Let's talk with Jim-san , who is the manager of bbspink.com. If you can write your questions or some other things in English, please write them in English.
Since Jim-san is very kind, so that in case you get spelling error, or write in incorrect grammar, he will be able to understand what you want to say.
Those who cannot understand English may write them in Japanese. Accommodating persons will translate for you.
681 Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys New! 2006/08/31(木) 14:40:23 ID:jxqOGbmX >>677 sumi-masen Sorry about my english. If there is criminal or civil problem. We must not delete We need to save for evidence. If there is a court. Example: Company A decides to sue Pink Channel because someone has complained their product was bad, or some other problem. Then that would need to be saved as evidence. Please excuse my english. Can someone put that in Japanese for me?
682 Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys New! 2006/08/31(木) 14:41:18 ID:jxqOGbmX >>679 I don't think this topic should be left open. Fantasy is ok, reality is NOT. Any complaints?
As I see, there is no deleter who has responsible for requests. If you think that you don't need anyone who has responsible for requests, that's okay for you and BBSPINK, not 2ch.
As a 2ch manager, I think BBS must be a happy place for someone who posts, someone who reads and someone who wants to delete a post. Leaving a post which someone want to delete makes someone unhappy. 2ch want to be fair for everyone. That's why 2ch accepts deleting requests. Actually, "2ch's fair" is difference from someone's fair. :)
Anyway, if BBSPINK doesn't have deleter who has responsible for requests, 2ch needs another place which is fair for everyone. BBSMENU would be like 2ch, MachiBBS, BBSPINK and new one.
>>34 You do not need to mind it. I think you had better post here what I tell volunteers to do. It is the same as the closed board, that you direct LOVE by an email.
>>40 I am very sorry about it. I should edit the name of person who was responsible before uploading. We did not have any guideline to follow. We could not stop operating the bbs system, and we needed something to follow as our rules. We decided to follow the 2ch Guideline, and started a copy from 2ch Guideline. We are middle of editing now. We do finish our work as soon as possible. Please wait for a while. Again, I am very very sorry to make a mistake not to edit your name before uploading.
We had the guideline that we examined and revised little by little. If we used it, the mistake like this would not happen. Therefore I think it is wrong that "We did not have any guideline to follow". Why did we have to abandon the guideline? Why did we have to copy from 2ch Guideline?
>>BBSPINk volunteers need to read the guidelines. I am the one that told them to start with the 2ch guidelines and modify them. That will create a new document over time. If I could read Japanese past a baby level. I would have seen your name, but I can not.
SO let's make our good guideline based on 2h guide line. 2ch guideline is working very well. and I know it's based on so many people's experiences. and lots of people's effort.
I am going to go back there.
I deeply appologies my escaping. Completely my fault.
I said "step by step" before. However, you caused the drastic change. Therefore, I declined volunteer. I am sorry that Jim-san and LOVE-san did not take any user's opinion. BBSPINK is very confused now.
I say again. Please announce your thinking from Jim-san directly. BBSPINK user want to know Jim-san's thinking.
>>58 If two persons' opinion is in harmony, it will not worry about to which priority is given. To which opinion should priority be given when two persons' opinion conflicts?
>>57>>60 (In English) Because 79 understands an administration method of a bulletin board, I want a voice of 79 to take first priority. If jim can choose an opinion good for a user, I am the best.
(In Japanese) 79さんの方が掲示板の運営方法を理解しているので、79さんの声を優先して欲しいですね。 jimさんがユーザーのためになる意見を選べればベストですが。
>>59 (In Japanese) ソースを持って来ないで戻りたての79さんに答えを求めるのは酷かと。
>>59 I understand. it's ok to say '' i want to quit ''. but I also can just feel and understand that Yume really likes bbspink. that's why he is still coming here and trying to communicate with Jim and LOVE.
this is just my understanding.
and my personally I still want to work with you, I mean everybody who loves bbspink. actually at that time, LOVE asked me advice. and I didn't tell her anything. my fault.
>>60 It won't, never happen. becaus I trust LOVE very much, and hope she does, and I think she trusts me also.
I promised with her that I was going to help her, and I didn't. just escaped. BUT, she didn't abuse or blame at all, even I was escaping from everything, I really want to say thank LOVE.
I understand that you guys are under trus-bond. and I do not think it will happen either. but I still want to know '' what if it happens''?
please pick one.
1/Follow Jim's saying '' follow XXXX'' 2/Follow .◆79EROOYuCc's saying '' follow LOVE'' 3/Follow LOVE's saying ''follow .◆79EROOYuCc'' 4/any other answers which we can understand what to do obviously.
we are so easily to be scared. and when we asked Mr.Jim '' what if Japanese volunteers might be suied''? your answer is always '' it won't happen'' but what we need is the clear answer about ''what should we do what if it happens?''
Please forgive my impolite remark. You don't understand a current status correctly. You should take advice from an experienced person. Necessary for current BBSPINK is adviser who has the experience and knowledge.
Dear LOVE Thank you so far. Because reliable 79 was come back through, will you take a rest for a while? Or I want you to support 79.
I want you to study while you take a rest for a while. 1. Various structure and administration methods of a bulletin board. 2. About the better leadership.
The future is still long. Please get ready now to help future PINKBBS.
Definitely, I know you can't read Japanese. The subject I would like to say is different. "Do you think that BBSPINK volunteers don't need to read Guide Lines? "
If you don't answer my question, that's OK. It's your site and your staff. You are not obligated to do anything for anyone.
As a friend, I just want you to understand what I feel and how I am disappointed at this site.
>>139-140 Shut your mouth! Jim should answer. It is not you.
>Jim-san Hiroyuki said mean. 1)The trial occurs in Japan. 2)Do you come to Japan to receive the trial? *Important point The trial occurs in Japan. If you do not come to Japan... The volunteer will be called in the trial. Hiroyuki thinks it to be sad.
>>169 Let me explain. I have help from 79 and love. 79 is my secretary. She helps me with paperwork and Japanese translation. Many times she is reading to me and I am answering her and she is posting my words with her name. Love is the deletion leader.
<In English> Perhaps I think they want your upright attitude, not answer. But now situation can't resolve. I think that you should take the constructive opinion more. >Jim-san
IZUMI. Can you be more straight in your questions? What exactly are you getting at. Please apply for Japanese deputy with the Sherrif office. We are just an erotic board, and having fun here. Please have fun.
It is you that is really bad more bad! It is you that is more really stupid!! Because there is you, all is wrecked!!! If there is not even you, the agenda is already unified.
イ尓好 Big Dicky Jim. Are you shure, Your answer to hitoyuki is.
>>126 名前： ひろゆき ★ Definitely, I know you can't read Japanese. The subject I would like to say is different. "Do you think that BBSPINK volunteers don't need to read Guide Lines? " If you don't answer my question, that's OK. It's your site and your staff. You are not obligated to do anything for anyone. As a friend, I just want you to understand what I feel and how I am disappointed at this site
as a friend you should not speak so cryptically. If you intend to make another board. I can not stop that. This is all following a schedule you made. I am availble to contact. you have my telephone number. you have my icq and I do sleep.
Yo Jim. You think that, 79 & Love is your side right? Hiroyuki is should be more your side, right? That partner ask you,
"You don't consider Japanese law, Is that correct? " "Do you think that BBSPINK volunteers don't need to read Guide Lines?" Those are same means. Your answer should be
"Yes, I don't consider Japanese law" or "No, I will observe the law of Japan" right? But Your answer is
"Japanese law is considered out of respect for Japan." "Yes I think that the volunteers should read the guidelines. " This is not answer. It will be impolite to the friend. Just done or will promise is completely different.
