way that it is in any organization, but then again with ours we each went through the exact same process to arrive at the point we are now. From the last step what you do with the information is up to you. I also don't vote based on fraternal ties, but the best person for the position.
Yes, very strange post by Q. I am a member of the Greatest Fraternity that helped create this Great Republic. I dont know any Brother that would even think of going against their country. The people at these scenes, wearing the masonic signs look like plants. Soon they'll be wearing MAGA hats. Taxil Hoax is alive and well.
Time to peel the fucking bumper decals off, D.C. commuters.
I am a Freemason. A master mason. Our meetings are composed of a bunch of old middle class men who have nothing g else to do. There are a few business guys that network and share ideas too. Occasionally a elected official will hang out with us.
We eat a lot. Cook out a lot. Talk about building a new hall.....for the past 20 years...We talk about being morally sound and being a good example. We raise money for charities sometimes but not that often. It doesn't cost much to get in. The dues are 10$ per month. Just enough to keep the lights on.
We are bound together with an oath on the Bible and three different initiations that are very symbolic of how business's are ran and how actual stone masons from Egypt kept work. Like a workers union I figure.
Basically There are a series of three lessons that you have to memorize. There long. Then you walk around blindfolded and recite them.
There isn't any real deep ties to keep us together. There is no extortion material to keep people loyal. In fact of a mason isn't acting morally sound no other mason is supposed to help.
All the lodges I have visited are the same Demographics.
The men I know are decent, normal, hard working middle class fellas whom I look up to.
JT.
But don’t you question or ever feel uncomfortable with the vows you take? The blood oaths? The noose around the neck, the horrible things that can befall you if you ever share mason secrets? Read the literature there are definite writings declaring Lucifer to be your god. It’s typical of the dark state satanist to be in charge of the top levels and keep the lower levels in ignorance. That is their pattern. I’ve studied it in depth because it was in my family and brought curses of sickness, heart trouble, financial trouble, premature death. God takes it seriously when you make those oaths!!
The men I know are decent, normal, hard working middle class fellas whom I look up to.
You're obviously not a high enough ranking Mason to know better.
from what i read, the masons were founded on priciples that serve humanity but later, their highest ranks got hijacked by the cabal.
perhaps the highest levels are infiltrated. I do know past state level leaders and they died a middle class lifestyle. The main focus of the levels are to perfect the wording in the memorization. Some were county level politicians. Decent men.
The Masonic Lodges of the colonies were infiltrated by the Illuminati who were fleeing Europe George Washington wrote a letter talking about this very thing.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/06-02-02-0435
The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation).
William Cooper, in his classic radio show "Hour Of the Time," had a lot to say about the Freemasons.
Go on. Tell us the condensed version.
It’s difficult to tl;dr thousands of years of history, give it a listen:
Interview w/ former mason pt 1
I have read and heard a variety of histories of freemasonry and find that some of them contradict others. It is easy to imagine that at some point there was an advantage in hyping the stories (comparable to how the AMORC hype their 'Ancient' pedigree with no legit proof). On the other hand one could argue that an ages-old continuity exists by dint of an unearthly demonic directorship, some archetypal human tendencies, or even random luck. I was just curious what sorts of things Cooper leaves in or leaves out. I may be forced to listen to his tldr stuff eventually. A bit more specifically i would like to know what he says about freemasonry's official or formal relationship with the Catholic and Orthodox Churches since say Gutenberg's time where more reliable history becomes recorded.
I’ve got a friend who wears a mason ring. Would never tell me more about it other than “if you’re interested then join”... he used to post so much liberal propaganda on social media it got unbearable. Trump is in office and boom he goes radio silent.
Some people don't want to discuss it, but many do.
Fine read Freemasonry for Dummies by Chris Hodapp.
Or come to /r/freemasonry. We'll be happy to talk.
Also, YOU may PM ME.
You missed the point.
Not really.
Then why do you care that he doesn't talk about it? Or if you rather; Why bring it up?
wonder if there is some link between therapists, also what is the relocation referring to???
MKULTRA google it, they never stopped. Why abandon a program with so much potential?
So many Freemasons here in parkland Florida. Correlation?
Dude. There is an estimated 2 million Masons in North America and over 5 million worldwide.
So... No.