>>216 sorry I refreshed the page and see your questions. I need more direct questions. The leader followed what I asked, and she made a mistake. Honest mistake, not on purpose.
>>216 Your questions sounded more rhetorical to me. It is mistake for me to think that way. If I did not understand them, then I am thinking it is like a riddle.
>>218 on >>202, you said "you should not speak so cryptically."
I would like to know which my massages make you think so.
>>219 Do you know how many times your leader made mistakes? If BBSPINK is part of 2ch world, I can not accept a volunteer who don't respect volunteers and users.
>>220 Please ask him, Did he really read the guidelines? If he says "yes", his Japanese isn't good enough to be a leader on 2ch world.
>>42 is this you? I was thinking it was not you because no Star in the name, and it did not sound like something my friend would say. Love is a good kind decent person, No experience with deleting just like me.
>>230 Yes, like I want to be a rock and roll star, but it will never happen. I have gotten used to your being on time...;) Maybe you are right about LOVE but Love was there when I had emergency situation. Everyone was attacking me and said we needed Japanese leader. LOVE helped so much and so hard then. Maybe Love made to many mistakes, but Love's heart was real. Maybe we can find a better leader, and that Love can help and be a big part of what we do. I want this to be a happy place, where I can watch the ascii art and relax and know that people are safe.
As you say LOVE* is good for you. But not good for BBSPINK. I think He knows you much. So he can do what you need. He doesn't know BBSPINK much. So he can't do what BBSPINK need.
>>234 I hope so. We have all been freaking out lately, and I think all of us want this to be a happy place. Leaders are made not born. Very seldom is a real leader born with the charisma that you have. Until then I will make sure that I post my thinking directly. Translations make things difficult and sometimes confusing. I am scratching my head when I read thing through the translator sometimes. What does a fish have to do with a server? hehehe Your english is clear to me. I hope that I can make my thinking clear to the users. Maybe Love should move to training status, and I should look for a a new leader. I sure do not want to hurt Loves feelings about that though.
>>239 No I don't want LOVE to be hurt again. I wish people would not attack LOVE, but you are right they will again and again, until I find the leader that they want. I am hoping that LOVE will still participate and help, but if LOVE is attacked LOVE will have to accept that risk. I know that this is only 00000 and 11111 on a server somewhere, but being attacked here feels really real.
>>242 Do you really think I am gentle? I try to be a gentleman, but don't be confused by being a gentleman and being gentle. I am understanding what Hiroyuki is saying. I hope that we can make this a happy place again.
>>246 Actually what Amelicans are famous for is being ugly in action and deed. Like this. It is a picture of a real ugly Amelican http://jimisbad.com/2ofmygirls.jpg
It is clear that we need to find a more experienced leader. LOVE* has done his very best, but it is not enough. I can't be the leader because i don't understand the subtleness in the language. Deletion needs to continue, even with our current messed up deletion guideline system, because I don't want people attacked at their phone numbers and emails etc. So lets continue with the current setup while we look for a leader with more experience.
Get better Mr Big Dick, right? I know how men getting crazy for girls. This is just men. I'm just men too. I love euro girls. We are dicky. Please makes Hot plase, But To legality.
I know that you are a very tender person. However, you will injure other volunteers as much as you are nice to LOVE*. You take LOVE* and do leave other volunteers?
You said in 231. "but Love was there when I had emergency situation. Everyone was attacking me and said we needed Japanese leader. LOVE helped so much and so hard then."
But, it is‥‥‥.
Did not Love-san flatter you? Love-san always apple-polishing the Jim. Would not Love-san always flatter Jim-san?
>>268 I use Systrans translator and babelfish. If you can read both english and Japanese. You will see why I have a hard time sometimes. It is very funny but makes no sense. Usally bbspink writing crashes my systrans. To much slang so I am stuck with babelfish.
I am sorry by automatic English translation to Jim
Does a pink channel prohibit an entrance under 18 years old? There is the note which violated it, but will not delete it to a guideline decision obviously? A deletion request is given for the time being.
Because a junior high school boy wants to have sex with mother, I talk about note content. It might be a joke, but tried to ask you a question because I was interested.
Jim-san. . Because I am weak in English, it is an automatic translation. I'm sorry.
As for the pink channel, are under 18 years old put under ban? I discovered the note which violated it clearly. However, do not you delete it till a guideline is completely decided?
I already gave a deletion request about it.
The note contents are these. Because a junior high school boy wants to have sex with mother, I talk. It may be a joke. However, because I was interested, I tried to ask you a question.
I think that the restrictions are more important than the deletions for communications.
◆Reffiz2Zh is a restriction volunteer. He is Leader of restriction volunteers in 2ch. The authority of his restriction is larger than the authority of Hiroyuki-san. The restriction of BBSPINK is shared with the restriction of 2ch.
The protest against ISP is done by restriction volunteers. They have knowhow. And, They have mutual trust with ISP.
He will cooperate as follows if Jim-san permit. * Permission to negotiate with ISP with BBSPINK * Permission of deregulation. * Jim-san's mail address for Cc when mail is sent to ISP.
I think that Jim-san should give all of the right concerning the access limitation to him. If his cooperation can be received, we will be able to help the user more.
>>79EROOYuCc氏 Please suggest to master. I think almost volunteers have same idea. --- It's so hard about LOVE-san to be the leader of deleter.
The leader must do an accurate judgement to various agenda items. If the deletion activity starts, being real, the role which the leader takes is huge. Even if the character in the offline is perfect Even if the one is liked by all persons The one doesn't always have the ability to unify. I have no objection,Finally LOVE-san to become a leader. But it's impossible in the present situation. I think. Even if master trust the one..... At first LOVE-san getin' deleter. no leader. at first.
It is master's work, to appoint leader. I think that it's necessary to be a leader who has experience of deleter. If a perfect judgement is made, it's not the limit. Currently, here is a person who can not decide a deletion judgement perfectly in the top of the system. It is not desirably. We will do under Master's control. We follow the decision of the Master. Please do the best judgement with thinking of the reason why a lot of volunteers left, especialy stager.......
This is my opinion readin' to here.
Please permit my saucy. I love PINK-ch. We hope gettin' better about ALL!!!
>>298 It makes sense, but it is not socially acceptable in the US. I was always so scared of my mother. Even if she offered such a thing. I would probably never have been able to get it up. Scary just to think about it...;)
>>299 Yes. Mr. Love* is an excellent person, but can not be the leader of the deletion. Mr. Love* has agreed to stay on and be a volunteer and help, but not as leader. The new leader is 79EROOYuCc 79-san has much more experience with bbspink and I have confidence that 79EROOYuCc will ask me when there is a difficult situation.
MASTER :JIM-SAN LEADER :79EROOYuCc-SAN VOLUNTEER :LOVE-SAN & so on
ALL-RIGHT? ---fin.
---suggestion Can you appoint LOVE-SAN your formal interpreter in PINK-channnel? Because here is lots of volunteers who are troubled about English. If U can.we want that Ya declare. (But LOVE-SAN translate with request only the words of the person who can't write in English) We r glad if here is a such system. Rather, because JIM-SAN is not Japanese, PINK-ch should has this system. ---fin.
>>303 Thank you for your suggestion. Although I appreciate your considering for me, I do not want to do that kinds of work. If Jim-san really wants me to do it, I may think about it. But actually, I really do not like it. I am sorry about it.
Lets test it on >>302 This is from Babelfish: It is harsh for 299 harmonies LOVE to become the leader of the deletion person, is. The leader must judge precisely in various matter. Actually if deletion activity starts, role of the leader is enormous ones. Even if, character of off being perfect, even if good he having grown hoarse in all people, it is not the case that it has the ability to lead. There is no objection in LOVE becoming finally the leader. So, you think that under present conditions it is impossible. Even if, master having trusted that person...... first... not to be the leader in the deletion person... first... The fact that the leader is appointed is master. You think that it is necessary for the person who has the experience of the deletion person to become the leader. If the person who can do perfect judgement, it is not the limit. Presently, it meaning that the person where it cannot designate perfect deletion judgement as apex of the system is, it does. It is desirable thing. It moves in the indication of master. You follow decision. Thinking of the reason which how the volunteer goes away hard, please do best judgement. Especially experience person... It is my opinion which was read to here. Permitting conceit, don't you think?. ぁ. Don't you think? PINK るダイスキ. Way everything becomes good, the ♪
>>307 and back to Japanese from Babelfish: それは299 のハーモニーのために粗い削除人のリーダーに似合うことを愛するある。リーダーは様々な問題で正確に判断しなければならない。実際に削除の活動が始まれば、リーダーの役割は巨大な物である。導く機能を有すること、均一な完全があることを離れたの特性よいhoarse 育っていたら彼がすべての人々、それで事実でなければ。リーダーに最終的に似合う愛に異議がない。現在の条件の下でそれが不可能であるとそう、考える。、削除人のリーダーがでないためにその人を...... 最初に信頼するマスター...... 最初に... リーダーが任命されるという事実はマスターである。それがリーダーになる削除人の経験がある人に必要であると考える。完全な判断をすることができる人それが限界でなければ。システムの頂点があると同時に完全な削除の判断を示すことができない人、それがこと現在、それ意味。それは好ましい事である。それはマスターの徴候で動く。決定に続く。ボランティアが離れている堅いいかに行くか、最もよい判断をする理由について考えること。特に経験人は... ここにに読まれたのは私の意見である。割り当てるconceit 、か。考えない。か。考えないか。ピンクの?????. は方法はすべてよく、なるか。
79EROOYuCc ★ , Deletion should not be stopped. There are some bugs still and we are working on fixing them. Hopefully by end of tonight, but bugs are minor and deletion should not stop because of that.
I appologize. I should have asked you first. next time, I won't do that again.
文章が翻訳される回数を考慮してテストした結果です。 This is the result which the sentences tested by considering the translated several times. ----- 1My word inEng. 2My word inJp. with colloquial 3Babelfish trans. 2 ->Eng. 4Babelfish trans. 3 ->Jp. 5thinking... -----
1Babelfish can not do a colloquial translation successfully. 2Babelfishは口語訳がダメですね。 3Don't you think? Babelfish spoken language meaning is useless. 4考えないか。Babelfish によって話されている言語意味は無用である。 5ぐへぇ〜。これは通じないよ。
1As for this, every translater will have same problem. 2これについてはどの翻訳機も同じ問題を抱えています。 3Every translator has held the same problem concerning this. 4あらゆる訳者はこれに関する同じ問題を保持した。 5３は私の言葉よりも何か良い感じです。
1It isn't possible to translate a slang and an idiom completely. 2スラングや慣用句がうまく訳せません。 3You cannot translate the slang and usual phrase well. 4俗語および通常句をよく翻訳することができない。 5主語が変わってるけどｗ結果として訳せたｗ
1Japanese has more kinds of spoken lang. than the other language. 2日本語の口語には他の言語よりも多くの種類があります。 3There are many types than other language in the Japanese spoken language. 4日本語の話されていた言語の他の言語より多くのタイプがある 5話されている言語が口語と理解できれば完璧ですね。
1In the opposite case, probably, they will not be possible to understand even if US citizen says to the Japanese that "They are RED-NECK". 2逆の場合でいうと、おそらく、米国市民が日本人にRED-NECKと言っても理解できないでしょう。 3When you refer to when it is opposite, perhaps, the American citizen calling to the Japanese RED-NECK, you cannot understand, probably is. 4それがの反対に、多分、日本のRED-NECK に呼んでいるアメリカの市民のときを参照するときおそらくある理解することができない。 5無茶苦茶です。
>>322 Sounds cumbersome and complicated. I am a red neck, regular trailer park trash, but I am happy to try to learn Japanese. Maybe Japanese has the most forms, but I am guessing it is more rigid in its meaning than English. English can mean many things other than what is actually said. Maybe they need a red neck Japanese translator. Something for the drunk as a skunk user.
Sir, sorry, I have annouced that I told them that I was going to ask you a kind of '' adjenda ''.
and I didn't tell you about that, and I asked you to make that in face to face only.
we have to make those conversations open, because people can not understand what is going on. i'll well, probably, wake up earlier than you., and I'll go to bed late at night today. I am sorry.
>>324 Well, I don't really have an agenda, but I do have some tenets that might be useful.
Tenets
1. If we can imagine it, then it is possible to do it. 2. There is no temporary problem worth the cost of a permanent solution. 3. Lifes to short to waste time being unhappy.
I will contribute my Japanese english translation. These are all you need to talk with someone in a bar. Maybe it can be the first step towards a useful Japanese english translator.
Are ya kore ya to suru koto ga okotte tsukareru. What with this and that, there are so many things to do I get tired out. --------------------- Kore de ii? Is this price ok? ----------------------- Honto? Shinjiraremasen. Really? I can`t believe it. ---------------------- Etto, doko made itta kke? Now where was I? ---------------------- Domo wazawaza sumimasen. Thank you for taking the trouble. ---------------------- Ai to iu mono wa, fu-shigi na mono desu. Love is a mysterious thing. ----------------------- So Chira wa? Biru? How about you? Beer? ------------------------ To iu yori wa. Dochira ka to ieba osake no bo ga ii n`da kedo. No, rather than beer. I actually prefer sake if I have a choice. -------------------------- Ano hito, ima goro, nani shiteru kana? I wonder what he is doing now? -------------------------- Gomennasai. Nebo shichatta. Sorry! I overslept. --------------------------- Kono mondai do shite mo tokenai n`desu. Do yareba ii ka oshiete kudasai. I can`t solve this problem, no matter how hard I try. Please tell me how to do it. ------------------------------ Mo do ni mo naranai. We can`t do anything about it now. ------------------------------- matsu shika nai Only need to wait -------------------------------- coffee motte kimasu coffee break
ichi jikan kurai about an hour. 30 pun kurai about 30 minutes ------------------------------ Yasumu hima mo nai kurai isogashii. I`m so busy I don` have time to take a rest. =------------------------------ Keiko wa itsumo isogashigatte iru. Keiko is always running around. --------------------------------- Ochitsukkinasia. Sonna ni osawagi suru hodo no koto ja nai desho. Calm down. Its not worth getting worked up about. ----------------------------------- Dou itashi mashite No sweat. ------------------------------------ watashi mo toile ni ikitai I have to go to the restroom. -------------------------------- gam batte ne Please do your best --------------------------------- hai wakari mashita oic ------------------------------------- ana ta wa ii hito desu you are a good guy -------------------------------------- daijoubu ok ------------------------------- subetega syumi to seikatu desu. All is hobby and life. ----------------------------------------- soro soro We shall go soon/Lets go. bochi bochi lets go -------------------------------- jya-atode see you then. -------------------------------------- So-nano? Is that so? ------------------------------------ mata atta-ne (talking to girl ne Nice to see you again. ------------------------------------ do-shita? What`s happening? ---------------------------------- do-shiteta? How have you been doing? -------------------------------- nande? Why? -------------------------------- Nani? What? -------------------------------- How come? do-shite? -------------------------------- Are you serious? Honki? ------------------------------ Zettai? Are you sure? ---------------------------- Honto-ni sono-tori! Definitely! ---------------------------- tabun-na. Maybe. ---------------------------- Wakaru-wake nai-yo. There`s no way of knowing. --------------------------- Uso-bakkari! You`re kidding me! -------------------------- Uso-mitai! This is too good to be true! ---------------------------- Wakatta. All right, I understand. --------------------------- Hajime-yo Let`s begin! -------------------------- Owatta. I finished. ---------------------------- Owatta? Finished? --------------------------- Issho-ni nomanai? Shall we drink together? --------------------------- kimi-no-koto motto shiritai. I want to know more about you. -------------------------- Kimi-ni aitai. I want to see you. -------------------------- So-dato ii-ne. I hope so. ------------------------- Yabai! It`s risky! ------------------------ Shibui Cool ------------------------- Sugoi. Awesome. ----------------------- shigoto siteta I am working on my job. ------------------------- gomen na sai I am sorry ------------------------ totemo mabushii. Today is a beautiful day. ------------------------- okaeri nasai welcome back -------------------------- hai, soudesu sure, I think so --------------------------- Sugu ni modori masu I have to go to the restroom ------------------------- akemashite omedetou gozaimasu. Happy new year. --------------------------- dou shite ii ka wakara nai or dou shite ii ka wakari masen There is no way of knowing (politely) -------------------------- tanoshimi desu great enjoyment -------------------------- coffee motte kimasu coffee break. ----------------------------- Oyasumi nasai Good night. ------------------------------- otsukare sama similar to good job, see you tomorrow. ----------------------------- onegai shimasu please do something for me ~~~ reply is: hai wakkata ------------------------------- yopparai drunkard --------------------------------- zenbu owatta everything is finished. =-------------------------------- zenbu everything/all