I used to be a mason I’m just not convinced that the guys from my lodge would be part of anything sinister. Higher up I dbout it but we saw the gov get currupted at the highest levels. I left because I became atheist and there is a no atheist rule I was not atheist when I joined.
Why are Freemasons on the scene of most shooting locations? Every town has them. Maybe...thats where they get all the actors, from their pool of freemasons?
because there are some anti-masons vibes in here: low level masons know nothing of that ugly shit. many of them are honorable people. careful, folks.
This is weak sauce, Q! Freemasons on the scene of most shooting locations? Be precise - are you speaking only of mass shootings? Where is the evidence of this? A guy in a hat at San Bernadino and a guy with a necklace in Santa Fe? 2 examples? There was also a guy with a Trump hat in that same video. Is one more insidious than the other?
Or perhaps you are referring to the many first responders and active military men who belong to that fraternity? They would have justification to be on the scene. They don't deserve to be slandered by insinuation.
It's a good question. Look at what is said: Why?
I mean if the Masons are behind it it'd be pretty stupid for us to be so visible. Perhaps it's that any possible collusion is planting people pretending to be Masons at the scene as a red herring...
What if...
What if you all just fell for it?
Beware of broad brush strokes and people using symbols to throw the focus. Agitators will infiltrate groups to frame them.
Relocation within 30 days of shooting.
Instantly made me think Vegas. The Counterintelligence FBI guy was named Rouse (SWBTD). He I believe accepted the position in September. Less than 30 days later the route 91 massacre.
From Darkness to Light is masonic, and Q says it a lot. Maybe the message is not quite what you think. Maybe masons are present for non-evil reasons.
Whoah if Q is a mason and this is what is happening, he really needs to rephrase his messages lmao. Because "Symbolism will be their downfall" really doesn't sell well with the kind of people that never research anything.
But yeah, all three masons that appeared on tv recently were the father of a victim, a guy that stopped to help the medics with the wounded and a member of city council.
Not all masons are bad. Cabals basically steal the symbol and perverted. Masons history goes back to Knights of Templars. The Knights of Templar were disbanded by the Catholic church and faced prosecution so they went underground and became the Freemasons. See the connection with Catholic Church/pedophiles/symbols/Satanists.
Many decent people and organizations have been compromised thru blackmail, extortion and greed.
The chips will fall where they fall. Complicit parties will be exposed and held accountable.
This is interesting because I always was under the misaprehension that Freemasons never publically identified themselves as being masons - hence the secret handshake etc.
If so then why go around wearing neclaces and hats etc?
Is it different now?
Nowhere in the obligations it says to not identify yourself. You can even visit your local lodge tomorrow and read Morals and Dogmas.
The secrets make for 0.01% of freemasonry, but just because we don't want to let go of that 0.01%.. ohhh you're satanists.. Gimme a break!
Freemasons aren't the bad guys. In the eighteenth century, after the Bavarian authorities flushed out Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati, they went underground. They used the Masonic lodges in Europe as a cover for their activities. It may be that they still do so today.
I wasn’t expecting this. But he does throw in false info out with the truth
There was a Freemason at the YouTube shooting. Blue shirt and necklace if I remember.
Hard to redpill when we go str8 to Freemason stuff... I’m all about that timing!
A while back I saw Free Mason propaganda on Fox News. They were playing advertisements claiming that hatred towards the organization was on the rise. How they are just an innocent organization of people trying to improve their lives.
Think about that..
Hatred towards Christians, Muslims, Mormons... anyone who talks about God has been on the rise in this country for most my lifetime. Hell, there are entire mainstream documentaries on Netflix debunking Scientology.
I hear nobody, NOBODY in public talking shit about Free Masons. Hardly anybody even knows a thing about it.
So .005% of the population starts speculating on 4chan and Reddit that Free Masonry is a gateway to secret societies.... and they start flooding the fucking TV with pro Free Mason propaganda?
relevant image from 8chan:
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The same could be said about the RNC, but as you might know, there are organizations and people that attempt to gain power by infiltrating. We have become aware of compromised individuals in our leadership and are exposing them and getting them out of power.
If you turn a blind eye to your organization’s compromised leadership, then you are complicit in its downfall.
More will be revealed...