atsui=hot atatakai=warm attakai=warm --------------------------------- sukoshi matte kudasai a little while please wait -------------------------------- si = shi ti = chi fu = hu --------------------------------- omedeto- congratulations ---------------------------------- ima mimasu , chotto matte I will look at it now ima=now mimasu=I will look ---------------------------------- mite mitai want to see ---------------------------------- ima yarimasu I will do it now --------------------------------- mou sugu nemasu I will go to bed soon -------------------------------- zen zen wakaranai I don`t understand at all. -------------------------------- kanpeki desu= perfect -------------------------------- o daiji ni please take care of your health ------------------------------- kinou tennis wo shimashita. I played tennis -------------------------------- matsu shika nai. only need to wait. -------------------------------- yoroshiku take care, leave (use as a reply for ima mimasu) ----------------------------- makasete kudasai. count on me to do it. __________________________ yokatta It was good it is good =sore wa ii it was good = sore wa yokatta ------------------------------- totemo very ------------------------------- kochira here sochira there dokodemo everywhere ------------------------------- watashi no nihongo wo sukoshi matte kudasai please wait a little while I will speak Japanese wo=for no=of ------------------------------ arashi = the one who ruins something ---------------------------------------- okutta (sent it) ------------------------------------ subarashii Wonderful -------------------------------------- mo-sugu soon ------------------------------------- mata raishuu. raishuu = next week --------------------------------------- There is nothing we can do about it. shikata ga nai. --------------------------------- itte rasshai = please go. Use like mata atode ----------------------------------------- birthday totemo tanoshi katta desu ka? did you enjoy your birthday?
no. Japanese verb changes. wakaru , wakara nai , wakari masu, wakare , wakatta ..... iku, ika nai, iki masu, ike , itta ...... ______________________________________ teinei=formal _______________________________________ thank you again do-mo arigato gozai mashita -------------------------------------- proper way to say good night mata ashita ohanashi shimashou. ---------------------------------------- Me too watashi mo desu. ________________________________________ omedetou = congratulation ! ---------------------------------------- kaze o hikimashita = caught a cold ---------------------------------------- early bird catches the worm = hayaoki wa 3 mon no toku
>>327 hehehehehe and back with babelfish. 1. If you can imagine is, that means possible thing, probably will be. 2. There is a cost which is spent for the permanent solution, temporary problem does not exist. 3. Life to spend to the time when it is unhappy, is too short even excessively. Already, when you can translate a little skillfully, it is to call is, but
>>332 hai so desu, watashi wa nihonjin desu I actually used that line in Hawaii. There was a Japanese tour, and they got to go first in line. the other line was so long so I said that.
are you kidding. I am stupid, that is all I have picked up from working with Japanese people for 10 years. I am not mad. My real problem is I learn a little Japanese, then all the people I know want to learn english, so we work on the english first, then I never learn Japanese. I have taught a lot of people my poor english though....;)
Time to sleep. Two bottles of 7/11 best screwtop wine, and now I am sleepy. Good night friends. Wish my friend Bert Lancaster would stop by this board.
Why is it that a function of Regulation argument board in 2 channel transfers to a PINK deletion request board in bbspink.com?
To tell the truth,I who was a resident of a board with 2 channel have been bothered by the heartless person who damages a boardfor a long time. But ,thanks to bbspink, his log was exposed, and It was in a situation that we could almost bring him into regulation.
>>> An old Indian chief, Bald Eagle, sat in his tent >>> on the reservation, smoking a ceremonial pipe and >>> eyeing two U.S. government officials sent to >>> interview him. "Chief Bald Eagle" asked one >>> official, "You have observed the white man for 90 >>> years. You've seen his wars and his technological >>> advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage >>> he's done." >>> >>> The Chief Bald Eagle nodded in agreement. >>> >>> The official continued, "Considering all these >>> events, in your opinion, where did the white man go >>> wrong?" >>> >>> The Chief stared at the government officials for >>> over a minute and then calmly replied. >>> >>> "When white man found the land, Indians were >>> running it. >>> No taxes, No debt, Plenty buffalo, Plenty beaver, >>> Women did all the work, Medicine man free, Indian >>> man spent all day hunting and fishing, All night >>> having sex. >>> >>> Then the chief leaned back and smiled... >>> "Only white men dumb enough to think he could >>> improve system like that".
The fact is I can not improve the bbspink system alone. Just like The Indian didn't think that the government official could improve what the indians had before the conquerers from Europe came. The only we can make bbspink better is if we all work together to do it. We are not taking the middle ground anywhere. We are taking the high ground on a few issues, and doing the right thing.
It is a big advance that Defamation for girls in sex industry is regulated in bbspink. there use to be a lot of complaint by people who is working in those kinds of sex shops. but they were not deleted
Jim-san, I can want to confirm it about a Guideline
GL3 The fixed Handle attackings
<The fixed attackings define the forbidden clause and they became to the objects of deleting.> It becomes it. How does jim-san think? In 2ch There is a board for exclusive use of a fixed attack of SAIAKU It let you blow off dissatisfaction, and there is a role with the avoidance of collapse…
>>366 A SAIAKU board is a board with which the abuse of a specific handle is not deleted. It does not forbid saying abuse but there is an intention which limits the place which says abuse. I think that it is a method effective in restricting while protecting a free expression.
"It is prohibition of smoking here." but "smoking being here"
>>369 This is interesting to me. Is it deleted after? Honestly, sometimes I have really mean things I want to say, but I don't say. I hold them inside because I know that words can be the biggest weapon and hurt so badly, Other people probably feel the same way. If they are like me, after the bad things are said, they might not even remember why they are mad. Then they might want to delete that.
"post which the person himself/herself performed" is not deleted in 2ch. "Responsibility of the person himself/herself" is a reason. They will study "after considering carefully, it post(s)."
>>373 I don't know this board on 2ch can you show it to me? It sounds interesting and exciting to read. I can increase my important Japanese vocabulary...;)
● The SAIAKU is the chat board which made "a fixed steering wheel duster of 2ch" and "the worst" a theme.
● It is prohibition to write in information to fall below under. In addition, it is prohibition to demand these information. - Personal information（All such as a personal name / position organization name / an address / a phone number or a copy） - Malicious information - Private information - Contents of OFF society - URL of the site that an individual except 2ch administers
● A thread falling under the following items is put under ban - There is it for the purpose of telling that I do not understand contents of OFF society from the third person - The fixed steering wheel (in 2ch) duster that grounds to criticize to >> 1 of a thread are not specified - Is important by the collusion / self-introduction; is aimed - Is important by observation / a review (a net watch) of a personal site; is aimed - A thread about a company
● I damage it regardless of the 2ch inside and outside, and a request is prohibition.
>>382 I like it, it is exciting and a little big lawless, but under some control. Do we really need to replace it? Why don't we just use the one on 2ch.net
Duplication of effort, is usually a waste of time, and rarely<-(hard to pronounce?) useful. You just end up with something that is not as good as the original. Time and effort is wasted in the duplication process, and you end up with Neke instead of Nike. Please tell me more of your idea. Something similar but different might be good.
An SAIAKU board is the board which is not deleted even if I make a remark beating "a person giving a fixed name". Even slander slander is not deleted. An act to beat "a person giving a fixed name" is prohibited with other boards. Because the reason is because a story can become rash from an objective topic of a thread by beating "a person giving a fixed name".
An SAIAKU board is one of the boards for isolation. A user must not beat "a person giving a fixed name" with other boards because there is not an SAIAKU board. In reality, there is a person to beat with other boards even if there is an SAIAKU board.
"SAIAKU" board is a board that treats only a fixed handle name of 2ch. We cannot use "SAIAKU" board, because the PINK channel became a site different from 2ch.
There is an SAIAKU board of 2ch for a user of 2ch. （2chの最悪板は2chのユーザーの為にあります。）
●固定ハンドル＝こていはんはんどる＝KOTEI-HANDORU meaning（意味）: pen name which a bulletin board user uses. （掲示板ユーザーが使用するペンネーム。）
●固定叩き＝こていたたき＝KOTEI-TATAKI meaning（意味）: An action to attack KOTEI-HANDORU. （固定ハンドルを攻撃する行動。） attack is Character criticism , harassment , hunting . （攻撃とは、批評性格、嫌がらせ、狩り。）
KOTEI-TATAKI interferes with conversation. （固定叩きは、会話の邪魔をします。）
●最悪板＝さいあくいた＝SAIAKU-board meaning（意味）: Isolation place of KOTEI-TATAKI. （KOTEI-TATAKIの隔離所。）
If Mr. Hiroyuki says, "Do not deliver a KOTEI handle attack of BBSPINK by 2ch", it may be necessary to prepare by BBSPINK. Mr. Hiroyuki had said before. "eroticism is BBSPINK." Please listen to Mr. Hiroyuki's intention.
There is a role of an isolation place of a quarrel between users to the SAIAKU-board. Even if it succeeded in isolation, it does not change that there is a user attacking a person.
If somebody does not continue keeping order, the SAIAKU-board becomes a lawless area. Because malice leads people to chaos.
Revelation of the secret information that the third person cannot confirm. A breach of privacy. Induction of a crime, an illegal act, a full name, a phone number, an address. These excessive attack might cause a serious trouble.
Deleter and Administrator must cooperate with a user not to become the worst situation. A boundary line and rules and a lot of gentleness are necessary to control KOTEI-TATAKI.
Does PINKBBS have 2ch manage a trouble of a PINKBBS users?
WOW, did I open a can of worms or what. Who asked the question about this board? Thank you for your input everyone. I think that 2ch has the worst board for a reason. For a place for fighting. It is a serious thing, and I am listening to all of you.
Let me ask more questions if you don't mind.
>>408 Deleter and Administrator must cooperate with a user not to become the worst situation. A boundary line and rules and a lot of gentleness are necessary to control KOTEI-TATAKI. This is a code like chivalry?
Does PINKBBS have 2ch manage a trouble of a PINKBBS users? How to tell who is who? I think that if a bbspink user is posting on 2ch that they are a 2ch user. If a 2ch user is posting on bbspink then they are a bbspink user.
This board was made originally by someone, that person had a reason for making it. If we duplicate 2ch board, I don't think it is a good idea.
If we make a similar board. How would our board be different? Needs to be different for a reason to make it. >>406 Thank you for the glossary. >>404 Where is the smoking area Yume? Thank you for the great word picture.
All places = 2ch's all board (excluding "SAIAKU" board) the place where it is permitted. = "SAIAKU" board
>>401 "SAIAKU" board is a board that treats only a fixed handle name of 2ch. We cannot use "SAIAKU" board, because the PINK channel became a site different from 2ch.
If we can't use it, then we need our own. We will have to make our own rules for this boxing ring. Are you guys prepared to do that?
>>402 That is not our concern. I am sure the 2ch deleters are having some conversation about that. We have to trust them to take care of their own site. We can not be responsible for things outside of our control. We can only take care of things inside our servers.
This is getting to long. I will read more and talk later.
We are troubled. :) We want to translate Hiroyuki's wise remark into English about using bulletin board. Which do you think to be good in the following sentence?:
a) It is difficult to use a bulletin board unless you can see through a lie.
b) It is difficult to use a bulletin board for a person who cannot see through a lie.
c) The person who cannot distinguish a lie when it is a lie, it is difficult for him/her to use BBS.
d) To distinguish truths from lies is important to use BBS. There are lots of lies and truths here.
e) To distinguish truths from lies is important to use BBS. Our world has lots of lies and truths.
f) It's very important that to distinguish truths from lies, when you use BBS.
How does Mr. Jim consider reuse of "the post performed to BBSPINK"? It is published by other sites in reproduction, quotation, a summary, etc., It is about the act which utilizes "the post performed to BBSPINK" and acquires a price. Hiroyuki-san It is declared in the bottom of http://www.2ch.net/ >leaves use of 2ch to judgment of a user. >free in principle about use of the data of 2ch. But please withhold the act which acquires a price using the data of 2ch itself. >That is, the marketing companies which acted as a monitor of the 2ch and have taken money >consult -- when there is nothing, they are things as 、 which may become a troublesome thing.
The word "it" is used 5 times. 5 is the number according to ancient Wiccan sources is connected to the sensual. It is also a number that has been come to stand for service to others.
Bulletin board, or bbs is used 6 times. Six relates to beauty and harmony. In the negative usage it can stand for devotion.
Lie is used 9 times. The number nine is a sacred number, with a clandestine barbaric connotation. This was a hallowed number to the vikings who were extreme barbarians.
Two is a number for the desire of partnership. The word truth is used 2 times.
Hiroyuki seems to be dedicated to the service of others. His support of the Japanese people and their rights has been a bright beacon to the world. The devotion of his to bulletin boards is a harmonious and beautiful thing. Some might think that is is almost a sacred duty that he is fulfilling.
When we can not see which is true or not true, like, '' something which is good but not ture thing '' '' something which is good but not ture thing ''
most people tend to pick '' not true '' one which looks just good to them.
but, if you can pick '' something which is not good but ture thing '' isn't that the correct decision? if you pick '' something which is good but not ture thing '' isn't that the wrong decision?
this is my final advice, please accept '' something which is good but not ture thing '' it is neccesary for you to make a right decision, because you need to lead a lot of people.
sorry, big mistake, just copy and paste problem, so sorry,
Jim-san,
When we can not see which is true or not true, like, '' something which is good for YOU but not ture thing '' '' something which is NOT good for you but true thing ''
most people tend to pick '' not true '' one which looks just good to them.
but, if you can pick '' something which is NOT good for you but true thing '' isn't that the correct decision? if you pick '' something which is good for YOU but not ture thing '' isn't that the wrong decision?
this is my final advice, please accept '' something which is good but not ture thing '' it is neccesary for you to make a right decision, because you need to lead a lot of people.