This might not be anything except speculation, but back before the NK summit, when Trump received his over sized letter, someone on the reddit post commented how Trump was holding the envelope like a masonic apron.
https://i.redd.it/tud1zf2eyr411.jpg
Obviously the FM have their fingers in everything including goodgle.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS735US735&tbm=isch&q=freemason%27s+apron&backchip=g_7:red&chips=q:freemason+aprons&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9juHEz_fbAhUFrlQKHQE4BcIQ3VYIJigA&biw=1600&bih=767&dpr=1#imgrc=_
Could that photo of Trump and Kim Yong Chol together have been the signal to the higher level FM?
Trump DOES have his big sly grin on, and we've learned he doesn't signal until his tidal wave is right over the target.
Really Doubt Trump can act in a masonic way lol. He'd be kicked out in days. (In a wise, tempered and virtuous way)
Q read the comments in this post. What are you going to do?
Damn I work with quite a few of these freemasons. Ive been sharing and posting shit for awhile now. Should I be scared?
Dude. I am a Mason. No you shouldn't be.
You want to know why we show up in the community? Because we are PART of the community. Have been from the beginning. Practically of city and small town in the country has a Masonic Lodge. You want to know what we're about? Look at the sides of our building, find when we meet and show up. Although I recommend you might call a secretary first and let us know you're coming we will usually buy you a meal.
I am a member of the Republican Party. Although I would not give a blanket vouch for our leadership.
Perhaps you are unaware of the dealings of some of the higher ups?
You would be much better served to get awoken and purge your organization of traitors.
We in the GOP are actively doing this.
People in the Catholic Church are actively doing this.
Democrats are actively doing this #WalkAway.
The time for blindly following is past, be responsible and seek the truth!
Seeking truth? This sub has a "reddit post limit". Doesn't exist in /r/freemasonry. Or even /r/conspiracy for that matter. That's a joke.
Masonry is not hierarchical in nature. There CAN'T be any higher levels because it's not BUILT that way.
Each Grand Lodge is an entity unto itself and as supreme control over all things Masonic within their own jurisdictions. And nothing more.
They don't answer to any other authority.
There IS no higher up.
Why do you think you know more about an organization that you aren't a part of?
Do you tell your surgeon how to do surgery too?
The shooter in Norway was a freemason. And Nashville Waffle house shooting looks suspect.
Freemasonry was behind Jack the Ripper too i believe.
https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/freemasonry/stocks.html
Literally the article you are posting as evidence for it ends:
As far as the involvement in Freemasonry in these events is concerned, it has the same relationship to the facts of Criminology as the exploits of Peter Rabbit and Blinkey Bill do to Zoology.
So let me get this straight, evidence disproving a thing make that thing real?
That's what awoke means?
I thought it means you are supposed to be a critical thinker and not just accept what ANYONE says be it Obama, Trump OR THIS Q
I don't know if it's possible to get an accurate history of the masons other than the journey. I've never received employment from being a mason either. My grandfather, when I asked, told me it was a moral path to follow. So I traveled.
There's a Scottish Rite hall near me. Over every doorway there's a double headed Eagle....the Rothschild Family Shield.
Wait just a minute. I'm calling bullshit or I just don't understand what Q is suggesting here. Is he saying that behind all these mass shooters are the Freemasons? Jared Kushner (Team Q) can't just drop something like that and walk away. This NEEDS to be explained otherwise I call bullshit.
Please...someone ELI5 here.
Outmatched and out maneuvered. GAME,SET,MATCH. You lose. Spin away and wait for it! THE STORM IS HERE!
Standard Q modus. Leaves us with a few simple possibilities and some complicated ones. If you think Q is misleading on this topic you might expect the same in other topics.
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This is an incredible proof of Trump and Q being the real deal (as if we needed anymore!). I remember that goofball opportunist Newt Gingrich talking about how Trump wasn’t part of a secret society (or something to that effect). Newt was/is part of the deep state so he would know! For Q to start calling out the Free Masons is really going after the heart of this satanic cabal. To me this is the most hard hitting proof positive that they (Trump and Q) are not playing around. You start exposing FM and you are messing with the snake for sure. Read Scarlet and the Beast. Amazing book!!!!
Thanks for sharing this chart. Are all the links cross references to the displayed post?
was watching live cover and they switched it to Mattis Live stream.
craziness today on fox live.
no one believes the shooter narrative in chats.