>>443 How can we find out, which is true, and which is not true, when we don't know which is which? It might be '' something which is good for YOU and ture thing itself ''
I really like this guy. He was a Native american. He and his people had such a sad life, but his words are great.
Brother, we have listened to your talk coming from the father in Washington, and my people have called upon me to reply to you. And in the winds which pass through these aged pines we hear the moaning of their departed ghosts. And if the voices of our people could have been heard, that act would never have been done. But alas, though they stood around, they could neither be seen nor heard. Their tears fell like drops of rain. I hear my voice in the depths of the forest, but no answering voice comes back to me. All is silent around me. My words must therefore be few. I can say no more. He is silent, for he has nothing to answer when the sun goes down.
>>457 Most people tend to judge the things according to if it's available(useful) or not for oneself, not if it's true or not. I think we should do it by whether it's true or not. And who can't judge right shouldn't be a boss of any community.
>>456 I will try to boil it down. Not the words though, just I thought those words are beautiful. So Chief joseph's dad Big Chief Joseph made peace with the first white guys to walk across america. Hare63 (12:41 AM) : and everything was good for a while. Hare63 (12:41 AM) : until they found gold Hare63 (12:41 AM) : let me tell this on the bbs
>>461 So they found gold on the Nez Nez Perc？ reservation in Oregon. and then there was a lot of trouble.
They wanted them to move to some really bad place.
So some of the young guys were angry and went and killed some people.
Then they had quite a war, but really it was not good for the Nez Perc？
So they tried to escape to Canada, but they didn't make it.
So "I will fight no more forever" Comes from Chief Josephs surrender.
Just he wants to go find the bodies of his family and friends, and help the people that are freezing to death. It went something like that.
Hey I got yahoo. I will find the speach.
"I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed. Looking Glass is dead. Toohoolhoolzote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say, "Yes" or "No." He who led the young men [Olikut] is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets. The little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are -- perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever."
in 2ch, anonymous postings are really important. the reason is that;
we can see only his/her opinion without bious of poster's name. even if he/she is a president of US, or emperor in JP they might be corect or might not be correct. we sometimes don't see its opinion, but his/her ''title or name''
when we try to make our place real freedome of speech, it is a big impediment that pollution of those postings which is reponding only by his/her name or title.
if its purpose is to abuse the person himself/herself, that's fine. but most of the boards are for discussion of topics which many people are interested in, and are for exchange their informations.
so SAIAKU board is the place to make other borads better.
SAIAKU board is the place to discuss KOTEI HANDOLU ( the person who has his/her cirtain screen name ). SAIAKU board is the place for people who want to talk about KOREI HANDOLU. SAIAKU board is not the place to talk about exchanging informations, not the place to discuss some topics. people who want to talk about KOTEI HANDOLU itself can go to SAIAKU board.
in Japan, we do not have a kind of custome to talk about something logicaly, so there are lots of people who set his/her own ''assumption''which is not sure that who make it assumption, and there are lots of people who are always talking like '' because he/she ( famous person, usually ) so''
>>487 You guys all know this sounds good and fun to me. I really like the idea of having an appropriate place to fight, fence, or box. However if we make it then we need to make rules for it too. So if we going to do this lets talk about it after the deletion guidelines are done. What do you think?
but the turely new postings which are going to make something new are posted by anonymous, by thousands of anonymous postings.
it is rediculous that you do not learn from those postings.
for ex, people who is against ''res, sig'' don't read the articles which are written by re.sig. they seem to be ideot to me because they just want to try to get rid of copy right.
though affection of CC lisence can not be alive without its huge possession by copy right.
it is ok to against someone. but because he is for res.sig , it is redicurous not to read his/her opinion.
If you do not accept what other people say, and just you are saying what you want to say, that is almost like SPAMing. it's far away from discussion or exchanging informations.
As a user, I hope that you do not think like SPAMer.
>>491 let me make sure. shall we understand that "under 18" means "18 and under 18"? >>498 くどいようですが確認です 英語で "under 18" には18歳は含まれるニュアンスですか？（例えば18歳と1ヶ月とか）
>>436 Yes I found a better expression finally. The drummer from the Moody blues, Graeme Edge wrote a cool poem about a similar thought. Last line "We decide which is right and which is an illusion."
Here is the whole poem.
Late Lament
Breathe deep in the gathering gloom Watch lights fade from every room Bedsitter people look back and lament Another day's useless energy's spent Impassioned lovers wrestle as one Lonely man cries for love and has none New mother picks up and suckles her son Senior citizens wish they were young Cold-hearted orb that rules the night Removes the colors from our sight Red is grey and yellow white And we decide which is right And which is an illusion?
>>541 not exactly poor. Most are poor. The term refers to people that work in the sun, the back of their neck gets red from the sun. Now it is better described like this. red neck = ignorant white
>>538 How to make punch. Punch is a favorite drink of many in Amelica. It is sweet tasty and hides the flavor of alcohol. It is responsible for many births outside of wedlock. Ingredients: 1 package of Kool-Aid 1 bottle of white zinfandel wine 1 liter of 7-up On a hot day, you will love the taste.
>>548 Wow, it is even better reading the translation of the translation by Babelfish. The person who lives in the one room which observes at that the lamp of the window of the room which breathes deeply in the darkness keeps becoming weak sighs looking back, and labor of the following day being used wastefully as for the ardent sweethearts as for the lonely man who interwinds as for the mother who sighs the fact that no one love is to hold the new son, if if the old people who do the milk by his are young, as for the cool attachment where with you ask as for the red which controls the night as for gray yellow white and in us as for correct forcing ones which are understood whether it is what as for fantasy being what?
It is so difficult to make a system deleting information from a beginning. If a system is completed, it is easy to make a tool assisting it. By the way, What is TAMON?
It will take long time to bring up deleters who can have a kind of their affection for their boards.
that remindes me, affection for certain board is similar to patriotism. If it goes to an incorrect way, it would be like a deleter whose name is '' KAGAYAKU ''
>>553 LOVE* started writing a new deletion script, but the masses revolted against her. Sorry about that. It is what we are currently using, but it does not work as well as more sophisticated deletion scripts that have had more time to develop. Would you like to share yours with the Pink Maids?
>>554 Seems like he has an excellent deletion script. I hope he will share with us.
>>555 I have no time for Nationalism. My family is spread across the globe. Friends in many countries, and no interest in the governments of any of those countries. Just in my friends and family where ever they are.
Tamon-kun is single men. Tamon-kun is a civil servant. Tamon-kun like Shochu. Shochu = Japanese alcoholic beverages. Tamon-kun likes prize and stock trading. Tamon-kun is fat. Tamon-kun doesn't have girlfriend. Tamon-kun likes Anal.
Tamon-kun has a clear policy for the deletion on BBS. Itadaki has an advanced program technology. In addition, they have room that enjoys all things. Moreover, they love エロ.
They are competent wonderfully. And, they are pleasant combination.
Tamon-kun is one of the person in charge of the deleter of 2ch. He insists that own deletion rank is "Super D-grade".
When he appeared in 2ch, the people evaluated him as "the deleter that was most crazy as a loon". Hiroyuki gave Tamon-kun the authority of the deletion directly. He imposed neither the test nor training on Tamon-kun.
At first, he caused a lot of problems. For example... He erased only Res though he had to have deleted all threads. He doesn't help with other deleter. He attacked other volunteers. He erased Res that did not have to be erased by mistake. etc, etc... However, Hiroyuki permitted him to do "Wrong deletion".
People called "Method of receiving authority of deletion directly from Hiroyuki" "Tamon-kun route".
Tamon-kun has strong individuality. Therefore, he has a lot of fans and enemies.
I thought that Toru's script had a ''security hole''. did you solve that problem?
if that ''security hole'' is the fact, it's not a good idea to ask Toru-san. and if that ''security hole'' is not the fact, its' not a god thing to ask Toru-san without apologizing.
I think that ''security hole'' which is mentioned by Hiroyuki is that ''man-induced'' problem, telling more specificly, Anal fuck opened Toru's script ,which should have been kept secretly, frivolously.
>>659 I never gave analfuck access to any scripts. The security hole was in password now it is secure with a better password system. I am very sorry if I made Toru angry. The script looks like it can do so many things more than just deletion. It is probably a treasure.
Wow my god!! Now, Tokyo is panic! Today, Godzilla appeared in Shinjuku and has broken nearly all buildings. I am anxious about a parent living in Tokyo. I call many times, but never react.
This is my thought about the deletion script. I think that it is the best way that we use the deletion scripts which were used to be worked or the script which TORU-san wrote. The deletion script that I wrote was only temporally used after we lost any script to delete. My script does not have much functions, yet. It needs much time to develop it. Also, I do not want to write it in spite of that a similar script exists.
However, I am worried that 2ch people get in the bbspink server for setting the script. The reason why is that they may stop our existing script again when some security problems occur in 2ch. If it is possible that they help setting the script up without getting into the server, it will be great. If it is impossible, then I think it is safer to make our deletion system by ourself.
I am very glad if Itadaki-san helps us to make our system. I think Itadaki-san needs to see our deletion system at first. Could you set Itadaki-san's ID and password, Jim-san?
you have a big misunderstanding. the one who changed the name of those scripts and got mad about that it's not working any more is Jim-san, isn't it? cause you have just done misunderstanding.
（言われた意味を取り違えて。 ＝cause you have just done misunderstanding.）
↑訳に自信がないです ( I do not have confidence about this translation )
2ch did not do anything.
and all of those scripts are not as same as before, so it will never happen that any big change going to happen again.
>>691 Lets calm down guys. Script is script. Love wrote a nice temporary script we are using now. Love does not know the details of who can access the server. Love actually did a very nice job of writing a read.cgi and making the directory structure of bbspink in a test environment but Love never had access to live server either. At this time access is severely limited because of the problems we had with ass fuck. There were complaints from staff at 2ch when we used Toru script, that there were problems being caused on 2ch because of it. That is the complete reason we are not using it now. I hope that the whole situation will calm down, so we can have a happy place.
Toru's script doen't have any problem. the problem was the leaking of information that caused by ANALFUCK.
the complaint from 2ch is the caution about ANALFUCK. I think that Jim-san had just got mad and did misunderstanding.
Toru's script has no problem, and if you really want to use 2ch script, it is impossible to know the name of that cgi.
LOVE's worring is just too much. it seems like that she just doesn't know how to manage bbspink, it seems like that she doesn't have respect and thankness to senior associate. it sounds so rude to me.
>>706 I think you are correct. Toru script is no problem just complaints when we used it were big because of AF. Love is just following my direction though. She is not being disrespectful. Just protecting security. We are talking this openly so that people know what is going on. It is discussion not pointing finger time. I think we all want to use Toru script if Toru is ok with that. It is shibui.
>>709 Thank you. I will read that too. Love is not deletion leader now. Love is helping with some scripts. We are all aware of Love's gaffs. Lets not confuse that with Love's sincerity.
KAIOH (= ANAL FUCK) invited FUNDOSHI ( = screen name ) and said shocking words
''there are lots of people who bacame deleting member from KFC (= KAIO FAN CLUB ) others are just XXX and XXX''
''if you are gonna cooperate us, I'll let you know everything about 2ch scripts''
and he lined up all of 2ch scripts.
'' you can not hunging out well with JENNU ( = deletion leader of 2ch), it's ok to let them know just you got your deletion account from ''SD''(=screen name ) ''well, it's ok to let them know just you got your deletion account from Jim, eitherway he doesn't remember''
FUNDOSHI was force to accept, but he felt the qualms of conscience , and could not help confessing everything, and FUNDOSHI retire 2ch deletion volunteer also at the same time.
Hiroyuki sent complaint by email to Jim-san because of that, ''there is a person who is leaking script. It is a security problem. If you can not fix it, I will say bye bye to BSPINK ''
so I have heard about that from Hiroyuki, and went to BBSPINK, and have found that KAIOU (= ANALFUCK ) was telling that volunteers are secure and safe because their privacy will never be opened.
>>712 So not talking directly is the real cause of this. It is important to say what we mean. It is possible to say what we mean and adults should be able to see the meaning.
and Jim received the email from Hiroyuki, '' what? there is a security problem on toru's script? It's bad.'' and he checked all of the name of those scripts, but they had been changed already, and could not found any problems, and got panic.
'' what does that mean? oh, probably that caused because of the script which was made by Toru, we got to change the name of the deletion scripts and pass-word of servers''
# it seems that this situation leads to his posting '' delete me ''
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The big problem happened. KAIO (= ANAL FUCK ) did a kind of self defending act on the boards, FUNDOSHI has gone.
Hiroyuki came, and said '' I have already sent email to Jim, let's wait'' so I was waiting and decided not to touch anything anymore. KAIO (= ANAL FUCK )prouded of his victory.
Jim has changed all of those scripts and could not make them work at all, and no one could delete anything, and send email to Hiroyuki asking him help.
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Hiroyuki has gotten that email, and answered, '' let Toru do'' and I thought ''why?'' and sent to Jim email
↓ Jim's answewr ''your script had a big security hole. I can not fix it, I can not use it, I wish if you were kind and brilliant''
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'' my conclusion ; the real security hole is Jim's brain ''
who did give you advice about that you made that big misunderstanding?
I think that is not only because you did big misunderstanding. didn't anyone give you any incorrect information to you? or automatical translation system is not accurate?
It seems like that I am looking at a kind of ''Chinese whispers'' because of your big misunderstanding.
I knwo that my English is not very good, but I guess that you need to be more carefull about automatical translation system.
even if it can work 24/7, if it gives you 1+1=3 like answer, it means that it doesn't work.
>>690 the one ''2ch people'' means the one who made the original script not work anymore. even if that person is one of the '' 2ch people'', I think it is no problem for that person to have access to bbspink servers.
>>693 I was thinking that I wanted you to see my script, I can not have acces to the servers, either. I am doing my job in the circumstances that is similar to 2ch construction. so if you are ok with that, I think Jim-san will be ok. thanks.,
that is the problem now. when I asked Toru about the script, '' you won't be able to use those script anymore '' that was the only answer. I do not have any more information if they were just renamed or if they were changed,
>>737 Love is not managing bbspink. Love is a volunteer helping on Loves free time. domo wazawaza sumi-masen is the correct thing to say. Also to the other volunteers. I am very happy for your help. It seems like things are getting better.
>>718 the one who made original script not working anymore = the person did that because of Hiroyuki's will. Hiroyuki made it not working in order to protect 2ch and BBSPINK both, because of the leaking of informations which should have been kept in secure.
>>764 We won't use the script unless Hiroyuki and Toru say it is ok. This all may have been a misunderstanding of mine from what Hiroyuki said to me about security problem. I did not realize it was a blabbermouth causing the problems and not a flaw in th script, but now we have to use what we have until the benefactor has given us permission to use the script.