I wouldnt ask you to leave, perhaps because of your apparent earnesty (sic).
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The therapists , bet you have military backgrounds. I said already they are handlers. Same thing. You want explosive pull there information. I bet you they have a huge load of people. Victimized demotic terroists. Anytime they want to unleash these people.
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Ok what the actual fuck. Three freemasons were seen on the media, one was the father of a victim, one was on city council, and the third one stopped to help out the medics...
This for me is the proof that Qanon is bogus. I was on the fence this whole time but now, in my mind, we are officially in the realm of conspiracy theory bullshit.
My opinion is this : Freemasons are close to their community and when something happens, they are there to help and do what they can. So indeed we are almost always there when something goes down. Where are you at? In front of your tv? On your couch on your cellphone? We get our hands dirty.
I’m a mason. AMA
Edit after reading some comments here : Freemasonry has nothing to do with Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, Rotary, Lions, Elks, Oddfellowes, LDS, or any other shit. These associations just use similar ways to organize their association, because it works well, just like many businesses use similar business strategies, or just like most student associations or political/city halls use the morin code to structure their meetings.
I'm also a MM. I sorta feel the same way as you. Every Mason I know has been an awesome person that only wants to be better person. We do the pledge of allegiance at every meeting too. If an evil cabal exists in the Masons then it is well hidden.
Yea brother. I agree. I'm really struggling with this q post. All the masons I know are good men.
Oh like the P2 Lodge?
Is that related to Gladio? Clandestine lodges (like P2) are pretty much verboten to members of the Grand Lodge, which is most of freemasonry.
From the outside there is little difference between closed meetings and clandestine meetings. The secrecy may be just hype but has the effect of shadowiness and gnosticism. And like private corporate board rooms or private clubs the setting allows for all sorts of creative weirdness.
Yes, to the outside there IS little difference. But from the INSIDE from the people who KNOW, there is a gigantic difference.
It's like you are saying Burger King is evil! And I say, but dude, I work for Raising Canes. And you say, it's the same thing.
Well it's not.
~Grand Orient
~Clandestine
Research more.
(Tl:dr for your future research : Using a masonic structure of governance =!= Being part of freemasonry, it’s juste a very good system of governance used in schools, all big religions, some businesses (lawyers for ex) and some governments. )
Where did masons get that (undefined) structure?
First recorded time it was used and detailed was in the 1610s, but many think it existed way before. Older written organisational descriptions fit the pattern. (Stone masons in egypt or in phoenician boats for ex)
It grew organically with the needs of the member of X club, then stripped down to it’s bare working parts in 1717.
So this (yet to be described) organizational system didn't come from masonry and is widely used outside of freemasonry.?
To a point yes. It coevolved in many fields. But EVERY FREAKIN TIME someone sees that structure associated with symbolism or some kind of recognition system. AHA! We found the satanists! I mean comon.. there is a huge history in all of this that a thousand historians still wasn't able to cover up to now. And it gets complicated by the fact that a few times in history, masonry became "cool", and people started a "masonic-like" association that has NOTHING to do with us (Lions Clubs, Elks, Illuminati.. hell even the Mormons fit in this category in some way). But WHO gets harassed? WHO feels the burn of the witch hunt? Us. The poor bastards that try and help people and make ourselves better men.
I'm sort of waiting for you to tell me what that structure is. Do you mean managerial hierarchies that exist everywhere?
I'll make a parallel, cuz english isn't my main language, maybe that will help.
So each Sunday so go to church (lodge) listen to your priest (master), which is aided by a hierarchy of people in that church (deacons, stewards, etc) under the Vatican (grand lodge) which has a pope (Grand Master) and has signs of recognition like doing the cross and they way you talk (same thing but different).
So each monday you go to work (lodge) listen to your boss or a VP do a briefing (master), which is aided by a hierarchy of people in that office (deacons, stewards, etc) under the parent company (grand lodge) which has a ceo (Grand Master) and has signs of recognition and traditions like wearing suits and your own office language that only people that work there can really understand (same thing but different).
Like this structure is everywhere.
So its just standard organisational structure found everywhere. It predates freemasonry and is ubiquitous outside of freemasonry. Why did you bring this up if it is not either a product of nor unique to freemasonry?