TORU-san's script does not work well now. I do not know why it is not work since I am not get into the server. If these works well, I think it is the best.
it is ok to use 2ch scripts if you do not add any modyfications, if you do not open them in public.
If Jim-san thinks that you can not use them without his permission, why do not you keep contact with Hiroyuki? and why do not ask hiroyuki to use those scripts?
>>814 it has to transmit to another server and that transmission does not work Toru needs to make that work if we use this script. It is not disabled though. probably doesn't work because I changed the server passwords
>>818 no mistake just more secure. This is typical engineer problem. Engineers make things more secure, but then nobody can use them. They are happy because it is secure. Users are unhappy because they can not access. I have learned this from to many engineers. We will find the solution tomorrow.
>>829 come on now, it is not necessary. The explanations have been made. read the backlog. Lets pick on someone else now. I can think of many more eligible candidates to be picked on. Can't you?
Hiroyuki is a admin of 2ch. Hiroyuki and TORU are friends. "ぴんく丼" and "桃色吐息" are friends. "ぴんく丼" and Itadaki and Tamon-kun are friends. >>742 "◆garnetGnNk" is a subordinate of "ぴんく丼". Tamon-kun and TORU are rivals. The lip of Hiroyuki is thick. We call it "Tarako". This is Tarako. http://image.news.livedoor.com/newsimage/c/c/c773dc4f2ce92a4cb5-m.jpg The mustache of Hiroyuki....It extends to very eerie shape.
Jim-san, Is your body safe? I heard that you took a lot of vitamin preparations.
Jim, you must learn how much LOVE has pushed ppl in bbspink away with his stubbornness and impenitence. We've had enough. LOVE, for Gos's sake wont you please please please piss off.
Anal-thresto is a killer shot of "Man who improves the deletion to the region of the art" Tamon-kun, and ultimate secrets that repulse ruining the bulletin board.
>>885 Hiroyuki advised me that Love* did not have the experience to be leader. Now we have an experienced Pink channeler as the leader 79-san This strange conversation we had last night was just spilling our guts over the past. This situation has already been resolved. I guess that some people did not have enough of insulting and cat calls though. Secret base is really a fun place for me.
>>832 it is waisting time for you to get involved in this site. I want you to stop touching it because we feel unconfortable. I guess that you just can not quite because of the real bonding.
think about that again, do not use Toru's script. the problems should be cleared by ourselves, and it is not a good idea to ask external help.
we can not do something very well from the beginning. let's solve problems by ourselves, step by step. the ones who want to give us cooporation are increasing.
Because we are making that by ourselves, we can take responsibility and we can proude of that, I believe,
>>918 that is very true. It is something we could take pride in for doing ourselves. Since we have been cast aside like red headed step children. If we do it ourselves then we can be proud of the accomplishment.
well, I want LOVE to stay here. that's not because of punishment, but;
when you were told,
'' please disable all of volunteer account except for LOVE''
you said,
'' I can not agree with that cancelling. they have responded Jim-san's asking help directly, they understand Jim's words they believe Jim's words and waiting for sitiation's going to be ok under this hard time..
I believe that they are the most tough and strongest and first volunteers who can support bbspink''
LOVE is also included in them. so I do not want you to quit so easily.
but you have a bad point also. you do not listen to us. I think it's better for you to fix this problme.
>>854 translation re-setting and quiting is different.
re-setting is a kind of re-recruitment. if somebody wants to do, he/she will apply.
if you get into trouble because if the blank period, it might be ok to breakup after resistration of new volunteers.
well, it's keeping coming here without doing anything, so I think it had nothing to do with doing something. and it seems like there is no one who can examine applicants.
but whether quiting or not quiting, if somebody posted this kind of things like nearsighted decisions or professorial opinions, without recognizing lots of back ground matters things are gonna get confused like this again.
opinion is just opinion, just like other users. especially LOVE's.
well, I still can not understand why LOVE's saying is such an out of points. if I read her postings without bious, LOVE just looks like usual volunteer who is trying to do his best. in the first place, seems like that Jim-san is ignoring that LOVE is acting by Jim's order.
>>859 This is a kind of esoterica in Southern clique of deliters groups in 2ch. ANAL thread stopper. even how those threads are wrong or bad, this esoterica can make them stop
>>863 translation I have read about 2000 res throughout Jim-san Part1 and 2. but I still can not understand why LOVE-san did make mistake specifically. could you please let me know the detail in 2 lines?
>>863 LOVE was doing her best for bbspink. but she assumed the guy who sould have made him our good partner and was ripped of because of his ignorence of deletion scripts. so harder she did her best, worse the situation was getting. not evilness but harm
there is a stupid king. there were LOVE and ANAL who were given important posts. other retainers were going to deal with many things under those 2, but those 2 guys just forced them to accept their thinkings. ideot king was not able to understand retainers' complaints, though ANAL was leaking confidential matters, LOVE said that ANAL was ok because kind said so.
after that, only LOVE was left. though LOVE didn't understand how to manage bbs, LOVE just orderd too many assignments without thinking himself. at that time, retainers said that it had problems, but he didn't accept that, and he said so because king said so to him.
GL was going to go ahead step by step, but it had been turned over and went back to the begininng.
Systems of the country had been confused. and LOVE was runnning away to a hospital. GL has come to be made up from the beginnnig again, by going back to the situation before LOVE came.
LOVE waisted about a month in an emergency situation of the country, and 2ch volunterrs who have been traind were went away. If that stupid king is stupid and his assistants can help, that's fine. but LOVE had just made big confusion with King. LOVE only can say ''yes'' to King, and left all the decision-making to other ppl, but LOVE didn't accept other guys' opinions. that's why LOVE is disliked by them, I guess.
>>863 KAIO (= ANAL FUCK ) had made trouble, but LOVE was not able to explain that to Jim. LOVE doesn't have enough knowledge to manage bbs, and doesn't listen to what other ppl's saying. LOVE just started things whimsically, and was not able to imagine the result. because of LOVE's actions many experienced ppl and volunteers had been gone.
>>955 that about sums it up. So problem is solved. We could look into what caused the problem if you want, but that is water under the bridge. Pointing fingers at it won't help anything. I am excited to see what Garnet will do. It might be the best thing yet!
ちょろ-san ( = Yakin-san ) has just decided that he is going to go back to 2ch area from housekeeping board about IP blocking system. and u.la thread also.
I have no idea about IP blocking system, I have no idea.
it measn that I am also the one who is abusing LOVE. that's fine.
if I want to say more detail, there are plenty more examples. for example, LOVE insisted that deleters ( MAID ) should write down the reasons of deletion as a training of deletion, though ppl wer against it and they posted the reason why they were against that.
for ppl who are always staying in the boards around deletion. LOVE was trying to do to many bad things which ware just really strange for us to understand, because we have already showed LOVE the demerits.
if LOVE did that, users would get into trouble, so I have asked LOVE too many times. but LOVE didn't stop it till LOVE quited.
I do not think that ignorant is sin.
but if you are ignorant, you need to try to understand what you have to know, and need to listen to their opinions which are given by pple who knows details or experienced.
but LOVE always tried to make decision in his narrow knowlage almost unreasonably, and forced that to ppl. that's why to many ppl are now complaining about LOVE.
I see, I feel like I come to understand the outline. thank ppl who tried to let me know the informations.
and the ones who are beating LOVE wants what, and what do you guys want happens? you need more volunteers who can write scripts except for LOVE? or do you want TORU to come back?
the ones who want to know what LOVE did. you can not understand all of the things what he did. I reccomend you to read other threads which are concerned about managing bbspink.
you will see if a scriptwriter was a leader of deletion. there's no one who is protecting LOVE except Jim, you can see why.