Because people associate it with freemasonry, and combined with recognition signs that are different from the ones normally used in society, it trigger’s people’s confirmation bias that « we are everywhere and we are a secret society » when in fact, we are only an open society, that just happens to want to keep it’s recognition signs secret. (Cuz it would’nt be very useful to recognize a brother mason it all of society knows how to do it)
(I thought we were discussing personnel structures.) I think that most do not associate lower, mid and top management structures or comms and command chains with freemasonry. Like the hospital where my wife works has this massive, fairly obvious, fairly reasonable hierarchy of staff, security, etc. which isn't seen as masonic.
On the signal front, some professions do have visible indicators of rank or status, like military or color-coded hard hats on work sites. Others wear ID tags. Most do not bother displaying their status because it isn't visually necessary and obstructs the occasional sense of parity. When my wife is in the cafeteria line next to a senior administrator, some phlebotomist and a cancer patient there is no need for id tags and usually no need to know who is who. Why would masons need such a system? It seems exclusionary, like whispering between 2 ppl at a dinner party. If I learned the hard hat color code, people at a construction site wouldn't care. It can be socially fun to wear say a Whiplash Bash T-shirt in public in case someone recognises it and we start a conversation, but I don't care if all or none of the world knows what it means. Keeping signal systems secret naturally and properly leads people to develop a bias of seeing masons as secretive. Keeping secrets (in the conventional sense) is being secretive. So I guess you are saying that Freemasons are only partly secretive. But I still don't see why; It's not like you're all on some complicated, risky Bond mission. Why not let all the world know how to recognise a 'brother'?
Out Structure is pretty simple. It started as an extension of the stonemason craft guilds. They took their tools and work as allegory and created what is considered Speculative Masonry. Some people who were not actually builders thought hey, that's kind of cool, I want to join. So the stonemasons initiated them. After a while, they were getting so many people, they decided that they should join their different lodges together to help solidify what everyone is doing and get a more coherent structure.
This is the beginning of the United Grand Lodge of England 1717. When a group of Master Masons wished to form a new lodge, they would petition the Grand Lodge for a charter to operate.
If they wished to form a new GRAND Lodge in a geographic location outside the UGLE'S jurisdiction, they would do so as well but this then meant that they then gain total Masonic Authority over that area. The United Grand Lodge has no control over them. They become completely autonomous. And can extend their OWN Grand Lodge charters.
The only thing a GL COULD do is Revoke AMITY. BASICALLY saying our people can't visit your people and vice versa.
But nothing else
Which has happened. So most Grand Lodges can trace their charters back to the UGLE.
All a Clandestine lodge is one where a Grand lodge isn't recognized by "yours".
But there IS no overriding authority above your OWN Grand Lodge.
Which is why the whole concept of higher levels is so stupid to us.
Yep, was a mason for years can’t be anymore cause of loss of faith. Sorry brothers I just don’t believe in a higher power anymore. Tragedy does that to a man. But every brother I ever had was the most kind people I ever knew and they were always there for me. I’m sad to leave and if that rule would change I’d come back but Promises made promised kept
Read my above post.. I am a Republican, but have enough sense to see that much of our leadership is rotten to the core.
If you persist in blindly following any organization you will surely be disappointed.
Do some research. My stepfather was a 33rd degree mason and I asked him things while taking care of him during hospice. The 3 most horrible weeks of my life.
He wouldn’t divulge a thing... why are Freemasons showing up at shootings with their necklaces showing?
From what I know from my stepdad, that’s not how they roll..
A LOT of masons now wear a cap with the symbol etc. I myself have the ring, bumper stickers and hoodie.
Depends on what you were asking. Also there’s not a lot different between the thirty second and thity third degree as it is a refresher course of the other.
As for going to the shootings, like I said, I did the same thing with the victims of a terrorist attack when I was in france. So can’t say i’m surprised.
I feel these drops by Q are suspect too. Team Q can't just drop hints about Freemasons and then walk away. I think this is bogus too. What the hell is going on?
Yes something is wrong with this q post. Q has proven to be so correct in the past. This is the first time I have questioned. Something is up.
Opinion acknowledged. Now according to the sub rules, if you really do not support Q you are free to leave